We need to extract America from Iraq. This war in Iraq is killing our kids, killing the Iraqi, causing great harm to economies of the world and seriously damaging our American reputation as a good country.
Please help to bring our kids back home; too many have died, too many are dying.
Please add your voice in support of this Senate Joint Resolution 36 for our kids, for the kids of Iraq.
Purl Gurl
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Dear Kiralynne,
It's as simple as this. Most members of Congress, myself included, share some responsibility for getting us into Iraq. We've got to take responsibility for getting us out.
Since April, hundreds of thousands of you have joined me in calling for a change in policy, a change in course -- for Iraq, and for Americans here at home. Now let's turn the volume up higher. Washington needs to hear your voice.
The violence continues to spiral in Iraq. But, instead of a deadline to bring our troops home and put the future of Iraq in the hands of Iraqi leaders, we get half-hearted comments about past mistakes, and cynical political calculation.
Last month, I introduced Senate Joint Resolution 36 which calls for the withdrawal of our combat troops from Iraq by the end of this year. In the next few weeks, I am urging the Senate to take a strong stand on Iraq and pass this Resolution. It's time to put the future of Iraq where it belongs - in the hands of the Iraqi people and their leaders. Our valiant soldiers have done their job.
Tell your Senators: support Senate Joint Resolution 36 to bring our combat troops home in 2006
President Bush wants to stumble along, perpetuating his mistakes for the remainder of his time in office. He's even suggested that decisions about withdrawing all of our troops from Iraq will be for the next president to make.
And, instead of statesmanship, the president's top advisor, Karl Rove, is worrying that the war has put voters in a "sour mood" for the 2006 elections. He should be worried about the safety of our troops, not the job security of Republican congressmen.
It took President Bush three years to admit he was wrong to say 'bring it on.' We can't afford years to go by until he admits the standstill in Iraq today is wrong.
Tell your Senators: support Senate Joint Resolution 36 to bring our combat troops home in 2006
After months of squabbling and delay, we now hear that the new Iraqi government will complete its cabinet in a matter of days. So, it's time to act -- time to keep the pressure on.
Iraqi leaders have only responded to deadlines -- a deadline to transfer authority to a provisional government, a deadline to hold three elections, and their own constitutional deadline to establish a unity government.
Now we must set another deadline to get our combat troops out and get Iraq up on its own two feet. We must agree with the new Iraqi government on a schedule for withdrawing American combat forces by the end of this year.
Doing so will empower the new Iraqi leadership, put Iraqis in the position of running their own country, and undermine support for the insurgency, which is fueled in large measure by the majority of Iraqis who want us to leave their country.
Tell your Senators: support Senate Joint Resolution 36 to bring our combat troops home in 2006
Our soldiers have done their job, and America is grateful to them for their honor and sacrifice. Now it's time for the Iraqis to do their job of securing and governing their country and it is time to get our combat troops home in 2006. Only troops essential to finishing the job of training Iraqi forces should remain.
We need blunt talk and clear plans -- and only pressure from you can force Washington to change course.
I am committed to forcing Congress to speak out on Iraq. Yesterday in Los Angeles I made it clear that I'm not going to stop fighting until we have a change in policy. I urge you to keep supporting our efforts to force action when lives are on the line and leadership is desperately needed.
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Al Gore knows how to stay in the "spotlight" by appearing on Saturday Night Live and doing comedy scenes. Who's this John Kerry guy I keep hearing about?
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quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: Please email and call your representative.
We need to extract America from Iraq. This war in Iraq is killing our kids, killing the Iraqi, causing great harm to economies of the world and seriously damaging our American reputation as a good country.
Please help to bring our kids back home; too many have died, too many are dying.
Please add your voice in support of this Senate Joint Resolution 36 for our kids, for the kids of Iraq.
Purl Gurl
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Dear Kiralynne,
It's as simple as this. Most members of Congress, myself included, share some responsibility for getting us into Iraq. We've got to take responsibility for getting us out.
Since April, hundreds of thousands of you have joined me in calling for a change in policy, a change in course -- for Iraq, and for Americans here at home. Now let's turn the volume up higher. Washington needs to hear your voice.
The violence continues to spiral in Iraq. But, instead of a deadline to bring our troops home and put the future of Iraq in the hands of Iraqi leaders, we get half-hearted comments about past mistakes, and cynical political calculation.
Last month, I introduced Senate Joint Resolution 36 which calls for the withdrawal of our combat troops from Iraq by the end of this year. In the next few weeks, I am urging the Senate to take a strong stand on Iraq and pass this Resolution. It's time to put the future of Iraq where it belongs - in the hands of the Iraqi people and their leaders. Our valiant soldiers have done their job.
Tell your Senators: support Senate Joint Resolution 36 to bring our combat troops home in 2006
President Bush wants to stumble along, perpetuating his mistakes for the remainder of his time in office. He's even suggested that decisions about withdrawing all of our troops from Iraq will be for the next president to make.
And, instead of statesmanship, the president's top advisor, Karl Rove, is worrying that the war has put voters in a "sour mood" for the 2006 elections. He should be worried about the safety of our troops, not the job security of Republican congressmen.
It took President Bush three years to admit he was wrong to say 'bring it on.' We can't afford years to go by until he admits the standstill in Iraq today is wrong.
Tell your Senators: support Senate Joint Resolution 36 to bring our combat troops home in 2006
After months of squabbling and delay, we now hear that the new Iraqi government will complete its cabinet in a matter of days. So, it's time to act -- time to keep the pressure on.
Iraqi leaders have only responded to deadlines -- a deadline to transfer authority to a provisional government, a deadline to hold three elections, and their own constitutional deadline to establish a unity government.
Now we must set another deadline to get our combat troops out and get Iraq up on its own two feet. We must agree with the new Iraqi government on a schedule for withdrawing American combat forces by the end of this year.
Doing so will empower the new Iraqi leadership, put Iraqis in the position of running their own country, and undermine support for the insurgency, which is fueled in large measure by the majority of Iraqis who want us to leave their country.
Tell your Senators: support Senate Joint Resolution 36 to bring our combat troops home in 2006
Our soldiers have done their job, and America is grateful to them for their honor and sacrifice. Now it's time for the Iraqis to do their job of securing and governing their country and it is time to get our combat troops home in 2006. Only troops essential to finishing the job of training Iraqi forces should remain.
We need blunt talk and clear plans -- and only pressure from you can force Washington to change course.
I am committed to forcing Congress to speak out on Iraq. Yesterday in Los Angeles I made it clear that I'm not going to stop fighting until we have a change in policy. I urge you to keep supporting our efforts to force action when lives are on the line and leadership is desperately needed.
Sincerely,
John Kerry
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I think running away now and showing the enemy what cowards we are is a great idea. It worked well in Mogadishu...
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Yes, NR! By all means and with every ounce of our soul and the blood of the last young man or woman we can conscipt, let's stay the course, like we did in Viet Nam. Yes! It worked well in Viet Nam.
Show those second rate little weak sniveling countries that we dictate right and wrong and we can't be stopped or questioned when we invade one of them on false lies and false pretenses.
It worked well in Viet Nam.
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Hey...maybe we should contact our Congressman and women and also ask that our Police Officers withdrawal from Washington D.C. and almost every other U.S. major metropolitan area.
The civilian death rate in Iraq is less than that of Washington, D.C., Detroit, Baltimore, Atlanta, St. Louis and New Orleans. Quick! Sound the retreat...our cities have become more violent than Iraq.
And N.R. is right on point. Islamofacsism has been emboldened by our lack of response in the past: Word Trade Center I, the U.S.S. Cole, Mogadishu, the 1996 attack on the U.S. military barracks Khobar Towers, the 1998 attacks on U.S. Embassies in Africa, the 1999 "Millennium" plot, etc. All one needs to do is ask one very simple question to answer the need for withdrawal:
Would our enemies desire for our troops to leave Iraq or stay in Iraq?
Funny how critics of this Administration walk almost in lock-step with every decision our enemies would prefer we take.
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you have some strange statistics there W... care to support them? what is a "death rate" ? is your data "per capita" and what are the reference indexes?
are you speaking of people who die of old age? LOL
show me how many terrorist attacks people have died in in the US? or how many kidnappings?
people with your attitude are why we are in this mess already...
i don't agree with just pulling out either...
BUT?
people spouting stuff like this: Funny how critics of this Administration walk almost in lock-step with every decision our enemies would prefer we take. are just making the next holy war inevitable...
what makes you so sure you know what our enemies want? if you look at the fall of the USSR? you'll find that the war in Afghanistan was the real tipping point... binalivetoolong was "schooled" in that war...
seems you haven't noticed? the Islamofascist instigators have used the Iraq war to support their cause.... they have recruited using the war and increased their numbers exponentially....
Would our enemies desire for our troops to leave Iraq or stay in Iraq?
anybody who fights a war this way has already given over control of the decision making process.... that's a political slogan, not a General's strategic rule IMO? we crossed several crucial decision making points a couple years ago... we have no choice but to finish off the Iraq war, but it's gonna get much worse bfore it gets better, and i do mean much worse.....
there will come a point where Iraq has to be armed to defend itself from other countries... we'll have to arm them, LOL (right ) we're gonna give them heavy armour and missile defense sytems??? that's insane.... no, we're in there as "cops" for the foreseeable future.... watch the co$t here: http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182
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Would not you like to earn money at that rate!
Hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, thrown away. We could have solved almost all our domestic woes and established a colony on Mars for that amount of money.
What Bush and coherts will not tell America is both Afghanistan and Iraq will end up with Islamic fundamentalist governments, which, in the future, may lean towards support of terrorists.
Maxine Waters was the only person in Congress who voted against the Iraq war. Look how she was treated, even labeled a traitor.
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What Bush and coherts will not tell America is both Afghanistan and Iraq will end up with Islamic fundamentalist governments, which, in the future, may lean towards support of terrorists.
this money could also have been spent in outright bribes to influence the moderate Islamic leaders to assist US much more forcefully in the war on terror... instead? we have isolated ourselves from the world community.
Putin saw his chance to hurt US in this too... he "tweaked" the world oil market with the Yukos deal..... with all due respect PG? i can't sign that petition, or support it... as long as the dems continue to put forth unrealistic plans? they won't gain any traction...
it sounds good, and lofty, but it's not realistic... i know kids that are signing up to go, and i'm not telling not to...
the cultural differences between US and the mideast are so immense that the only answer (i see) is to stop buying mideast oil... that's their only "political capital"... but it's significant... take the oil money? and they are no longer a threat...
Brazil saw this years ago...
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I understand your point of view, Glassman, and will not argue. I do not like either political party, do not support Bush nor Kerry.
We do need, though, to get out of Iraq. Means is unimportant. Loss of American image, is unimportant. What is important is to get America out of our new Vietnam. This is a lost cause, no good will come of this and each day our country is damaged more.
As with Vietnam, we are sending our children to be wounded, to be killed, for nothing.
Many are yelling "stay the course" although our course is headed for disaster.
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maybe this will help: it's old, but it also shows that the admin called the war "over" a long time ago.... (note that it's not a "liberal media outlet")
Surveys pointing to high civilian death toll in Iraq Preliminary reports suggest casualties well above the Gulf War. By Peter Ford | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor BAGHDAD – Evidence is mounting to suggest that between 5,000 and 10,000 Iraqi civilians may have died during the recent war, according to researchers involved in independent surveys of the country.
None of the local and foreign researchers were willing to speak for the record, however, until their tallies are complete.
Such a range would make the Iraq war the deadliest campaign for noncombatants that US forces have fought since Vietnam.
Though it is still too early for anything like a definitive estimate, the surveyors warn, preliminary reports from hospitals, morgues, mosques, and homes point to a level of civilian casualties far exceeding the Gulf War, when 3,500 civilians are thought to have died.
"Thousands are dead, thousands are missing, thousands are captured," says Haidar Taie, head of the tracing department for the Iraqi Red Crescent in Baghdad. "It is a big disaster."
By one measure of violence against noncombatants, as compared with resistance faced by soldiers, the war in Iraq was particularly brutal. In Operation Just Cause, the 1989 http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0522/p01s02-woiq.html
is this how to win friends and influence people?
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they need Jeb to be next president...he's the only person they can trust not to reveal all of the secrets this admin desparately needs to keep hidden... the Weekly Standard is behind this right now... those are the same people that were pushing for the Iraq war before Dubya even got into office....
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quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: This is a lost cause, no good will come of this...
What an effrontery to the men, women and children of Iraq who endured incredible barbarism during Saddam's reign.
What an effrontery to the men and woman of our armed forces, coalition forces and Iraqi men who have died or been injured in the name of expanding freedom and democracy.
What an effrontery to all of the men and women who risked their lives to vote in free elections in Iraq.
Good has come out of this mission in Iraq. The day to day news is troubling, but not fully indicative of the incredible progress being made. I have yet to see anything good out of something that does not require sacrifice - this seems to be how the economy of the universe works. __________
Glass, my statistics are not shady. All one needs to do is cross-reference "violent death rates" in metro area x with those of Iraq. Very simple to do.
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Glass, my statistics are not shady. All one needs to do is cross-reference "violent death rates" in metro area x with those of Iraq. Very simple to do.
Here is the first step: Google
not good enough... you are simply repeating propaganda when you say this: The civilian death rate in Iraq is less than that of Washington, D.C., Detroit, Baltimore, Atlanta, St. Louis and New Orleans. Quick! Sound the retreat...our cities have become more violent than Iraq.
that's the kind of crap rushie puts out every day...
the fact is that the US military has seen to it that there are no Iraq casualty numbers available...it's a matter of policy, and you know not of which you are speaking... i have no problem with the military doing this because i am not under any illusions about this war or war in general....
my anger toward the current admin is how they have treated career people in the military and the intel community to "get the war they wanted" which i suggest to you is exactly what we have right now.... and a lot of people with common sense and integrity have been stepped on and fired and black-balled when they pointed out some the flaws in the plan...
do i think there is some evil master plan? NO... i do think there have been some very stupid choices made, and i am sure there has been a lot of lying going on...
certain Iraqi exiles led a few "deciders" to mess up really really bad...
i am willing to wait until 2009 to find out the rest of the truth...
i find it interesting that you think you know what our enemies want and you also think you know what "effronts" or troops, and the people of iraq...
where'd you get that intel? on the golf course? LOL
"expanding freedom and democracy" ain't happening...
Iraq's constitution is not one of freedom or democracy.. i suggest you actually read it... it's a POS
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I know what our enemies want by simply listening to what they say and watching they do. Lopping off heads, flying planes into buildings and recruiting suicide bombers is not exactly hieroglyphics, glassman.
I know what affronts our troops because I have family serving and friends who have served and lost lives in Iraq. Plus, telling men and women their sacrifice is worthless is not exactly cryptic - even the spinsters in D.C. would blush trying to re-phrase this one.
I know what affronts many people in Iraq by simply reading what they have to say in numerous b l o g s and videos I receive from specific mission groups. THIS JUST IN: Good news does not sell advertising media. Imagine that.
I have reviewed the Iraqi Constitution and while not ideal, it represents amazing progress for this "neck of the woods". The Muslim culture in the Middle East may be one of the most regressive in the world and it is not going to change over night. Good thing people like you were not steering the ship during the formative years of the United States. Hell, it has taken us centuries to get our own Constitution right and it is still a work in progress. Hard to imagine Iraq is going to take some time as well.
I can just imagine if the same cut-and-run mentality was around in the wake of WWII.
And people making comparisons to Vietnam...oh where to begin...
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quote:Originally posted by westcott: Hey...maybe we should contact our Congressman and women and also ask that our Police Officers withdrawal from Washington D.C. and almost every other U.S. major metropolitan area.
The civilian death rate in Iraq is less than that of Washington, D.C., Detroit, Baltimore, Atlanta, St. Louis and New Orleans. Quick! Sound the retreat...our cities have become more violent than Iraq.
How is that? The Baghdad morgue announced yesterday that they've received 1398 civilian bodies in the month of May alone. Alll died as a result of violence. 400 are unidentified, so let's even assume that all 400 of those were insurgents. That's still 998 civilians in May. The count is approaching 6000 civilian bodies on the year.
Compare that with our cities here. If I recall correctly (and if you'd like exact numbers I'll look them up and post them for you), the number of homicides in Baltimore is around 300-400 per year.
Now, explain to me why you're not full of crap.
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mission groups oh, yeah, you have a great "intel" system there...
you know what? i was absolutley correct when i saidi think you and people like you are the reason this mess is so bad...
all the "neat things" they tell you? they wouldn't be designed to get you to make a little bigger donation would they? nah, they'd never do that
the "media" is biased? lol religious missions by their very nature are biased....
heck, you can hold NDOL for a few years and give them that? sheesh man....
good news don't sell, but in general? the media doesn't make up news... unless you include Fox "news", they go over that line pretty often...
look at the basics...oil production before invasion compared to oil productin now...it's bad, bad, bad.. and that's the basic, ultimate bottom line indicator of the health of the Iraq situation.... you don't think the (fixing of the loss of)oil production isn't the top priority of our mission there do you?
Iran has a democratic system too... Palestinain elections? how'd they grabya?
maybe "effrontery" should be based on the level of lies involved?
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1. People need to understand "civilian death rates" are not a basis for retreat.
2. "The Baghdad morgue announced they've received 1398 "civilian" bodies in the month of may alone"; however, 28% of them are "unidentified". Mmmm-kay. How does one determine "civilian" if "unidentified"? So you eliminate these from the count. Okay. How do these 998 translate into a "civilian death rate"? Perhaps you could provide the math when you are completed.
3. You throw some numbers around about how many people are murdered in Baltimore per year. :::Shrug::: How does this translate into a death rate?
4. The latest statistics I read are available here: Source and look to be accurate through 03 May 2006.
Iraq: 27.51 per 100,000 Venezuela: 31.61 per 100,000 Jamaica: 32.40 per 100,000 South Africa: 49.60 per 100,000 Colombia: 61.78 per 100,000 Washington, D.C.: 45.9 per 100,000 Detroit: 41.8 per 100,000 Baltimore: 37.7 per 100,000 Atlanta: 34.9 per 100,000 St. Louis: 31.4 per 100,000 New Orleans (pre-Katrina): 53.1 per 100,000 __________
Now, call me "full of crap" all you want. I would appreciate an unbiased analysis of the numbers provided above and if they prove to be wrong then why? I am open to matters of truth amending my understanding of a given situation. So, I guess you need to show me how these statistics are "full of crap". After all, I neither came up with these on my own nor pulled them out of thin air.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: lol religious missions by their very nature are biased....
I am sorry. Could you please cut and paste where I mentioned "religious" mission groups?
You wouldn't go around making such assumptions now would you, glassman. After all, that would make you look pretty stupid.
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oh i know you didn't say religous... you think you're the first "good news" person to post here?
where's Kate? you still with US Kate?
which sites W? make me look stupid. show me the good news sites so i can be enlightened? don't forget? i'll find out who pays for those sites....
i read far and wide.... i watch Fox, New American Century, and National Public Radio... i constantly attempt to sort out who has which bias....
address the "death rate" stats again? you're source? i assume those are in fact death rates and have nothing to do with war....
how about kidnapping rates? got any o'them? Iraqi gunmen kill Russian diplomat, kidnap four Last Updated Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:59:15 EDT CBC News
Gunmen shot and killed a Russian embassy employee in Baghdad Saturday.
The Russian was killed when unidentified assailants blocked an embassy car in Baghdad, shot one person and kidnapped four others.
An Iraqi police source later said the hostages had been rescued by special forces, but the report could not be confirmed.
It was not known whether the attack on the Russian vehicle was politically motivated, but kidnappings have become common in Baghdad since the U.S. invasion in 2003. At least 439 foreigners and diplomats have been abducted in Iraq since the invasion, according to figures provided this month by a U.S. anti-kidnapping task force.
how's that compare to Balitmore? *snicker*
The Russian diplomat was one of at least 42 people who were killed in Iraq Saturday in one of the deadliest days since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.
i'm not even anti-war.... i toldja, my distaste is for propaganda, and the marching morons....
you want to say that people shouldn't critisize the war cuz it's an effront to those that have made sacrifices? i say the people who have made sacrifices deserve the right to know what's really going on..... what they made the sacrifice for... this crap about spreading freedom and democracy is horsehockey... you can't GIVE people this stuff... they have to be willing to die for it... the way the terrorists are running around in Iraq would be a strong indicator that the locals are either supporting theterroists OR they are totally in awe of them... either way? we can't GIVE the Iraqi people freedom.
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but it seems they stopped adding after this post: Legendary Iraqi marshes slowly on the mend Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 12:00 AM Despite certain, er, unfortunate events elsewhere in the country, one part of Iraq, subject to some of deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's worst crimes, is experiencing a glimmer of hope.
that's '05 not '06.... as a matter of fact? almost every site is from 04, with only a few that are '05.... who'd of suspected that?
what about you W? that boat is idling after all....
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: oh i know you didn't say religous...
Concession noted.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you want to say that people shouldn't critisize the war cuz it's an effront to those that have made sacrifices?
Glassman, please stay focused here...I am imploring you.
You have a very annoying tendency to read something I post, completely misconstrue it and then later attribute something to me that I never said.
Example: I never said that, "...people shouldn't critisize the war cuz it's an effront to those that have made sacrifices?". Never said this...not even close.
I am open to responsible criticism of the war. I am not open to people saying, "This is a lost cause, no good will come of this...". How does this statement impact soldiers who believe in their mission and have laid it all on the line? I am sure they have criticisms as well; however, saying "no good will come out of this" is ignorant, short-sighted, mean-spirited and exceedingly offensive to anyone who has sacrificed anything for this effort. A great deal of good has come out of the War in Iraq.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: we can't GIVE the Iraqi people freedom.
Really? And to imagine this whole time I thought we could just hand-out freedom. Silly me...now back to reality: I am sorry if you do not understand the difference in the United States and her coalition forces giving the Iraqi people a chance for freedom and, as you put it, "giving them freedom". It is really not difficult to comprehend.
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but it seems they stopped adding after this post: Legendary Iraqi marshes slowly on the mend Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 12:00 AM Despite certain, er, unfortunate events elsewhere in the country, one part of Iraq, subject to some of deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's worst crimes, is experiencing a glimmer of hope.
that's '05 not '06....
Hey look...I went to Google and did a search for "Good News in Iraq" and looked at one website. The news was bad; ergo, there must not be any good news in Iraq.
This stuff is priceless, glassman - please keep posting your thought process on issues while I grab a beer.
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You have a very annoying tendency to read something I post, completely misconstrue it and then later attribute something to me that I never said.
Example: I never said that, "...people shouldn't critisize the war cuz it's an effront to those that have made sacrifices?". Never said this...not even close.
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quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: This is a lost cause, no good will come of this...
What an effrontery to the men, women and children of Iraq who endured incredible barbarism during Saddam's reign.
What an effrontery to the men and woman of our armed forces, coalition forces and Iraqi men who have died or been injured in the name of expanding freedom and democracy.
What an effrontery to all of the men and women who risked their lives to vote in free elections in Iraq.
Good has come out of this mission in Iraq. The day to day news is troubling, but not fully indicative of the incredible progress being made. I have yet to see anything good out of something that does not require sacrifice - this seems to be how the economy of the universe works. __________
Glass, my statistics are not shady. All one needs to do is cross-reference "violent death rates" in metro area x with those of Iraq. Very simple to do.
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i guess i'm not sure what you were trying to say W....
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quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: As long as that criticism meets with your approval.
Wrong.
quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: I am not surprised you admantly insist America lie to itself and lie to its troops, just like we did during Vietnam.
Where have I insisted America lie to itself and to its troops?
Please provide my quotes to underpin this point you are attempting to make.
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"Please provide my quotes to underpin this point you are attempting to make."
Why? All you will do is write in circles.
Besides, if I write something you do not like, chances are good you will file a complaint with the SEC, with moderators, with Bob Frey, with your mother.... just like in the past.
Professionals would label you co-dependent.
I would counter, "That ain't so! The boy is a psychotic control freak!"
quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: "Please provide my quotes to underpin this point you are attempting to make."
Why? All you will do is write in circles.
I enjoyed the meringue you used to cover up the fact you came up empty.
Entertaining and transparent at the same time - kudos! __________
Glassman,
I believe Gary Sinise and Laura Hillenbrand started a foundation that has brought some incredible good to the children of Iraq. If you have the time then surf around on their site, read letters from soldiers, Iraqi school children, volunteers, etc. None of this would have been possible if we did not choose to move on Saddam. Operation Iraqi Children
Even if you disagree with the war then you have to admit some good has come out of so much tragedy.
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