However, I still haven't made the connection regarding hiring peeps to case and deliver mail, which is based on Zip codes...
Lockman, do you mind sharing what position this test is screening?
The test is 473C- Delivery, Distribution and Retail Jobs.
The hard part of the test is the memorization part, you study five blocks of addresses each consisting of five examples. You study them for 11 minutes and then have five minutes to answer 85 questions as to there location.
I'd like to thank everyone for responing in such a robust way.
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quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Not sure if this helps, because Jims answer made my head spin
Are you saying that I "over explained" the answer? I do have a tendancy to do that. It only took me about 5 minutes to figure them all out, figuring out how to type out the answer was the hard part. If you can unspin your head you will see that I am right, as are you in your answers, I just didn't explain to well.
When "they" ask questions like these "they" are not after mathematical skill, only common sense and the ability to apply it.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: The hard part of the test is the memorization part, you study five blocks of addresses each consisting of five examples.
that would be really hard for me...
any time i get numbers like addresses or telphones? it doesn't "downlaod" well...
if you gave me a map? i could redraw it to a fairly high degree of detail...
if i watch a movie or read a book? i can rewrite the story line.
but blocks of addresses? just don't compute...
Different people have differing types and methods of memory.
For example, there truly is a thing that is "photographic memory" and some one with it need not remember the actual numbers from a page of a book, but can simply read them from the "picture" he carries in his head of the "photo" of the page. (Consider the recent scientific results of chimps have better visual image memory than humans.)
And I point out that a student that I had once had an excellent memory, not any of which could be due to any sort of visual image retention, as the student was born without optical nerves.
I am convinced that an individual's eventual "intelligence" is more a measure of how he learns to manage his means of memory than most anything else.
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yep. memory is funny stuff.. i literally don't have a way to "store" the phone number blocks... my wife can look at a phone number and memorise it instantly, i have to use it.
i can look at them and see them, but they just don't have a place to go...
i have a student that asked me how many steps there are to blowing a glass bottle... i said millions, cuz it's true and i know every one of them...
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You shoulda sent that student to me, 'cause I've got all 3,240,910,567 steps stored in my picture book and can sequence them by looking at the page numbers. (I mean so long as you don't want to add a new color, then I'd need to find a couple of more pages I ain't read yet.)
.......lol........
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well, you mentioned page numbers? i can't do that. but can pick up a book that i've already read and find the page/paragraph of a specific scene pretty quick by scanning passages.
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I doubt that I can now, but back in grad school I could do a lot of it. I can't physically work those hours any more and I wonder if that has anything to do with it. Be an interesting topic of research for a psychologist, I think.
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I was thinking the other day how I used to be able to remember phone numbers after hearing them once. I still know phone numbers from 15 years or so ago that I haven't used since then.
one time I was in Pittsburgh for college, and had to go to the hospital. They asked who my gastroenterologist was at home. I couldn't remember the name, but I knew the number, even though I had only called it once, and months prior.
Nowadays? I think part of it is due to having cell phones with number storing capabilities, but I barely remember my own phone number. No need to, when you just type the name in your cell phone and it dials for you.
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I have a friend at the U. of Delaware that can rattle off, in sequence, every phone number I have had, at home or at work, since back when I first knew him, in the 60s.
Damned smartazz showoff p-sses me off!
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I remember 10 digit phone numbers of companies that I dealt with years ago as well as the ones i currently deal with, I seldom use the speed dial function on our phone systems.
I have my drivers license # memorized, I don't know why either, I didn't try it just happened.
I also still remember all of my friends phone numbers going back to the 80's. I havent dialed them in 20+ years. The mind is a funny thing, I sometimes can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday
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Diane Mitchel back in jr high. You betcha I remember.
Now here's a sad sad fact of life. 'Bout 15 years back, I was in a grocery store and a really hugely fat woman I didn't have any idea who she might be called me by name as a pushed a cart down an aisle. When I turned and looked back at her, she clearly noticed I needed help and added, "I'm Diane from the 8th grade...Mitchel back then".
But, what the hey.....I weighed only 140 then, myself.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: The hard part of the test is the memorization part, you study five blocks of addresses each consisting of five examples.
that would be really hard for me...
any time i get numbers like addresses or telphones? it doesn't "downlaod" well...
if you gave me a map? i could redraw it to a fairly high degree of detail...
if i watch a movie or read a book? i can rewrite the story line.
but blocks of addresses? just don't compute...
I'm almost completely opposite Glass. : )
They tell me that I have a great memory but my filing system totally screws the pooch.
When I try drawing from memory there is no rhyme or reason to what I draw but if you want me to remember a string of numbers for a while? No problem. Can't do that long term though like some of you guys and your ex's numbers. Longterm it all just falls into the shuffle in back and needs a jog from someone else if it is going to come out.
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I think other things may have a way to alter the ability to remember.
I long ago lost count of how many times I have taught trigonometry. From the days I first learned it myself, I have never been able to remember all those identities and formulas, except for one:
(sin^2)x + (cos^2)x = 1,
which really isn't itself trigonometry, but a weird way of stating the Pythagorean Theorem from geometry.
From that point I can, via manipulation, arithmetic, algebra, inference, hook or crook, and other methods of deduction, develop the rest of the subject.
I do much the same with integral and differential calculus, but with a oither starting points.
I don't "need" to remember it, so I can't.
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when i was learning math in Jr high and High school it seemed like gibberish to me UNTIL we would do the final.
if i had known then what i know now about how i learn? i would have skipped ahead to the last pages of each chapter and read them before we ever started the new chapters...
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bdgee, perfect example of how the mind seems to store unused information for long periods of time. I remember back from my days as a young hyd./pneumatic eng. tech. stupid little formulas that I never, ever, need or use today.
pneumatic HP= Compressed CFM x PSI x 144/ 33,000?????????? why do I still need to know this????
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Yes, cj, but don't forget, given two people, they may have entirely different memory abilities, even different mechanisms of memory. That doesn't mean either is the brighter or that one can learn some topic (here I don't mean just some memory trick) easier than the other. They may need to journey different paths to the desired goal, though.
Where so often teachers (by job title, not necessarily by accomplishment) make the mistake is teaching via what seems to them to be THE way to learn, since it is how they were successful.
Student A may have those same learning characteristics, whereas, student B simply has a memory technique such that he cannot learn by that route, thus the teachers fails with student B. Sadly, it isn't the teacher, but student B who receives the failing grade.
A good teacher learns that the old sculptor's description of his art as "I just cut away all the parts of the tree that don't look like a horse" tells a lot about art and teaching and the teacher must realize that two trees may have different horses inside, but horses, never-the-less.
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cool page boo.. you musta been a snipe huh?
here's what i found:Mechanical horsepower
See History of the term "horsepower"
The term "horsepower" was coined by the engineer James Watt (1736 to 1819) in 1782 while working on improving the performance of steam engines. This occurred while using a mine pony to lift coal out of a coal mine. He conceived the idea of defining the power exerted by these animals to accomplish this work. He found that, on the average, a mine horse could pull (lift by means of a pulley) 22,000 foot-pounds per minute. Rather than call this "pony" power, he increased these test results by 50 percent, and called it horsepower i.e. 33,000 foot-pounds of work per minute.
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yep i was a blackshoe. Had to get a special chit to go topside lol.
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equations and theoretic formulas can come in very handy sometimes though glass. There is a saying that goes something like.... If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull sh*t (ie. formulas and equations )
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