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That may be true Glass, but guess which religion still practices it today? It is one thing to have practiced it in the past, realized it was wrong, and stopped... and quite another to continually practice it in modern times thinking that somehow what you are doing is right.
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quote:Originally posted by Persia: It's not about the Jews or being a Jew or whatever.
It's about when somebody criticize a Jew or Israel, he's been instantly called an anti-semite or a fascist.
You can criticize muslims, blacks, hispanics, russians, chinese, eskimo's and that's ok. But when you turn your attention to the Jews/Israel you're suddenly a fascist Jew hater and there is no room for debate.
That's what sounds like a resentment to me. I never called anyone anything but you went into this entire angry thing. I only responded to Glass's question about the importance of Israel to Jews when the U.S. has opened its arms.
It's like any other minority group feeling bigotry and prejudice while the majority is saying "I'm not a bigot, racist, anti-semite, etc., I have a jewish, black, hispanic friend."
Of course you can become jewish if you wished. Jews just don't recruit. We also don't reject.
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I've known a couple of people fairly well that were shunned. One as a cadet in one of our military colleges and the other grew up a Moreman and was one until they tossed him out. Both cases involved romance with "inappropriate" females.
I saw what it did to those two. It destroyed them and left them as hardly a shell and trapped in everlasting emotional pain and fear. I'd bet either of them would trade being stoned for being shunned in a heartbeat.
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quote:Originally posted by NaturalResources: That may be true Glass, but guess which religion still practices it today? It is one thing to have practiced it in the past, realized it was wrong, and stopped... and quite another to continually practice it in modern times thinking that somehow what you are doing is right.
We'll it's not just a muslim thing per say... Kurds that aren't muslims do it as we saw with the girl who got stoned to death, Palenstinian christians do it as well... it's more a Middle Eastern thing then a religious thing..
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it's been overlooked when politically convenient too:
Misha'al bint Fahd al Saud (1958-1977) (Arabic: الأميرة مشاعل بنت فهد بن محمد آل سعود) was a Saudi Arabian princess who was a victim of an honour killing, being publicly killed by her own family on a trumped-up charge of adultery in 1977, at the age of 19. She was a granddaughter of Prince Muhammad bin Abdul Aziz, who was an older brother of the then King of Saudi Arabia, Khalid bin Abdul Aziz.
She was legally married according to the Sharia, but the king refused to recognize her marriage to a commoner[1]. After attempting to fake her own drowning and being caught trying to escape from Saudi Arabia with her husband, she and her husband were executed on the orders of her grandfather, Prince Muhammad bin Abdul Aziz. There is no clear evidence that a trial of the Princess or her lover took place. No charges have ever been brought against her grandfather.
Her death and events that lead up to it were dramatized in the docu-drama Death of a Princess (1980):
"The difference between the official version, which was the girl was killed because she was found guilty of adultery, and the truth of it, which turns out that she was, in fact, executed by the king's elder brother in an act of tribal vengeance in a parking lot in Jeddah, was, in fact, the heart of the controversy because that was the part that, of course, the royal family could not countenance. And that was the great outrage."
- David Fanning, Cowriter and Executive Producer of Death of a Princess
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"IMO all religions are backwards, archaic and often barbaric, but if I had to pick today's worst of the worst as far as mainstream religions go, guess which one it would be...."
I would choose the Evangelist as the worst, I'm more scared of them than Jews, Muslims or regular Christians...
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BBC News: Wednesday, 27 June 2007, 09:04 GMT 10:04 UK
Iran fuel rations spark violence
There were angry protests as people rushed to buy petrol Several petrol stations have been torched in the Iranian capital Tehran, after the government announced fuel rationing for private vehicles. Windows were smashed and stones thrown at the stations, and there was traffic chaos as motorists queued to buy fuel.
Iranians were given only two hours' notice of the move that limits private drivers to 100 litres of fuel a month.
Despite its huge energy reserves, Iran lacks refining capacity and it imports about 40% of its petrol.
Iran has a large budget deficit largely caused by fuel subsidies and the inflation rate is estimated at 20-30%.
The BBC Tehran correspondent Frances Harrison says Iran is trying to rein in fuel consumption over fears of possible UN sanctions over its nuclear programme.
Iran fears the West could impose sanctions on its petrol imports and cripple its economy.
'Dangerous move'
There was violence in nine areas of Tehran as angry youths attacked petrol stations, Raja News, a website linked to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, reported.
Reports of attacks on petrol stations elsewhere in the country could not be confirmed.
Some people came on foot with jerry cans and plastic bottles and the police were out in force to stem unrest, amid reports of scuffles at petrol stations.
The restrictions began at midnight local time on Wednesday (2030 GMT Tuesday) and would continue for four months - with a possible extension to six months - the government said.
There is anger and frustration the government did not give people more notice. Some MPs have called for an end to the rationing and parliament may postpone its summer recess to deal with the crisis.
"Guns, fireworks, tanks, [President] Ahmadinejad should be killed," chanted angry youths, throwing stones at police.
Iran's petrol is heavily subsidised, sold at about a fifth of its real cost
The protests are the first large-scale outpouring of anger against the Iranian government since Mr Ahmadinejad took office in 2005.
"I think rationing is not bad by itself but it must be organised," one man told the Associated Press news agency.
"One cannot announce at 9pm that the rationing would start at midnight, they should have announced the exact date at least two days earlier."
Iran's petrol is heavily subsidised, sold at about a fifth of its real cost.
The price of 1,000 rials ($0.11) per litre makes Iran one of the cheapest countries in the world for motorists.
So far there has been no announcement about whether Iranians can buy more petrol at the real market cost.
Licensed taxi drivers will be able to buy 800 litres a month at the subsidised price.
US pressure
Our correspondent says rationing fuel is only likely to add to high inflation.
It is a dangerous move for any elected government, especially in an oil-rich country like Iran, where people think cheap fuel is their birthright and public transport is very limited, she says.
The US, which is leading efforts to pressure Iran to suspend its uranium enrichment activities, has said Iran's fuel imports are a point of "leverage".
Washington and other Western nations accuse the Islamic Republic of seeking to build nuclear weapons.
Iran says its nuclear programme is entirely peaceful and is solely aimed at producing civilian nuclear power.
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quote:Originally posted by Persia: "Guns, fireworks, tanks, [President] Ahmadinejad should be killed," chanted angry youths, throwing stones at police."
I totally agree with the above, the sooner the better...
And this is how its supposed to take shape....inocents will pay with their life, but they will not die in vain.
Its a shame, we're a poor example for their cause right now
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No, persia, it is the religion that empowers their regime.
Democracy can be taken to extremes that are neither rational nor healthy and that is the normal course with the influence of religion on government.
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It's the same with Hugo Chavez, Mugabe, Kim Il Sung, etc... It's not the religion per se, it's the regime and/or the dictators behind the religion...
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I did not say there was no evil without religion, just that dictating government with religion assures it.
Some of you people need to do some serious study of logical inferences. That a dog is a four legged animal does not imply that a four legged animal is a dog.
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These books and or "bibles" were writtten by the same people who thought the world was flat. In a time when anything out of the ordinary would be intrepreted as divine intervention like sayyyyy LOCUST....and your occasional Typhoon.
While the players in these Novels did exist, IMO they "might have" been nothing more then the Jimmy Bakker and Pat Roberts of that time period.
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And the same is the case for a dominate entity that simply isn't interested in the plight of humans, any one of them or all of them.
A quote from Albert Einstein, "I believe in no personal god."
(If there is god or gods, who or what created him or her or it or them? Then, in the case that such a super creator exists, who or what created - - -.)
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there are concepts of divinity to be found thruout all works, not just in religious writings, and i think if you read thru Einsteins writings you'll find that he also felt that way....
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Having read a bunch of Einstein's works, both in English and German, I think I have a pretty good feel for his beliefs about a god. There was no religion of any form in his belief.
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I see. So an elephant is divine.....and a seagull?
I think it more nearly correct to say divinity suggest "abnormal" (and maybe unrestricted) power, while Einstein insisted that nature had restrictions and its powers were quite normal if properly viewed and understood, which he believed was withing human ability.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: I see. So an elephant is divine.....and a seagull?
the short answer? yes...
A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
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I watched some of the Doc. "Flock of the Dodos" Some of the biggest arguments with the intellignet design scientists were that, every aspect of all walks of life is far to complicated to not have had an "architect" They used the human eye for an example. And stated there was far to many facets that are at work for it just to be coincidence.
I see the opposite.... i see evolution and adaptation
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