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A person with low self-esteem will often try to boost his own ego by demeaning others; like pointing out his opponent's spelling errors and with baseless put-downs like 'commie,' etc.
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Yeah, a low self-esteem.......or inadequate information to succede in debat. Then they resort to insult, name calling, and false claims, hoping to hide that fact that they have lost..
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Well, I agree up to a point. You aren't willing to do the work to actually debate any one or to understand when you aren't succeding. You just insult whomever you want and call that winning.
Bye, now.....
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"most of the communist countries became that way democratically"
Let's examine that statement by investigating the various communist nations. Information provided by Wikipedia.
Soviet Union - Revolution 1917 China - Civil War Vietnam - Revolution against France/Civil War North Korea - Soviet occupation after WWII Poland - Soviet invasion and occupation after WWII East Germany - Soviet invasion and occupation after WWII Yugoslavia - Partisan rising to dictatorship after WWII Bulgaria - Soviet invasion and occupation after WWII Czechoslovakia - Soviet invasion and occupation after WWII Hungary - Soviet invasion and occupation after WWII Romania - Soviet invasion and occupation after WWII Albania - Partisan rising to dictatorship after WWII Laos - Revolution Ethiopia - Military takeover South Yemen - Peacefull takeover Angola - Controlling party switched ideologies
So, not a single communist nation became that way democratically. In fact only one became communist through a means other than forced occupation or war, South Yemen
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Well, not going into details on the misrepresentations you have made (both the means of going communist and countries that simply are not communist), you have managed to list about 20% of the communist countries
When a people take charge of a nation and install a government, that is a democratic movement. Note that the US broke free of England and adapted it's governmment after a civil war and we insist that was a democratic movement. You might want to rethink your claim that China (and other countries) didn't go communist democratically.
Now, try listing all those purely capitalistic countries that are democratic. Very shoprt list isn't it.
Compare it to a list of those capitalistic countries that are monarchies or dictatorships.
OH! Not too short a list at all, is it.
Democracy is action BY the people and may result in societies entirely different to that of the US, with governments we do not even approve of, like Iran!
By the way, The US Government is a republic, not a democracy.
and includ
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There has never been a true communist country on the face of the earth yet. There have been socialist countries that were led by communist.And that is all period. There have been communist that have led the revolution such as you mentioned but all have failed to turn there nations to communism. And they have been over thrown way before they have got to there goal. For better or worst so to speak. Just another mistake our great Mr. Bush makes. Simply put the communist become a class themselves and ruling elite. The old Soviet Union was the most perfect example of that. The communist party was the class of of ruling elite that skimed the cream for themselves. But until anybody can show me a completely classless society that has ever existed on the earth besides the most primitive of tribelisum. I will stand by what I have just said.
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I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here. George W. Bush, speaking at President's Economic Forum, Waco, Texas, August 2002
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I've only listed 20% of the Communist countries. Fascinating, please list the other 64 communist nations. You might find one or two that I missed.
You won't go into the misrepresentations I made because I made none.
A Democratic movement is through the election process, not military or physical force. Try again.
I have no interest in listing purely capitalist countries that are democratic. I simply want to correct another of your blatent lies that "most of the communist countries became that way democratically".
By the way, I've known for a LONG time that the United States is a Republic. I'm not sure why you decided to mention that but for once, you are correct.
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I believe we established the United States is a Republic.
Revolution does not count as an example of "communist countries became that way democratically".
Revolution is a way of overthrowing the previous government.
Our revolution against the English King was not a democratic process.
Upon gaining independance however, the founding fathers sat down and created a representative democracy. That is when we became a Republic.
Taking over power by force as a political entity and maintaining it as the revolutianary communists did is NOT a democratic process, nor did they later establish a democratic process. You statement remains incorrect.
I'm still waiting on those 63 other communist nations.
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How would you guys list Chile and the election of 1970. Salvador Allende the first Marxist to be freely elected and the following right wing coup that disposed him.
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The whole world, including Allende, Says he was communist. That is, the whole world, less aragorn243, whose purpose is to try and redefine terms so that he can claim not to have been corrected......AGAIN.
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Let me see, now. In order to discount elections that result in communist control, Aragorn243 has determined that a government formed after a forceful overthrough of a nation cannot be democratic.
OK, I'll work under that assumption for the moment......Denote that assumption, by name, as "Aragorn243's Postulate".
As with any postulate, Aragorn243's Postulate may not be violated, either directly or indirectly.
Thus,
Q.E.D. The government being organized in Iraq and resulting from the overthrow of Saddam cannot then be democratic, via Aragorn243's Postulate. Moreover, any claim to the effect that Bush has allowed the people of iraq to vote to become democratic is nonsense.
Do I even need to formally state the Theorem?
Hey, personally, I have to like that logical development. After all, I have consistantly pointed out the aburdity of calling a government that was forced on a population democratic.
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How did you ever come up with I determined that a government formed after a forcefull overthrow of a nation cannot be democratic?
It obviously has, the United States is a prime example of it.
I guess what you are trying to suggest is that after all these forcefull overthrows by communist powers of other nations, these communist powers just sat back and let the democratic process take place.
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I'll tell you who's a communist loser..... Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, (the two biggest loud mouths), Al Gore, Al Frankin, Tammy Bruce, Nancy Grace, Ted Kennedy, The Dixie Chicks, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, Alec Baldwin and all the rest of the Baldwins, Martin Sheen, Cindy Sheehan, Dr. Phil, Oprah Winfrey, Maury Povich, Dan Rather, San Francisco Mayor, Gavin Newsom and his entire city, The whole cast of "Friends", Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Bono and U2, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, The whole state of Massachusetts, their politicians and judges, Former California Governor, now Oakland Mayor, Jerry Brown, Barney Frank, Tina Fey from Saturday Night Live, Hippies and people who love to shop at Trader Joe's. Did I leave anybody out? If so, please let me know.
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You stumbled over another of your own idiotic claims. You can't have it both ways. If you insist that a government installed through election a successful overthrow of the previous government can't be democratic, you then have to accept the logical consequences of that. One of those consequences is that, via Aragorn243's Postulate, whatever government turns up next in Iraq, it is not going to be democratic.
Of course, I never though otherwise, because it is a stupid idea that you can forcefully impose democracy on a people.
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It is obvious that you are lying. People can see all the posts, you did know that didn't you.
The only one stumbling is you as you attempt to say that I said something I clearly did not say.
Your latest attempt doesn't even make any sense. What does "If you insist that a government installed through election a successful overthrow of the previous government can't be democratic" even mean?
It is a stupid idea that you can forcefully impose democracy on a people. That's one of the few accurate things I've ever seen you post. It's also the main reason not a single communist nation became communist through a democratic process. No democratic process can occur when under duress.
Iraq has the opportunity to become democratic. They are holding free elections. What they do with that opportunity remains to be seen.
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quote:Originally posted by DWE: I'll tell you who's a communist loser..... Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, (the two biggest loud mouths), Al Gore, Al Frankin, Tammy Bruce, Nancy Grace, Ted Kennedy, The Dixie Chicks, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, Alec Baldwin and all the rest of the Baldwins, Martin Sheen, Cindy Sheehan, Dr. Phil, Oprah Winfrey, Maury Povich, Dan Rather, San Francisco Mayor, Gavin Newsom and his entire city, The whole cast of "Friends", Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Bono and U2, Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, The whole state of Massachusetts, their politicians and judges, Former California Governor, now Oakland Mayor, Jerry Brown, Barney Frank, Tina Fey from Saturday Night Live, Hippies and people who love to shop at Trader Joe's. Did I leave anybody out? If so, please let me know.
redneck,white trash?
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QUIZ: What do all these people have in common?
Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, and Paul Wolfowitz.
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You need to think about that......'course, thinkin about almost anything seems to leave you lacking.
Posts: 11304 | From: Fort Worth, Texas | Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: QUIZ: What do all these people have in common?
Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, and Paul Wolfowitz.
They all love America.
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