Allstocks Highwaychild Member posted March 28, 2007 05:28 PMMarch 28, 2007 18:28 ________________________________________ "Liberal" Hillary Clinton is for permanent stay in Iraq, after all the smoke that was blown up the peoples butts about getting us out of there?
"Conservative" Rudy Giuliani is for partial-birth abortions after all the smoke that was blown from the GOP's on that topic?
I mean, I'm all for getting rid of all the party labels and getting us back to "One Nation Under God" ,but man they sure picked some monster issues to flop on...Didn't they? ________________________________________ Posts: 1790 | From: The highway | Registered: Feb 2004 | IP: Logged |
glassman Member posted March 28, 2007 06:07 PMMarch 28, 2007 19:07 ________________________________________ Hillary and Dubya are both bad for America IMO..
Rudy is for partial birth abortions? i doubt it... i bet he is for staying the heck out of other people personal affairs tho...
i beleive he is the best hope we have right now...
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bdgee Member posted March 28, 2007 06:35 PMMarch 28, 2007 19:35 ________________________________________ quote: ________________________________________ Originally posted by Highwaychild: "Liberal" Hillary Clinton is for permanent stay in Iraq, after all the smoke that was blown up the peoples butts about getting us out of there?
"Conservative" Rudy Giuliani is for partial-birth abortions after all the smoke that was blown from the GOP's on that topic?
I mean, I'm all for getting rid of all the party labels and getting us back to "One Nation Under God" ,but man they sure picked some monster issues to flop on...Didn't they? ________________________________________ You aren't very swift on the getting back to what we are department.
Lets see, now, borrowing the title, The Greatest generation", which was those Americans born just before and growing up during the great depression. They learned and recited that pledge as,
"....one nation, indivisable, with liberty and justice for all...."
not as you want it to be,
"one nation, under god....".
Then they went off and lasted through that terrible world war with those sentaments they learned as children and continued to say "indivisable" rather than "under god", even after. I think they did pretty damned well without the "god pledge", just believing in this nation, indivisable, don't you? They did a hell of a lot better than we are getting now from the righwing christian fanatics, to say the least.
You need to pay more attention to the Constitution than to your republican talking points:
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establisment of a religion...".
I want my country to be my country because it is what it is. I certainly don't want it turned over to a bunch of fanatics of the type that tortured Galileo for understanding they were wrong. ________________________________________ Posts: 6150 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005 | IP: Logged |
Looks like the "very swift" comment was the first insult there.
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Author Topic: unencumbered bdgee Member posted April 02, 2007 02:26 PMApril 02, 2007 15:26 ________________________________________ "Writing for the court majority, Justice John Paul Stevens, rejected the administration's argument that it lacked the power under the federal clean air law to regulate such emissions.
He said nothing suggested that Congress in adopting the law meant to curtail the EPA's power to treat greenhouse gases as air pollutants.
Stevens wrote that the EPA's decision was "arbitrary, capricious or otherwise not in accordance with law."
bdgee Member posted April 02, 2007 02:33 PMApril 02, 2007 15:33 ________________________________________ "unencumbred" is not the title I entered for this thread.
Sorry
It is about the Supreme Court ruling that dubya's directive to not allow the EPA to set emissions standards is illegal.
Maybe a first stab at his incessant use of signing statements and presidential orders to break the laws.....I hope..... ________________________________________ Posts: 6256 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005 | IP: Logged |
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posted April 02, 2007 02:58 PMApril 02, 2007 15:58 ________________________________________ Bush just trying to limit the size of government again. Great job supreme court! Now you can set emissions levels on cars when it hasn't been proven with 100% certainty that global warming is caused my mankind. ________________________________________ Posts: 171 | From: CT | Registered: Feb 2007 | IP: Logged |
bdgee Member posted April 02, 2007 03:04 PMApril 02, 2007 16:04 ________________________________________ urnso is having brain farts again...
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Brain farts? Insult or cheap shot? You be the judge, unprovoked either way. Next:
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posted March 30, 2007 09:43 AMMarch 30, 2007 10:43 ________________________________________ With five private jets, Travolta still lectures on global warming 30.03.07
His serious aviation habit means he is hardly the best person to lecture others on the environment. But John Travolta went ahead and did it anyway.
The 53-year-old actor, a passionate pilot, encouraged his fans to "do their bit" to tackle global warming.
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Happy landings: John Travolta's plane collection parked at his home in Florida
But although he readily admitted: "I fly jets", he failed to mention he actually owns five, along with his own private runway.
Clocking up at least 30,000 flying miles in the past 12 months means he has produced an estimated 800 tons of carbon emissions nearly 100 times the average Briton's tally.
Travolta made his comments this week at the British premiere of his movie, Wild Hogs.
He spoke of the importance of helping the environment by using "alternative methods of fuel" after driving down the red carpet on a Harley Davidson.
Travolta, a Scientologist, claimed the solution to global warming could be found in outer space and blamed his hefty flying mileage on the nature of the movie business.
But his appointment as a "serving ambassador" for the Australian airline Qantas doesn't seem to have much to do with the movies. Nor does a recent, two-month round-the-world flying trip.
"It [global warming] is a very valid issue," Travolta declared. "I'm wondering if we need to think about other planets and dome cities.
"Everyone can do their bit. But I don't know if it's not too late already. We have to think about alternative methods of fuel.
"I'm probably not the best candidate to ask about global warming because I fly jets.
"I use them as a business tool though, as others do. I think it's part of this industry otherwise I couldn't be here doing this and I wouldn't be here now."
Travolta's five private planes a customised £2million Boeing 707, three Gulfstream jets and a Lear jet are kept at the bottom of his garden in the US next to a private runway.
Indeed, such is his enthusiasm for flying, he persuaded his wife, actress Kelly Preston, to name their son Jett when he was born 14 years ago.
Five years ago he piloted his own Boeing 707 on a 13- city "Spirit of Friendship Tour" for Qantas, taking in Los Angeles, Auckland, Sydney, Singapore, Tokyo, London, Paris and New York and amassing over 35,000 flying miles.
More recently, a gruelling promotional schedule for his two latest projects, Hairspray and Wild Hogs, has seen him fly extensively over the past year.
This includes a country-wide tour of the US and a visit to Canada as well as this week's appearance in Leicester Square.
Such prolific mileage means that, over the past 12 months, he has accumulated around 800 tonnes of carbon emissions.
According to a recent study by the government-funded Carbon Trust, this means he boasts a carbon "footprint" nearly 100 times that of the average Briton, who is responsible for 10.92 tons of Co2, from his flights alone.
One of the world's leading climate change businesses, the Carbon Neutral Company, has written to Travolta, suggesting ways he could reduce these alarming levels.
He has yet to respond to their advice. Environmental groups were quick to criticise Travolta for "discrediting the cause".
John Buckley, managing director-of CarbonFootprint.com, said: "John Travolta has such a high-profile celebrity status, so what he says carries an extraordinary amount of weight.
"So it is such a shame when someone of his standing is so outspoken about green issues, yet fails to practise what he preaches.
"Unfortunately someone of his standing ends up discrediting the cause itself, because he is saying people should protect the environment on one hand, yet travelling on a private plane on the other.
"Green issues are serious and should be treated as such.
"It is vital for celebrities to toe the line when they speak out in support of it." ________________________________________ Posts: 174 | From: CT | Registered: Feb 2007 | IP: Logged |
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posted March 30, 2007 10:34 AMMarch 30, 2007 11:34 ________________________________________ quote: ________________________________________ Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: Yep, hypocrisy is everywhere.
Like "health insurers" that routinely rescind the individual health insurance policies of chronically ill or pregnant enrollees, in violation of state laws.
It is nothing but hypocrisy of the highest order for these corporations to call their product "health insurance," while they participate in these and countless other shameful practices.
And yet, at the same time, they get HUGE tax breaks from the Bush Administration....
Go figure. ________________________________________ Why bring up heath insurance?
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posted March 30, 2007 10:49 AMMarch 30, 2007 11:49 ________________________________________ Its a personal shot at me since he knows I work in the health insurance industry. Very classy. ________________________________________ Posts: 174 | From: CT | Registered: Feb 2007 | IP: Logged |
Gordon Bennett Member posted March 30, 2007 10:53 AMMarch 30, 2007 11:53 ________________________________________ No....
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Gordon Bennett Member posted March 30, 2007 11:10 AMMarch 30, 2007 12:10 ________________________________________ I bring up health insurance because it doesn't support health and it is not actually insurance.
Hard to beat that as an example of blatent hypocrisy... quote: ________________________________________ Originally posted by Lockman: quote: ________________________________________ Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: Yep, hypocrisy is everywhere.
Like "health insurers" that routinely rescind the individual health insurance policies of chronically ill or pregnant enrollees, in violation of state laws.
It is nothing but hypocrisy of the highest order for these corporations to call their product "health insurance," while they participate in these and countless other shameful practices.
And yet, at the same time, they get HUGE tax breaks from the Bush Administration....
Go figure. ________________________________________ Why bring up heath insurance? ________________________________________
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posted March 30, 2007 11:15 AMMarch 30, 2007 12:15 ________________________________________ OK, but the title of the tread was Hollywood Hypocrisy. Do you think John Travolta really gives a dam about the environment?
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Gordon Bennett Member posted March 30, 2007 11:19 AMMarch 30, 2007 12:19 ________________________________________ He doesn't care enough about it to take public transportation, I'll give you that!
But he's Travolta; not Hollywood. Lumping all of Hollywood together based on the actions of a mega-celebrity is blatently unfair.
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posted March 30, 2007 11:23 AMMarch 30, 2007 12:23 ________________________________________ But it is fair when this mega-celebrity preaches about global warming and then does this. ________________________________________ Posts: 174 | From: CT | Registered: Feb 2007 | IP: Logged |
Gordon Bennett Member posted March 30, 2007 11:32 AMMarch 30, 2007 12:32 ________________________________________ There are a lot of great people in Hollywood that both care about the environment and practice what they preach.
Therefore, the pretense of your thread, that all of Hollywood is hypocritical, isn't fair.
If you had intended to convey fairness you might have titled it "Travolta Hypocrisy at its finest."
(The health insurance industry on the other hand... LOL)
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rimasco Member posted March 30, 2007 12:18 PMMarch 30, 2007 13:18 ________________________________________ Yeah urnso, look at the brave George Crooney (Kim jung ill would call him)
He made 2 very controversial movies "Syriana" and "Good night and good luck"
He put his neck on the line making two movies that ALLLLL of HOLLYWOOD was quietly behind!
LMAO!!!!! way to go Georgie boy...way to put your neck on the line...Im sure youll be black-listed.
Id like to see him make a real controversial movie. Like sayyyyyy one that casts him as the prophet mohammed....
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Gordon Bennett Member posted March 30, 2007 12:25 PMMarch 30, 2007 13:25 ________________________________________ You guys really have to stop listening to Fox and Rush.
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bdgee Member posted March 30, 2007 12:27 PMMarch 30, 2007 13:27 ________________________________________ quote: ________________________________________ Originally posted by Lockman: OK, but the title of the tread was Hollywood Hypocrisy. Do you think John Travolta really gives a dam about the environment? ________________________________________ I have reason to believe he does and none that he doesn't.
And, from your past post, there is solid reason to know that you don't.
So why are you even injecting yourself into the discussion.
Oh, yeah, I forgot. You just got your copy of the RNC talking points and it's part of your assignment. (Explains why urnso77 and rimasco have jumped on the bandwagon too.)
You rightwingers are sure eager to declare knowledge of what others think and believe....and almost always you are purely full of it. ________________________________________ Posts: 6260 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005 | IP: Logged |
Last comment there sure seemed like an insult in a relatively amicable conversation. Shall I continue? These are some of the gentler ones too. Just today I saw bdgee refer to someone as a jerk, another with limited intelligence and yet another telling someone he had no capability to debate. As it was said before, hypocrisy is running rampant here, I believe I've discovered the source of it.
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Here is another Upside...unprovoked and directed towards me, on the "Say something critical about the U.S.A. thread"...
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by retiredat49: It's legal to kill unborn babies...but if you shoot a pesky cat or dog you will most likely get arrested... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No, it isn't legal to harm unborn babies (knowingly, intentionally, or neglegiently), you sick jerk.
Why don't you try, just occasionally, to not tell lies.
It is a sin to fabricate lies in order to harm others or their reputations, no matter what your belief in God (or their's), but that never stops you. Remember, you are the one that is going to burn in Hell for that sin.
Do you suppose it is a kinder and gentler Hell you are destined for because of those hateful lies than the Hell for those that harm babies? I don't and I'm pleased with that conclusion, particularly when I know you will be there, serving along with rapist and murderers and child molesters and all manner of other sick sinners. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posts: 6262 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005 | IP: Logged |
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I've got a bunch of them saved in a Word document, ready to go at any moment. How's that old saying go about the pot calling the kettle black?
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LOL Andrew... Maybe they are just sick and tired of hearing Bdgee's broken record every time he doesn't agree with someone.
Seriously, as many times as he calls posters here RNC parrots, he actually ends up sounding like one...
RNC Parrot RAAAWT... Fat Rush the Doper RAAAAWT...
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