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Are some of these people so brainwashed at a young age do they really know what they are fighting for, or are they fighting for someone that is using their ignorance? The one thing that amazes me is that these people do not realize that their higher ranking officers do not do these suicide bombings very often. Saddam did not take his own life for the cause. I wonder how many of these fighters are using those drugs they grow over there? that always has help in other wars for these suicide missions. I think sometimes we give these people more credit than they deserve, lets untie the hands of the military and i bet these suicide missions drop dramatically. Justin66 i hate to hear that sorry.
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That question could apply to the US Military.
quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Are some of these people so brainwashed at a young age do they really know what they are fighting for, or are they fighting for someone that is using their ignorance?
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You have no ground to stand on to justify that statement. YOUR military is not forced to fight. When I signed the contract, I knew what I was getting myself into. It was my option to join YOUR military. I knew that my life could end from my actions, as did my brother. The US Military does not brainwash their recruits. Nor do they make people commit suicide for their country.
As I said earlier, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Gordon Bennett that's where we disagree, our soldiers do have to be condition when you go thru training in the military to get ready for combat, but you are never really ready, it is more of a game prior to combat, this is for their protection and they are not being told they can do anything they want. These suicide bombers are being fed this stuff at young ages with no rules to follow.
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I can not answer for these soldiers, but when Vietnam was going on i think in general it was to do your duty for your country and to try and keep you and your fellow soldier alive. The less you get involved with the politics of the war the better you off we were as soldiers, you have enough problems to deal with in combat.
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That makes sense, and I agree. But why is it a different standard for the enemy? Why are they expected to understand, while our soldiers are not?
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Maybe you can tell me what we're fighting for, since I apparently don't know.
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Gordon Bennett, I think maybe it to late for me to think this hard, i am not sure who "they" are? It appears that there are many different groups over in Iraq fighting, but other people have more upclose knowledge of that than me. Bottom line for me at this point of the war is that i feel we do not have a good plan to win or a good plan to exit, and i want to see these casualties stop.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: No, but we do have a PRESIDENT that takes advantage of his people for his own benefit.
quote:Originally posted by justin66: We don't have a dictator that takes advantage of his people for his own benefit.
dont forget all his buddies who helped get him into office. and all the ultra convenient ties to the companies who get to rebuild everything we blow up and "lose" billions of dollars in the process.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: No, but we do have a PRESIDENT that takes advantage of his people for his own benefit.
quote:Originally posted by justin66: We don't have a dictator that takes advantage of his people for his own benefit.
don't forget all his buddies who helped get him into office. and all the ultra convenient ties to the companies who get to rebuild everything we blow up and "lose" billions of dollars in the process.
You leftists act like this is exclusive to the current administration.... Get over it liberals, this kind of abuse has been going on for a very long time. Democrats and Republicans alike. It's called politics.
Conveniently however, liberals only seem to take notice or admit the abuse occurs when the other side is in power.
Don't get me wrong, I don't condone it, just sick of you people acting like this is something new.
Remember Clinton and his donations from COMMUNIST CHINA?
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quote:You leftists act like this is exclusive to the current administration.... Get over it liberals, this kind of abuse has been going on for a very long time. Democrats and Republicans alike. It's called politics.
Conveniently however, liberals only seem to take notice or admit the abuse occurs when the other side is in power.
Don't get me wrong, I don't condone it, just sick of you people acting like this is something new.
Remember Clinton and his donations from COMMUNIST CHINA?
so? are you now agreeing with my position that there is almost no difference beteween the political parties after all?
and that the few differences they do have? they blow all out of proportion and sensatioanlise them?
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The only really good thing that came out of this war was saddam was pulled out of a hole and his two welp brats got porked now we sould come home.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: No, but we do have a PRESIDENT that takes advantage of his people for his own benefit.
quote:Originally posted by justin66: We don't have a dictator that takes advantage of his people for his own benefit.
don't forget all his buddies who helped get him into office. and all the ultra convenient ties to the companies who get to rebuild everything we blow up and "lose" billions of dollars in the process.
You leftists act like this is exclusive to the current administration.... Get over it liberals, this kind of abuse has been going on for a very long time. Democrats and Republicans alike. It's called politics.
Conveniently however, liberals only seem to take notice or admit the abuse occurs when the other side is in power.
Don't get me wrong, I don't condone it, just sick of you people acting like this is something new.
Remember Clinton and his donations from COMMUNIST CHINA?
what makes you think im a leftist?? because i oppose government corruption? you can search around my previous posts i am no leftist or democrat i personally believe that no matter what "party" a politican comes from they are still a politican and therefor cannot be trusted, these people only get into office to make better more well-connected business deals, thats it. The government is nothing but legalised extortion as long as i pay my taxes they could give a damn less about me, and its kinda funny that any time the government finds a profitable business they make it illegal and do it themselves.. ie the lottery, marijuana.. previously run by the mafia and drug cartels now its reserved for state agencies and pfizer. (but now they get their cut)
So get off the us vs. them crap with the left/right im simply a citizen concerned for the well being of the country i live in...
btw. when bush leaves in 2008 do i think things will magically get better,rep.or dem. nope just the same crap from a different person. More theft,bribery,scandals,business deals,etc. its all about money.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "So Iraq under Saddam wasn't a threat eh? He was contained "inside the box"?"
Yes, Iraq was not a threat!
Iraq was already a beaten country, essentially under complete control by the UN.
And before you go to the party line memo of talking points about the graft in the funds alloted Iraq for health requirements, etc., ballance that amount with just the over charges by Haliburton for just one month. Oh, you say, it won't ballance? Even for just a month's worth of Halibutron? Too short you say to match. Well, what do you know about that!
Korea was and is a threat. So was and is Iran. But our appointed king and his cadre of Iran/Contra veterans (criminals), can't handle even Iraq. Iraq posed NO danger to the US and was too well controled by the UN to be mush problem, even in the local area.
Get off the Party line propaganda machine.
Have you ever considered how far behind in achieving weapons that could threaten the world's peace Iran would be if this same cadre of war mongers in this administration had not, while working from the Reagan Administration, traded first class modern up to date US weapons and technical data on even more powerful weapons to Iran to get money to illegally fund the Contras?
Ever wondered if the reason these guys could feel so absolutely certain that Saddam had a cache of WMDs is because they gave him WMDs back when they were in the Reagan Administration? Poor guys, how could they know Saddam had done exactly like he said (and the records said, by the way) and destroyed them. Just can't trust those dictators, can you.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "So Iraq under Saddam wasn't a threat eh? He was contained "inside the box"?"
Yes, Iraq was not a threat!
Iraq was already a beaten country, essentially under complete control by the UN.
And before you go to the party line memo of talking points about the graft in the funds alloted Iraq for health requirements, etc., ballance that amount with just the over charges by Haliburton for just one month. Oh, you say, it won't ballance? Even for just a month's worth of Halibutron? Too short you say to match. Well, what do you know about that!
Korea was and is a threat. So was and is Iran. But our appointed king and his cadre of Iran/Contra veterans (criminals), can't handle even Iraq. Iraq posed NO danger to the US and was too well controled by the UN to be mush problem, even in the local area.
Get off the Party line propaganda machine.
Have you ever considered how far behind in achieving weapons that could threaten the world's peace Iran would be if this same cadre of war mongers in this administration had not, while working from the Reagan Administration, traded first class modern up to date US weapons and technical data on even more powerful weapons to Iran to get money to illegally fund the Contras?
Ever wondered if the reason these guys could feel so absolutely certain that Saddam had a cache of WMDs is because they gave him WMDs back when they were in the Reagan Administration? Poor guys, how could they know Saddam had done exactly like he said (and the records said, by the way) and destroyed them. Just can't trust those dictators, can you.
Dont know what ur smoking but my guess It was the same thing Bill was smoking with Monica. prolly had a real high THC content. If you read or listen to the news lately, we recovered tapes that leave no doubt whatsoever that he had WMD's and that he managed to hide from the UN and/or move shortly b4 invasion. Course that means nothing if your determined to avoid letting facts get in the way of a good political argument.
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we recovered tapes that leave no doubt whatsoever that he had WMD's and that he managed to hide from the UN
my understanding of the FULL interpretation of those tapes is just the opposite:
Saddam managed to conceal from some of his own people that he had destroyed all of the WMD.
if you are refering to his son's bragging about the fact that "obody knows how much WMD" they had? this fits with a braggards profile. consider also that these nuts were very paranoid about being attacked by Iran or other countries in the area and needed to maintain a facade....
this recent news peice brings some very interesting "stuff" to the table:
Saddam-era foreign minister denies spying for CIA
By Agence France Presse (AFP)
Thursday, March 23, 2006
AMMAN: Naji Sabri, Iraq's foreign minister under Saddam Hussein, denied Wednesday a report he provided the CIA with information about the deposed regime's alleged weapons of mass destruction. "The information carried by the American channel NBC are lies, totally fabricated and unfounded," Sabri told AFP in a telephone interview, in his first public remarks since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.
"After the lies about the weapons of mass destruction which do not exist and the alleged links with Al-Qaeda, it seems that this new lie is aimed at giving a new fake pretext to justify the crime of the century: the invasion of Iraq."
NBC reported on Monday that Sabri spied for the CIA and traded information on Saddam's alleged weapons program in return for a $100,000 payment, in a French-sponsored New York City hotel room meeting. U.S. intelligence agents believe Sabri was fully aware he was selling information to the CIA, the report said.
before you scoff: consider that we never went after this guy after we invaded Iraq... he was never "in the deck of cards" and he is still running around free
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: "So Iraq under Saddam wasn't a threat eh? He was contained "inside the box"?"
Yes, Iraq was not a threat!
Iraq was already a beaten country, essentially under complete control by the UN.
And before you go to the party line memo of talking points about the graft in the funds alloted Iraq for health requirements, etc., ballance that amount with just the over charges by Haliburton for just one month. Oh, you say, it won't ballance? Even for just a month's worth of Halibutron? Too short you say to match. Well, what do you know about that!
Korea was and is a threat. So was and is Iran. But our appointed king and his cadre of Iran/Contra veterans (criminals), can't handle even Iraq. Iraq posed NO danger to the US and was too well controled by the UN to be mush problem, even in the local area.
Get off the Party line propaganda machine.
Have you ever considered how far behind in achieving weapons that could threaten the world's peace Iran would be if this same cadre of war mongers in this administration had not, while working from the Reagan Administration, traded first class modern up to date US weapons and technical data on even more powerful weapons to Iran to get money to illegally fund the Contras?
Ever wondered if the reason these guys could feel so absolutely certain that Saddam had a cache of WMDs is because they gave him WMDs back when they were in the Reagan Administration? Poor guys, how could they know Saddam had done exactly like he said (and the records said, by the way) and destroyed them. Just can't trust those dictators, can you.
Dont know what ur smoking but my guess It was the same thing Bill was smoking with Monica. prolly had a real high THC content. If you read or listen to the news lately, we recovered tapes that leave no doubt whatsoever that he had WMD's and that he managed to hide from the UN and/or move shortly b4 invasion. Course that means nothing if your determined to avoid letting facts get in the way of a good political argument.
Well, I know what you are drinking. It's the Republican Party line brand of koolade that fools believe makes all those absurd lies palatable.
I didn't know that drinking that stuff effected the hearing and the logic, but it's cleaar you didn't hear them because they say absolutley nothing that supports the lies the Administration has told about Iraq and Saddam.
Hey. stop the drinking long enough to hear the truth and the facts. Bush was told by reliable sources that all his BS about Saddam was exactly that. b--l s--t. It's still b--l s--t when you repeat it now.
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quote:The Russian government collected intelligence from sources inside the American military command as the U.S. mounted the invasion of Iraq, and the Russians fed information to Saddam Hussein on troop movements and plans, according to Iraqi documents cited in a Pentagon report released Friday.
quote:Iraqi documents released as part of the Pentagon report asserted that the Russians relayed information to Saddam through their ambassador in Baghdad during the opening days of the war in late March and early April 2003, including a crucial time before the ground assault on Baghdad.
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NR needs to learn to read and learn what things say rather than continually reporting that trash talk he gets from Fat Rush the Doper and the Nazi Party of America.
That BS he's refering to and claiming the Russians were secreting to Saddam was being reported publically on our own news programs, reporting on what our own military was saying openly, which probably is where the Russians got it. My God, the koolade drinkers memories is as faulty as the memory of their Lord and Master, Sir dubya, The Great Prevaricator.
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Iraq was never a military threat to the US and that is a military fact look how easy they went down. They were much to the bad luck of the Iraq people sitting on a pile of oil and they were a threat to there neighbors who were just as militarty wise a bunch of 2nd rate 3rd world loosers of a foe who still should be fighting with swords at least they understand that tech. You know the history you can give a pig a state of the art tank but if a pig can't use it all you have is a pig and a tank.
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the Russians were DIS-informing Sadam... LOL.... they convinced him to sit in Baghdad and wait for US....
Remember? when President George W. Bush gazed into the eyes of Russian President Vladimir Putin and decided he knew the man's soul, here was a man he could trust?
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What's really amazing and mind boggling is that these Party Loyalist are still trying to get people to believe that Saddam was even a whisper of a problem and going into Iraq was a worthy cause FOR ANY REASON.
BUSH LIED! That's the sum and total of it.
Historians in the future may differ on why he did, but not the futality of the invasion or the deceptions.
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Who in there right mind would not accept the fact that Bush lied he can say over and over that he did not, and some will believe but if you do not turn a blind eye to the truth there is no doubt HE LIED. And lots of people lost there lives because of it and the world is a less secure place to live because of it.
bdgee the only reason that the kool-aide dinkers say Iraq was a worthy cause is the fact that the majority don't have to and won't go and serve . I know these people like I know the back of my hand I work with a lot of them they talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.
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September 11, 2001 Soudi Arabian terrorists attack America While 20,000 American troops were deployed in Soudi Arabia to Protect King Saad from the Soudi people.
At the World Trade Center Towers in New York City and The Pentagon Americans were dying. While the troops in Soudi Arabia were enjoying imported Philapino prostitutes, and getting drunk.
Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Kuwait, United Arab Emerates, and many other dictatorships also enjoy the protection of American troops and millitary aid.The people of these countrys have suffered long enough. And they need freedom a bill of rights and a constitution, and then ellections. Not like in Iraq where the people voted in their next dictator. And all natural resources are controlled by the government, and all contracts for transporting and distributing the resources are government controlled. Its like the Bush admin started its own commi \ facist police state in Iraq
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great reading here i just want to add my 2 cents. Because i wasn't aware of this thread even less the forum for all talk. but ive though before how they never found wmd, they couldnt link hussein to anything, this was a personal war for bush. and I KNOW that if some country invaded us and took our president, the country would be pissed like who the hell do they think they are...then u got these people occupying our country so what do people start doing? rioting...acting out....killers able to kill with minimal risk...thats whats going on now in iraq....bush is the real CRIMINAL should be charged with kidnapping, and exploitation, and i dunno what else to say!
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"IMO? it's also important that Bush be stripped of pardonning powers..."
I don't see much real value in impeaching the fool, but finding a way to stop the pardons of this bunch is important.
Just how many of his "crew" already have been saved from federal prison terms by previous pardons and hanky-panky by congressional committees? I haven't counted, but instead of serving the time they earned, they populate the Administration and the sunday TV talk shows making mega-bucks.
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I haven't counted, but instead of serving the time they earned, they populate the Administration and the sunday TV talk shows making mega-bucks
yup...
and spend all their time trying to convince US that the "liberal media" is destroying our great nation too.. sheeesh.. i just want justice..no more, no less..
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