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and that happened cuz the Clinton's got up there and tried to push a few unpopular "changes" thru....

Hillary's healthcare and gun control...

IMO? Gore lost the 'lectoral vote simply cuz of Monica.

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No, that happened because the republicans bought into the take over and zest for a permanent republican control of the government. It was their thrill at having party before Country loyalty.

(They are still of that mind, too, and whenever it is pointed out, rather than accept or admit they have demanded party first and Country later (if ever) they like to holler "Clinton!!!!", hoping to change the subject and keep them from having to admit to following the lead of some Germans from decades ago.)

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
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Originally posted by Machiavelli:
not "invited" into this discussion? ... last time i checked this is a public forum and not one person owns any one thread.... [Roll Eyes]

Hmmm? So you agree that it isn't up to you to decide who can post. That's good. But you miss the point.

It isn't a question of being invited to post on a thread. Posting is the right of the individual, without invitation. The question is not whether or not you must be invited to post and join a conversation. You may. What is questioned is that using that privilege to post in order to participate in insults and name calling is out of place. The question's concern is if posting in a thread not to participate in the conversation, but to enter the thread to post insults, for name calling, for personal attacks, and to spread lies isn't inappropriate.

You are certainly not expected to have no personal opinions, but when those personal opinions are, or are so stated as to amount to, an assault on the character or rights of another to have a personal opinion, then common decorum says you have forced them into a decision of either accepting that they cannot post here or to responding in kind. It's an invitation to a so called "flame war" and an entirely inappropriate abuse of the right to post (in case you never thought about it, though no doubt you have).

When freedom of expression is misconstrued to allow oppression of another's freedom to express via personal or character attack rather than balanced and respectful disagreement, it ceases to be discussion. It becomes is an attack and an invitation to retaliate, which clearly infringes on the rights of others and leads to anything but free thinking.

Odd.. that is exactly what you do and did in this thread.. even from your first post... and as far as I'm concerned... Andrew did not name call you.. you did the name calling like you always do...

tell me where the name calling was in this post from Andrew: "Yep he is back. Name calling and all. Cant have a resonable debate without hate spewing from him. Nothing new."

As opposed to yours from the beginning: "You are just like a monkey trained to run about and wave a little red, white, and blue flag with 13 stripes and 50 stars....."

You have intelligence old man... but you are also delusional, mentally ill and kid yourself in your conspiracy laden mind... everyone is in the wrong and the name caller except you in your mind... when you do exactly what you accuse others of doing... but we all know better when it comes to you even though you think otherwise... just have to read your posts to see it... and your first post pretty much contradicted yourself...

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Well, hello, your highness.

Of course, you always know more than anyone.

And, of course again, you are allowed to engage in name calling, because you are always right and because you are your highness.

And of course again, again, it is clear that you read so much better than anyone else and can read into anything whatever you want, because you know it all, your highness.

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Let's revisit my original post from which Machiavelli has chosen to extract only a part and then intentionally claim it to be an attack on Andrew. It most certainly was not.

That entire post is above and there is nothing in it mentioning andrew or even possibly suggesting it is directed to or at andrew or any other individual, in spite of Machiavelli's claim that it was. Indeed the "you" of that post is is the same you we see so often being told "you know who you are". I can only assume andrew knew or thought he did and decided it was him (his decision, not mine). That wasn't my doing. Andrew takes offense and attacks me and Machiavelli reads into it his bias (he seems to have a lot of those) and wants to fight. I think it is obvious who is attacking someone and offering insult and name calling and it isn't me.

Machiavelli has repeatedly made it clear he wishes to fight. TS! That is childish. A battle of wits in a chat room cannot offer anyone but someone with a sick mind any pleasure and it certainly isn't something the rest of the folks want to have to put up with. (Anyway, I don't wish to have to tie one hand behind me to make such a battle of wits seem to be fair.)

I did not in anyway attack andrew with the first post in this thread, as Machiavelli claims, and I state bluntly that I also did not attack Machiavelli and there is no good reason for him to be attacking me, particularly since he really only wishes to be a troublemaker. I decline to play.

Machiavelli is himself engaged in a campaign of hate, though I suspect from the viewpoint of his love of New York and near religious belief that whatever is customary and habitual in New York is acceptable everywhere and only things New Yorkish are appropriate anywhere, that he thinks he isn't out of place. He is, but isn't able to understand that the propensity of New Yorkers, when they actually believe themselves to be debating, is to live by character attack and insult rather than by rational development of an argument on the merits of a subject to support their case. That is because, as is so often the case, New Yorkers are hopelessly and purely provincial and cannot recognize it.

I've known some wonderful people from New York, just as I've known some wonderful people from France and Oklahoma and a lot of places. Always they were considerate of others and other's ideas and customs and were not looking to fight with anyone.

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seriously Bdgeesus... you are one f*cked up individual... I have never ran across someone with such mental disease and yet think he is normal and sane lol you are Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore, Bill O'Reilly etc. rolled into one without having any one of their political views in particular... just your state of mind desires to be diagnosed and treated by a competent professional in the mental field.

You fight with people and call them names constantly and somehow in your messed up little mind you have convinced yourself that you do not. I did not say you attacked Andrew personally with your first post. Only that you attacked WHOMEVER from the get go with name calling and insults and yet deny it.

And my views mr. know it all is not New York in nature. I would have the same views no matter where I lived. Even if i lived in Texas. [Wink]

Seriously get some mental health help. I have no doubt you must be in some sort of therapy for your anger and mental disease though I do not expect you to admit it here in a PUBLIC and not your PRIVATE forum as you think this is. Also stop hanging out at that little bar in Texas that I hear you hang out at.Stop drinking. It's not helping your mental state. They think your a mental case as well. [Smile]

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At least you make reading these posts funn B. You truly are an ass clown.

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Hahahahaha

It's amazing how many dufuses there are out there that want to believe they are special intellects.

Machiavelli, you are the supreme "know it all".

You really do push the edges of the rationality envelope. Just think, if you hadn't chosen to start insulting me above on specious and slanderous motives, this wouldn't be here.

As to political views, you certainly have one. it ain't thought out, just reactionary. You certainly have an ego too (no Id to temper it, just a huge ego) and like your politics, it is reactionary rather than analytical or reasoned.


Amazing!!!

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that's pretty funny NR..

who's painting is it? looks Dutch to me, but i can't place the style... kinda looks like Van Gogh napping [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
that's pretty funny NR..

who's painting is it? looks Dutch to me, but i can't place the style... kinda looks like Van Gogh napping [Big Grin]

Rembrant, "Old Man Sleeping" (1629).

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By the way, not only were you not invited, you are, by your own admission, hopelessly unqualified to participate in a conversation about anything scientific or mathematical. Still you chose to worm yourself in so you could spew insults and cause trouble. As misguided and confused as MM is about mathematics, he is many miles beyond your capabilities. You need to stop the rude attacks.

"Play fair", you say? Playing fair would have been for you to mind your own business and not be a jerk by butting in and spewing insults about things beyond your grasp.

Bdgee Sir...I have looked back on my previous post and have found that I have NOT attacked you and called you names. Please Sir....Do not try and judge me. Sir you do not know me and You should try to relax. I can almost guarantee that you have hypertension.

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Since I am certain you believe yourself to be honest, clearly, you don't understand your previous posts.

The statement, "Yep he is back. Name calling and all. Cant have a resonable(sic) debate without hate spewing from him. Nothing new.", posted by you, is hateful and was clearly name calling and an insult and it is clear that is exacrtly what you intended it to be. Looks to me like you aren't willing (or maybe aren't able) to be reasonable or honest.

It was you that butted in where you weren't being considered or queried, not me. There was no cause for thaat vitriolic attack and hatred, other than simple crudness and ignorance.

"Do not try and judge me", you say? You did try to judge me, didn't you?. I'm sorry to report that you are hopelessly incapable of that task. You should learn some limits. You should also try to learn not to jump in insulting people out of your biased and bigoted religious interpretations of politics.

Hypertension? Isn't that a word with way to many syllables for you to try handling? I can guarantee you that you have rudeness (note: to make it easy, I used a two syllable common term).

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vitriolic, i like that word... [Big Grin]

much better than acerbic...

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Rats!

Acerbic didn't pop into my head. I could have used them both.

But, it's done now.....so much for milk.

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lol

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quote:
Originally posted by andrew:
By the way, not only were you not invited, you are, by your own admission, hopelessly unqualified to participate in a conversation about anything scientific or mathematical. Still you chose to worm yourself in so you could spew insults and cause trouble. As misguided and confused as MM is about mathematics, he is many miles beyond your capabilities. You need to stop the rude attacks.

"Play fair", you say? Playing fair would have been for you to mind your own business and not be a jerk by butting in and spewing insults about things beyond your grasp.

Bdgee Sir...I have looked back on my previous post and have found that I have NOT attacked you and called you names. Please Sir....Do not try and judge me. Sir you do not know me and You should try to relax. I can almost guarantee that you have hypertension.

This sounds exactly like one of those Nigerian Scammer letters I get in my email. Except the hypertension part. Especially
" Please Sir....Do not try and judge me. Sir you do not know me and You should try to relax."

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Hahahahaha

It's amazing how many dufuses there are out there that want to believe they are special intellects.

Machiavelli, you are the supreme "know it all".

You really do push the edges of the rationality envelope. Just think, if you hadn't chosen to start insulting me above on specious and slanderous motives, this wouldn't be here.

As to political views, you certainly have one. it ain't thought out, just reactionary. You certainly have an ego too (no Id to temper it, just a huge ego) and like your politics, it is reactionary rather than analytical or reasoned.


Amazing!!!

What is truely amazing is your delusions. Especially how you describe yourself to a "T" when you try to describe me.

Belief in special intellectualism, supreme "know it all", huge ego, reactionary political views, insults, hatred, anger, Dufus (so you don't name call eh? lol hypocrite), etc. etc.. all describes you though in your delusional mind everyone else is that except you. But we all see it whenever you posts.

Btw your original post is nothing more then a attack on others that have views different then yours. It was nothing more then to start a "flamewar". Something that you say everyone else does but you.

But anyways as one of the other forum members already said about you... your nothing but entertainment to us and rarely does anyone take your rantings serious or as he also called you: A AssClown....

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Hello, mr. know-it-all,

What a sanctimonious egomaniac you are.

(With coordinate manners and demeanor, too.)

Your perspective on any and everything is constricted by a bigotry so modulo New York City you cannot visualize that anythng not congruently biased can even be .... and you choose to believe that it must, by necessity of that parsimonious skewing, be warped into parallel with yours.

Your discrimination is but a supremely oblivious and sophomoric joke.

THINK!

YOU ARE ADDING NOTHING IN THE WAY OF INFORMATION HERE WITH YOUR INCESSANT CAMPAIGN OF ATTACK AND INSULT. YOUR ENTRY INTO AND FURTHER EFFORTS IN THIS THREAD (as so often is the case in whatever thread) PROVIDES NOTHING FOR ANYONE NOT SIMILARLY BIASED AND HATEFUL. YOU OFFER NO INFORMATION, JUST CRUDE CALUMNY AND, ONE MUST ASSUME, SOME SORT SELF AGGRANDISEMENT (an egotistical grasping for stature like a sexual pervert imagining that masturbation grants him knowledge and standing among actual and honorable progenitors.)

Moreover, your sense of humor lies, intellectually and emotionally at about the level and discernment of a rabidly devout fan of the Mickey Mouse Club (which is well below the acumen needed to handle the subtlety and sophistication of Howdy Doody or Captain Kangaroo). As a result, you far too often completely misconstrue the target of the subject of debate and go off half cocked, hypocritically screaming, on some tangent into nowhere. (Heh heh heh ..... like you already are eagerly contorting in reaction to this post, because you choose to miss the point.)

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Captain Kangaroo
Howdy Doody
Mickey Mouse Club

Where does Tennessee Tuxedo and Chumley fit in?

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yeah, and you forgot Crusader Rabbit.

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Wally Gator? Magilla Gorilla? Huckleberry Hound, Oh my darlin', Oh my darlin'.
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Well, all I can say is I can't remember (or type) every one of them.....and I have to insist that Huckleberry Hound was intended for adults rather than children.
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As was Rocky and Bullwinkle.
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And I can proudly state that this thread has finally reached my level of intellect.
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mine too!


ULTRAMAN!!!

Go! Go! GODZILLA

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Intellect?

Since when is some specified level of intellect even an article of concern here, let alone a goal?
I though we were time wasting and diverting attention from reality and responsibility.

Damn, I'm sorry, folks....and ashamed.

Hey, have you ever thought about why Roy and Gene were so fond of Trigger and Champion while mid-20th century station wagons were showing up on their ranches with good looking blondes that they never noticed at all. I remember seeing a "nightclub" show somewhere down across the border with a shanky brunette and a pony and I read one of Faulkner's tales about a idiot boy and a cow and I have to kind of wonder if Roy or Gene had some problem they didn't want kids to think or know about.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Hello, mr. know-it-all,

What a sanctimonious egomaniac you are.

(With coordinate manners and demeanor, too.)

constricted by a bigotry so modulo New York City you cannot visualize that anythng not congruentlyYour perspective on any and everything is biased can even be .... and you choose to believe that it must, by necessity of that parsimonious skewing, be warped into parallel with yours.

Your discrimination is but a supremely oblivious and sophomoric joke.

THINK!

YOU ARE ADDING NOTHING IN THE WAY OF INFORMATION HERE WITH YOUR INCESSANT CAMPAIGN OF ATTACK AND INSULT. YOUR ENTRY INTO AND FURTHER EFFORTS IN THIS THREAD (as so often is the case in whatever thread) PROVIDES NOTHING FOR ANYONE NOT SIMILARLY BIASED AND HATEFUL. YOU OFFER NO INFORMATION, JUST CRUDE CALUMNY AND, ONE MUST ASSUME, SOME SORT SELF AGGRANDISEMENT (an egotistical grasping for stature like a sexual pervert imagining that masturbation grants him knowledge and standing among actual and honorable progenitors.)

Moreover, your sense of humor lies, intellectually and emotionally at about the level and discernment of a rabidly devout fan of the Mickey Mouse Club (which is well below the acumen needed to handle the subtlety and sophistication of Howdy Doody or Captain Kangaroo). As a result, you far too often completely misconstrue the target of the subject of debate and go off half cocked, hypocritically screaming, on some tangent into nowhere. (Heh heh heh ..... like you already are eagerly contorting in reaction to this post, because you choose to miss the point.)

First of all I don't live in NYC so get that out of your little pea brain. NY state is far larger then NYC.

Again you describe yourself to a "T" when you describe others lol

1. Egomaniac
2. Bad manners and demeanor
3. this especially made me laugh (and not because it's funny but ironic) because everytime i read your words all i see is you describing yourself (minus the NYC reference):

" constricted by a bigotry so modulo New York City you cannot visualize that anythng not congruentlyYour perspective on any and everything is biased can even be .... and you choose to believe that it must, by necessity of that parsimonious skewing, be warped into parallel with yours."

4. Discrimination - with the constant NYC references

5. Attacker and insulter (read your first post among thousands of others over your "career" in this Forum)

6. Hater - wow, you really can't see your hatred through your words in all threads that are political?

I offer no information to this thread? Please.. what is to offer in a thread that starts off as a flamewar to Right Wingers on this forum that you hate. You offered nothing in information yourself other then have your fingers ready to type at the ones who at any given moment will contradict your views. I'm off target of debate? I agreed with your basic assessment of your original post peabrain. I merely said you sound like a lunatic on how you presented. As for the rest of the "debate" on this thread. You attacked Andrew and I merely kept on topic since you made that the new topic.

Funny, I don't see perverts as looking for knowledge when they masturbate. I would of said they were looking more for a "release" then "knowledge". But at least i know where your thoughts lie when your doing the deed. [Big Grin] I just hope you don't dress as Howdy Doody when you do so. Now that would be a sick mind. [Eek!]

Anyways your attack on my Humor makes it seem like you have humor at all. Nothing you say is funny though you seem to think so. You just rant and rave (pictures you dressed up as Howdy Doody now... [Frown] ). From now on that is how I will picture you, as Howdy Doody or various other characters because that is how I see you. As a joke. Get some mental health help, seriously so I at least think my tax dollars are doing some good to someone like you and not going to waste. No more furloughs, please. lol

Btw, out of curiosity, Do you trade in the stock market at all or just waste your time on the political forums looking for fights because you have nothing better in your life to do?

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You simply cannot seem to get the message.

No one needs or wants to constantly wade through your incessant and childish hateful diatribes on [/i]The World According to His Majesty, The Know-it-all.

Enough already. You have convinced yourself and those of similar ilk (each of whom shared your position all along) and no one else was ever interested in the first place (or the second or the third, and so on - - -).

I have an idea. Somewhere in that vast wasteland of thought you dwell in (should have been in which you dwell, shouldn't it have), find a cave or treeless valley or empty building or something else that will return a sharp echo and holler those insults and omnipresent pronouncements of your vast superiority to every one else onto that instead of here. That way folks here are freed of the burdon of them and you can listen and be thrilled to hear your philosophy screamed back at you with zeel equal to your own.

In my own opinion, Smiley Burnett was a better side kick than Pat Butrum. Of course, both were faithful, though certainly not so much as Tonto

(For some entertainment, do a little checking and figure out what Kino Sabe really means!!!)

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Mach, knock it off.
You are not winning...
Not even close.
Focus on the topic.
Try rationally discussing the notion of patriotism.
Try contemplating the fact that the label of patriot can be worn along side the label of dissenter.

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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
Mach, knock it off.
You are not winning...
Not even close.
Focus on the topic.
Try rationally discussing the notion of patriotism.
Try contemplating the fact that the label of patriot can be worn along side the label of dissenter.

I don't need to discuss it because I had agreed with what Bgeesus views are on it from his first post. What's to discuss unless I was of the opposite view of his first post which I'm not. But he is a hyprocrite for starting the name calling and flaming then putting that blame on others like he always does.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
You simply cannot seem to get the message.

No one needs or wants to constantly wade through your incessant and childish hateful diatribes on [/i]The World According to His Majesty, The Know-it-all.

Enough already. You have convinced yourself and those of similar ilk (each of whom shared your position all along) and no one else was ever interested in the first place (or the second or the third, and so on - - -).

I have an idea. Somewhere in that vast wasteland of thought you dwell in (should have been in which you dwell, shouldn't it have), find a cave or treeless valley or empty building or something else that will return a sharp echo and holler those insults and omnipresent pronouncements of your vast superiority to every one else onto that instead of here. That way folks here are freed of the burdon of them and you can listen and be thrilled to hear your philosophy screamed back at you with zeel equal to your own.

In my own opinion, Smiley Burnett was a better side kick than Pat Butrum. Of course, both were faithful, though certainly not so much as Tonto

(For some entertainment, do a little checking and figure out what Kino Sabe really means!!!)

Odd & ironic. You keep describing yourself. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
I don't need to discuss it because I had agreed with what Bgeesus views are on it from his first post. What's to discuss unless I was of the opposite view of his first post which I'm not. But he is a hyprocrite for starting the name calling and flaming then putting that blame on others like he always does.

Ok so just a recap:
Bdgee calls you a moron after one of your many moronic statements and you retaliate by stumbling through as many highschool insults as you can remember.
All the while claiming you wish this to go no further.
Do us all a favor and admit that what you really want is acceptance.
You wish to better Bdgee in these lop sided battles because you see him as better than yourself.
You veiw him as sort of a father figure.
It's just best you admit this and spare yourself the many years humiliation you are about to enter.

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If we truly want to eliminate all insults on any given thread, we need to open up a separate insult forum. Pick a target and fire away. Any attacks on discussion threads could be moved there by one of the mods. Could also be used for general ribbing, good natured fun poking, or downright hateful insults. I'm all for it, hell I'll moderate it as it'll be my favorite forum. It just gets too cumbersome to search through all of these different off-topic threads for new and entertaining insults, regardless of who's posted them. Man, I'm a genius at times. I think Relentless and I could probably give it a good kick start.
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