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After many years of walking the political path in life lock-step with the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter, I have recently come to the conclusion that I have been all wrong.

Endless media reports, countless statements from high ranking government officials, and months of discussion with All-stocks elite "Off-Topic" posters like Glassman, Bdgee and the former 4Art, have caused me to have an epiphany.

Saddam was innocent, and Bush is the real dictator.

Refreshing as it is to see the err of my ways, I am frightened by the implications of it.

George Bush rigged an election in order to maintain power. He used family, political and monetary influence to sway the outcome of an election in his favor. His Nazi administration came to power by means outside of "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".

George "Hitler" Bush lied about Saddam having WMD's. After all we never found any right? The Bush administration "cherry picked" intelligence information in order to create a false case against Saddam, who was innocent, but sitting on one of the largest oil fields in the world. Bush, being a greedy Texas oil man motivated by personal vendettas, ("...he tried to kill my dad..."), lied to start an unjustified, unneeded war.

George Bush and the GOP gestapo have subverted the constitution and can spy on you without a warrant. If they see something they don't like, they arrest you as an enemy combatant and throw you in jail without a lawyer or a phone call, for an indefinite period of time. If you do not cooperate, they can have you tortured.

Indeed these are dark times.

One more thing, however. Despite the horror I have awaken to, I have found a silver lining in the dark cloud that is the past 6 years of King George's reign.

Two more years.

George Bush will be gone in two years. America will elect a new president and get back to being the way it always was before the dictator came:

Perfect.

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whoa...Bush being what he is does *not* mean Saddam was a kewl guy.

easy does it on the epiphany stuff, big fella...

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rove has also used this tactic effectively for too long...

people are sick of it too....

sadam was guilty, and so are plenty of others...

including that guy Bush was holding hands with from saudi arabia....

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which tactic?

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the tactic of making ridiculous claims like:

Saddam was innocent, and Bush is the real dictator.


i have never said bush is a dictator or that sadam was "innocent"...

i'm not "happy" about most of this...

sadam was what he was... there'll be more...

our culture in America is so different from all other cultures that Americans have a hard time understanding why leaders like Sadam or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad exist, but throughout history? THEY are the norm and WE are the abberration... if we expect to "export" our way of life to other peoples? we are gonna have to do it in a different way...

[ February 10, 2006, 22:08: Message edited by: glassman ]

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Hahahaha, he is really simple minded enough to think that dishonest BS will work on us.

Hey, NR, forgetaboutit doofus.

Half of what you say is true, but Saddam is a mean crooked lying S O B too.

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gotcha...

that means we can't simply close the borders, however: our best "PR" is students from other countries who return home, eh?

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"close" the border? nah, just tighten it up to a safer level...

from the Gospelcom.net
Iranian president outlaws new converts.
February 10, 2006
Iran (MNN)--Sources with Open Doors say Iran's President dealt a severe blow to believers by outlawing Muslims who convert to Christianinity.

According to one ODM worker (unnamed for security reasons), the word is that mayors have been given the order to crack down on all Christian cell groups.

http://www.mnnonline.org/article/8295

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you may remember a fairly recent post of mine--basically, if "they" wanted to close the border with Mexico?

Saw some congressman or other on the new this am, stridently pounding that message...in fact, he invoked the Prez in particular

Still...my point is that foreigners who come and live here are our best "advocates," once they go home...

"Hey, it's pretty rare you get your door busted down at midnight by gov't guys in black hoods"...

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they rarely go home [Wink]


hollyweed could help too...
by making movies that "enlighten" different cultures about each other...
instead of "rambo"izing everybody

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Was it worth all the lives lost, the $241,000,000,000 (and counting) in borrowed money, and the boost given to terrorist groups worldwide by the growing sentiment of disgust for the U.S. Government, just to oust an ineffective dictator that was no threat to the USA?

Meanwhile, the mastermind of the 9/11 attack is still at large.

quote:
Originally posted by NaturalResources:
Saddam was innocent, and Bush is the real dictator.



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No the way things turned out it does not look like it is or will be worth it.

So I say give saddam his ten minuet trial and then a rope and come home.

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The lives that were given up for your freedom, were worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No life in this invasion of Iraq was given up for my freedom. Those lives were sacraficed to build a cover to stop people from looking any closer at a stolen election and to "manufacture" a way to transfer the money the poor and middle class, paid in taxes, into the pockets of the very very wealthy so they could take it off shore and never pay taxes.
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As soon as I see a life that was given up for my freedom, I might agree. There have been none in this war so far.

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The lives that were given up for your freedom, were worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Originally posted by Kate:
The lives that were given up for your freedom, were worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!


I keep my freedom and I fought for so called freedom for other people.
I would never say that all those deaths were fought for the the benifit of my freedom here in this country

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Saddam is not innocent are you mad? that statement is so frivilous.

i am a republican and i want bush gone....it couldnt happen any sooner. he has buit a very scary regime. you all know what i mean and am talking about.

i want things back to normal...clinton was not normal...we seemed to be pretty good under regan didnt we?

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If Saddam would have let the UN inspectors do there jobs he would still have his job.

Not sure why the guy didn't let them but that was reason enough for me to remove him.

Next!

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CashCowMoo,


"we seemed to be pretty good under regan didnt we?"

No, that is a fairy tale the republicans foster. This is Reagan's crew in power now. They were just as dishonest and crooked then, but between daddy Bush and Reagan they all got off on "arranged" technicalities or Presidential pardons. You hid your head in the sand back then and declared it was ok to coddle these crooks and look what you brought on us!

This damned Party first sickness MUST be ended. This is America! Stop voting for the party to be in POWER! That's been the route to dictatorship time after time, country after country. (And don't give me that BS about Democrats do it too. We are infested with the Republican party and it is the Republican Party that is the clear and present danger. No excuses and no more Party line rhetoric to make it look like it's a the democrats too. Do what is right for the Country.)

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Geezz bdgee, I haven't had my second cup of coffee..

Politics before fish farming this AM? yuck!

J/K ing ya dude...

Reagan? never payed that much attention to the Gipper...Just remember how interest rates came down, and I made some fast money in realestate..

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"Just remember how interest rates came down, and I made some fast money in realestate.."

That should mean you would have loved Clinton.

That doesn't excuse Reagan for training and protecting this gang of crooks, all in the name of the PARTY!

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Yep, did well when Bubba was banging away...

Seemed to be a stalemate government, great for buisiness..

Things really started picking up at the end of the Bush Senior administration, then wobbled a bit with Bubba, and then took off..

I made and spent some serious doe in those days.
Behind the scenes government officials and cronies Banked some serious bucks..

Same O same O this administration is just to stupid to know how to play the game.

If W would of spent more time partying and getting laid, everything would of worked out just fine..Whoops! forgot about the fact we would of still had Fast Draw Cheney.!

I just don't think we have any good political stock left, to much in-breeding.

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What a simple time we could of had if not for 9/11

W probably could of been contained as just good ole dull boy, that spent most of his time fishing with his Dad..

Well, on to the market, and some DOE!

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Deep down inbside, he was a potential dictator wanna be all along......

A leopard can't change his spots. Whatever is hiding them gets washed off or he has to come out from behind the bushes and be seen to be spotted.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bob Frey:
If Saddam would have let the UN inspectors do there jobs he would still have his job.

Not sure why the guy didn't let them but that was reason enough for me to remove him.

Next!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/saddam_tapes

... "Hussein Kamel, a son-in-law of Saddam's, who was then in charge of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction efforts, explained how Iraq held back information from the U.N. inspectors.

"We did not reveal all that we have," he said. "We did not reveal the volume of chemical weapons we had produced."

Kamel said Iraq had not revealed "the type of weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported."

Hussein Kamel defected to Jordan shortly after the tapes were recorded, and Iraq was forced to admit it had concealed its biological weapons program. Kamel returned to Iraq in February 1996 and was killed by security forces." ...

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NR, you fooled me.

The depth of your intelect does indeed rival the thickness of a sheet of Zig Zag. I had thought it much much more shallow. My appologies.

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i really am amazed, i just can't understand why anybody would act tougher than they really are [Roll Eyes]

i'm also amazed that it never occurred to anybody to enlist sadam in the war against terror....

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Our government worked with him in the past...

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Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of
President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on
December 20, 1983.



quote:
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i'm also amazed that it never occurred to anybody to enlist sadam in the war against terror....



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"i really am amazed, i just can't understand why anybody would act tougher than they really are [Roll Eyes]"

Glass... you never dodged the draft and don't have reason to act tough.

"i'm also amazed that it never occurred to anybody to enlist sadam in the war against terror...."

It did occur to any number of people that were then shouted down with a vengence that sugested if they didn't shut up the FBI might be tapping their phone and reading their mail. Then guess wha?


The he-man mentality used to assess the situation decided that Saddam would be an easy target to build up with lies and propaganda into an evil on the world and still be easy to wipe out.

These wanna be military minds just are too limited in imagination to understand that John Wayne was a ficticious character playing a script where the writer could control things.

In the real world, no one likes or trust a bully and no one controls the feelings and emotions of the bystander that has his world over turned by the attitude that describes what stands in place of diplomacy and compromise "shock and awe"

They weren't shocked or awed! The Iraqis are an educated society, perhaps not so much as us, but they are not a backward bunch of fools...they already knew the might of the U.S. was beyond their means to resist. instead of shocked or awed, they are insensed that anyone would play the bully that way.

In short, they are pissed and want to get even.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
Our government worked with him in the past...

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Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of
President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on
December 20, 1983.



quote:
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i'm also amazed that it never occurred to anybody to enlist sadam in the war against terror....


Worked with him?

Shoot, We put him in power!

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser01:
quote:
Originally posted by Gordon Bennett:
Our government worked with him in the past...

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Shaking Hands: Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of
President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on
December 20, 1983.



quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i'm also amazed that it never occurred to anybody to enlist sadam in the war against terror....


Worked with him?

Shoot, We put him in power!

All the more reason why it was our responsibility to make sure he was removed from power...

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Pretzel logic.

quote:
Originally posted by NaturalResources:
All the more reason why it was our responsibility to make sure he was removed from power...



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yeah, and then what NR?

in case you haven't noticed? the whole mideast is becoming destabilised....

there was a good reason to do business with sadam....
Iran

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NR, you are really too much.

We did indeed put him in power and anything thereafter we may do will NEVER remove the stain on our standing in the world, including lying to the whole world in an attempt to make your hero draft dodging deserter coward look like a real man, by illegally invading Iraq to remove the dictator Reagan installed.

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