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The Bigfoot
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Afraid she'd do it better Highway?

I agree no draft period. But if she wants it and can prove ability than gender doesn't matter. She's the one taking the risk of rape or whatever mental hangup has you thinking of her as a woman rather than a person.

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War is hell.
Jessica Lynch can be one example.
I never was in a war and wouldn't wish it on anyone.
...But they're going to happen and I've known many that have.

I served, and in basic training at Ft. Jackson SC, about 25% of our platoon was female.

During just that short time alone I remember a lady in the middle of a hill on a long run... the poor girl couldn't go so I had to carry her weight, and mine, up the rest of that evil hill.

Also saw them Drill sergeants take our phone calls, rec. time. etc. because a female was to meat up with this guy at about 3 a.m., well he brought one of his buddies with him, and yes there was a rape situation.

One good thing about it was when 4th platoon got our mail, we got to go to the women's bay for mail call... used to see a lot of America's fittest coming and going during their showers as their latrine doors opened and closed.

I saw a lot of other things wrong with it really, during the time I served anyway.
Plus, you have their monthly problem...

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
"i know some women that have that fire too, but not many, most of 'em think i'm crazy"

So?

Ain'tcha, after all?

yeah, but the crazy ones think i'm sane [Wink]

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I think those that start the wars shouldfight them, then their wivesand kids....

Obama in Iowa got the young vote, the woman vote and the white vote...

I think he is a strong contender and definitely brings emotion into the election ...He is not my choice because he is a racist and exclusive....He belongs to the First Trinity Church....If a caucasian had same beleifs as he but substituted caucasian for balck, it would be racist...and riots...

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i don't understand why you call him racist or elitist. is there something wrong with the First Trinity Church?

Southern Baptists shouldn't be elitists either but they are (Bill Clinton is one)

i wonder if Hucakabee can read? My friends all tell me that if you learn to read? Then you have to go to the Methodist Church....

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Well, his mom is white...
It'll be nice when get past the race issue one of these days.

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We are past the race issue in alot of segments of american society..he won iowa which was 96 % white turnout....soth maybe diff..

it is not race of obama but his exclsivity that bothers me...

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The Bigfoot, i have nothing against women in combat if that's where they want to be. But i do have a problem if they are jeopardizing other lives by being there.

Getting through training classes at basic and beyond does not really mean that they could handle combat. Again i am talking about the physical part. Each war is different and each job different. I just do not see the average woman carrying 30-50 lbs. packs day in day out if it comes to moving through hard terrain. Some could but many could not and just because their willing does not make them able.

I guess they could take steriods if needed maybe that would help, i doubt it. Why would anyone want to jump into war unless there is a clear cut reason?

I am not sure what doing better in war means?
Coming home in one piece with all your senses the way they were before you left is about as good as anyone can ask for. I do not think there is anything better than that.
Some military people might dissagree with me on that subject.

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if i were a woman?...I'd play it to the hilt! [Smile]

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listen to/watch this interview.

Ron Paul is the real deal. He should be getting more air time... i don't agree with everything he wants to do, but he's not BS'ing.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01042008/watch2.html

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"yeah, but the crazy ones think i'm sane"

Ahhhhhh.....my kinda chick!

"Then you have to go to the Methodist Church...."

No, you don't have to.....don't have to even if you are a good Methodist, particularly if you give generously to the home church. How-some-ever, IF you can read and specially IF you can also write, you MAY go to the Methodist Church. (Ignurant und unedified lesser trash is sent on to the Babdist and Kathalicks.)

I agree that Paul is genuinely what he claims to be. He can't win, but he is good for America anyway.

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quote:
Originally posted by Highwaychild:

Plus, you have their monthly problem...

exactly why they might make better soldiers, get 'em all in sync and have 10,000 pissed off women charging up a hill [Wink]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Highwaychild:

Plus, you have their monthly problem...

exactly why they might make better soldiers, get 'em all in sync and have 10,000 pissed off women charging up a hill ;)
A terrible terrible idea!

Do you want a torture scandal that dwarfs Abu Ghraib and makes it look like innocent fun?

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quote:
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Originally posted by cottonjim:
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Originally posted by Highwaychild:

Plus, you have their monthly problem...

exactly why they might make better soldiers, get 'em all in sync and have 10,000 pissed off women charging up a hill [Wink]
A terrible terrible idea!

Do you want a torture scandal that dwarfs Abu Ghraib and makes it look like innocent fun?

It wasn't?

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No, it wasn't.

It was a creature of a state of mind that should never have been allowed. We failed our young men and women by creating the idea that such activity would and could be praised.

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Bill Clinton Boosts Wife's Bid
Bill Clinton threw himself into the task of spearheading his wife Hillary's presidential campaign recovery effort across New Hampshire today, praising her as a practical political problem-solver who can get things done and borrowing a phrase from Tony Blair to dub her as "the best change maker" in American politics.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/170692.html


change maker? is that like: here's a hundred, and you get back a five and two tens? [Roll Eyes]

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i caught an interview roundtable session on sunday. it was Tim Russert interviewing two professional politcal "advisors" (one retired to hollywood)...

the retired guy said Huckabee hasn't hired ANY media type political advisors...

that explains why he isn't a media favorite, but still won in Iowa...

i have to say i like the guy, but i doubt i'll vote for him...

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I like Huckabee, he appears to be sincere and I like a lot of what he has to say about how our tax system needs to be revamped... he is for the "fair tax" system, in which we would be taxed on what we consume, NOT what we earn...

Ron Paul is my hands down favorite though...

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Obama is my favourite.

Huckabee? An ex-priest, evangelist pscyho as the president? Come on.

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LOL persia, preists are catholic. evangels are protestant. i don't see anything psycho about him.

if you actaully listen to what he has to say? you'll find he's a very down to earth person..

i'm more interested in what they'll do after they get elected than what they say.

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quote:
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Obama is my favourite.

Huckabee? An ex-priest, evangelist pscyho as the president? Come on.

I don't think they call 'em priest in the Baptist Church, but other than that, how does he differ from dubya. He's even preaching that he's a "compassionate conservative", just like the Great Prevaricator did.

I think I'd like most of these wanna-bes sitting along a river bank dangling a line and swappin tales and lies, but I don't need a fishing partner or a drinking buddy or some guy to share rides to work.

Though I love being afield, I would have had a hard time putting up with the bravado of T. Roosevelt or the questionable ties to machine politics that followed H.Truman, but that sure as hell didn't keep them from being brilliant presidents.

On the other hand, the squeeky clean image of Ford didn't stop him from going pardon crazy, thus clearing the images and arrest records of the same bunch crooks that The Great Decider decided to put in place to undermine the Constitution and start a smoke screen war to hide their fascist efforts and a stolen election.

I wonder if we didn't have a bunch better chance of getting qualified party nominees for president in the old smoke filled back room style party conventions before the idea of locking the nomination via primaries came into vogue.

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he differs from BUsh in some very important ways.

his dada wasn't the president that launched the Gulf War (which i support) and his dada didn't lose to Clinton...

he was not born privileged. I would prefer Ron Paul too. I will vote for Ron in my primary.

BUT?

as a second choice for republicans? Hucakabee is the best they have to offer..

Huckabee says he will increase funding to public schools and support more arts programs...

that is not bad at all IMO...

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"Huckabee says he will increase funding to public schools and support more arts programs..."

Yep, dubya did that TOO.

And we get "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" which seems intent on leaving all the children together in order to achieve that goal, so that, with no child advancing, they are all together and none are left behind.

Art? dubya seems to think drilling in Alaska is the only viable art and clearly it must be what he meant in the campaigning days when he said he would support art (or maybe he meant support Art Buckwald by having wife see that school libraries buy more of Art's books).

But maybe you are right and Huckaby is the best the republicans have to offer, leading me to strengthen my consideration that, once upona time we had "a bunch better chance of getting qualified party nominees for president in the old smoke filled back room style party conventions before the idea of locking the nomination via primaries came into vogue."

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But maybe you are right and Huckaby is the best the republicans have to offer,

thats exactly what i'm saying..

i prefer Ron Paul, but the media spends all it's energy trying to make fun of him..
the media was wrong about Hillary too tho...

and they are even trying to make fun of Huckabee, but if you actually watch him speak? he is very compelling and well spoken. he speaks in complete essays.. Dubya can barely read what his speech-writers put in front of him, and when he goes off on his own? he can't even construct a sentence properly, and the only politician i've ever heard with worse word usage than dubya is The Right Reverand Jesse Jackson.

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That's my point though. Huckaby "looks" good and polished, but inside he's a bible thumper, like dubya, who claims to have direct conversations with god, who apparantly told him to invade Iraq, to threaten to invade Iran, to ignore Afghanistan and Katrina and on and on and on...... Thus, extrapolating from there, should that continue, this country is headed for hell.
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inside? i can't see inside him.

i agree that most (99.9%) politicians speak one thing and do another...

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also? as far as i can see? Dubya abused the evangels, he rode them hard and put them away wet.. a few will even admit that...

he only joined up with them cuz he needed the extra 4-5 % of the vote they actually represent...

Rove broke the numbers down perfectly and pulled the rabbit outa the hat.

Huckabee appears to be the genuine article...

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Gov. Huckleberry is what the right is looking for...he will win the nomination. A good conservative with no odd angles like pro-life or Mormonism that has a fresh face and message that seems to be able to reach the whole congregation.

You guys see Ron Paul on Leno last night? I didn't watch it but I heard Leno called him in after Fox dropped him from the New Hampshire debates. Think some of the muckety mucks are trying to send a message??? (Don't be a Spoiler!!!) LOL

The more Bill does for Hillary the worse she is going to do. She is campaigning on her experience, not his. Every time the media says the words "Bill Clinton" it subconsciously suggests she can't handle it on her own. If she wants to win the Democratic ticket the very best thing she could do is send Bill home.

Edwards is campaigning to be Obama's Vice President. It's the same thing he did with Kerry. You hear how he defended Obama against a Hillary attack last week? Battle lines are being drawn in the sand and it ain't looking good for the Clinton clan.

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i kinda wish Edwards would be the prez and obama would be the veep.

but?

i don't think it'll come out that way...

the GOP is a completely deflated organisation..

that's what you get from running years of negative politics, namecalling, and empty rhetoric, while supporting the fleecing of the middle class..

the middle class is the backbone of our nation.

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It's still too early to be predicting who will and won't win.

Only a month ago, we were being told that Hillary and Rudy had too much money and momentum for anyone to catch up.

Maybe not the backbone, but the haunches, the part that puts the push and the push back in everything American.

We need to do something about the condition of very poor that cannot help themselves. (Notice how that "we" is automatically translated inside your brain to "middle class", because we understand what is at stake, who will benefit, and who has to shoulder the load.) We know the filthy rich don't want to help those people. They need them to keep on buying the over priced fat butt producing food they supply marked up several times over cost but won't serve themselves.

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i have no idea what you mean about me translating the very poor to the middle class..

i am firmly middle middle class and have never been motivated to become rich at any cost.

i know what poor means, i've been in a few third world countries, and i can drive a few blocks to find real shotguns shacks with families living in them...

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oh, i see i misunderstood, you were not saying the middle class is poor, altho we are becoming poorer if you consider that the "spread" between the rich and the middle class is widening at a surprising rate...

and yes, i do agree that for the most part the middle class is what you have left when you remove the people without conscience..

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Kind of like when they wanted to give(sell) over our port security to UAE, but not hire good hard working AMERICAN people? Would that be called in-sourcing?
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We need to do something about the condition of very poor that cannot help themselves. (Notice how that "we" is automatically translated inside your brain to "middle class", because we understand what is at stake, who will benefit, and who has to shoulder the load.) We know the filthy rich don't want to help those people. They need them to keep on buying the over priced fat butt producing food they supply marked up several times over cost but won't serve themselves.

What would you do about the very poor? Also, if you think the RICH are exploiting the poor by overpricing their "fat butt producing food they supply marked up several times over cost", why don't you get some of your buddies together and start producing and selling food at lower prices? The grocery and farming businesses are very low margin businesses. If I thought I could do it cheaper and make a reasonable profit, I would do it!

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You want to know something really sad? in 2004 or early 2005 we had some elections in Iraq. I was in Ramadi at the time and it was a hell hole. Threats of death, torture, and kidnappings were made to anyone going outside on voting day and going to vote.

And you know what? more people turned out to vote that those who turn out to vote in america.

there is a per capita thing of course but the percentage of eligible voters was way higher than what you see in the states.


its sad....people are lazy and getting worse.

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