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I think a lot of the "disrespect" that other countries have for our President, isn't because of disrespect at all! They know that he means what he says, and that he will do it, and they don't like it! They hate him, because he is trying to stop their illegal and immoral lifestyles! Same here is our own country! People that want to live immoral lives, don't like a moral president! They want one, that will live in the same kind of sins that they live in, so that they don't feel guilty about what they are doing with their own lives! People that lie, usually call other people liers, whether they are or not, because they don't have the capacity to "trust" anyone else with telling the truth! You can't sit in judgement of people, that you have never even met, and don't even know, just because you don't like them! That is God's job! You see, the difference between some of you, and me, is that I give people a chance! I accept them for who they are, and go by the actual facts, not inuendos, and false accusations! If the person has been proven beyond a doubt, to be guilty, then I act accordingly! Until then, I pray for them, and give them my support! How unhappy some of you guys must be, to hate someone, right from the start just because he is a republican, and a Christian, and your guy didn't make it into office! Geech, that's sad! And yes, I'm cranky! Even I get fed up with crap from time to time!

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Kate?

i've told you all along that my politics is not about party...

if you look back to last election? you will find that i clearly warned about THIS PLAME case in specific and that the WMD issue would come back to haunt US.

i like quite a few things Bush has done, but the WMD issue will go down in history as one of the biggest political scandals ever....

we have only scratched the surface of this...

as i recall? you said nah nah on the day after the election? and i told you then that i did my DD, and i wasn't just putting out lies (liberal or mikey moore or whatever brand you call them) and that i did my best to analyse the data critically and give you fair warning...

there is a slight chance that Bush and Rove will negotiate their way out of this...
watch who Bush nominates for the Supreme Court...

i BET that the nominee will have Christian Conservatives HOWLING......

i could be wrong about that, but i don't see Bush as truly supporting the evangelicals...he just wanted their vote...

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Kate, when Bush was Governor of Texas he was pro-abortion. He also passed a bill that allowed Texas to pull the plug on people who could not afford to pay their hospital bills. "The State of Texas" was given the right to pull the plug. He also signed bills that were pro-abortion. This is not "my opinion"! This is fact!!!!!

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It is also documented and proven that he did not show up to serve one single day of duty when he got his "transfer" out of the Texas National Guard to avoid being called up to active duty during Nam. A year and a half he was missing. I was active military so don't stand on the soap box with me. The assh0le was a raving coward!!!!!

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they don't care Dar...

it's all "liberal lies" to them....

they will roll back the clock on women's reproductive rights and then scream bloody murder when the poorest of the poor apply for more welfare..
while the wealthy women will still get their little problems "taken care of" like they always have....

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Anyone who "thinks" they know Bush is an upstanding anything isn't thinking. Look at the record! I mean the facts, not the crap he and the party claim to be. He lies, then lies the opposite to cover for the first. He will foster any cause for which sufficient monies go into the pockets of the "Family". The record proves irt to be so.
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i'm not a Prairie Home Companion fan, but i have to say this IS funny....

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/20/opinion/edkiellor.php


so is this one:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm%3Fitemid=19347

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dardadog:
[QB] It is also documented and proven that he did not show up to serve one single day of duty when he got his "transfer" out of the Texas National Guard to avoid being called up to active duty during Nam. A year and a half he was missing. I was active military so don't stand on the soap box with me. The assh0le was a raving coward!!!!!

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I dont think I'll believe your documented proven anything...

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hmmmmm....
dustoff you shouldn't argue that one....

it is documented...(at least the part about shortening his duty tour)

nobody cares.... they proved it by ignoring it and voting for him anyway...
the only real question is why/how he manged to get away with it...

he's not a "normal" guy, so "normal" rules don't apply to him, and besides? he's been saved and his sins are washed away....
clean as a newborn babe....

[ July 20, 2005, 17:45: Message edited by: glassman ]

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman:
[QB] hmmmmm....
dustoff you shouldn't argue that one....

it is documented...

nobody cares.... they proved it by ignoring it and voting for him anyway...
the only real question is why/how he manged to get away with it...

he's not a "normal" guy, so "normal" rules don't apply to him, and besides? he's been saved and his sins are washed away....
clean as a newborn babe....

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glassman, dardadog states bush is a raving a$$hole coward,,,bullchit!, guess he is blind..

Dardadog, do you call the scene at ground zero [ 9/11 ] and the pitch in yankee stadium the actions of a coward?

If you do, your all twisted up in birdie land..

glassman, you say I shouldn't argue that one..

I can hold my own with you two.

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O, i know you can dusty,
but throwing baseballs and standing at ground zero don't count for much to me.... what President wouldn't have stood at ground zero?????
Carter or Clinton woulda been there too, and so would you or I....

i think dubya probly woulda gone to fly combat if they woulda let him.... but "they" didn't let him....

i don't think he's a coward... but he did get his tour length "fixed " somehow...

i do think his crew has made some serious value judgement errors, and that's what i've always said...

i am amazed how much "forgivenss" he has recieved from the American people...

especially the ones that claim to be so "hardline".....

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glassman, many people were spoiled by the Karizzzzzma of Clinton, he has such a command of the English language. We just expect our Presidents to speak that well now...

Bush has a speach impediment, that is really annoying, and yes his manerizms can be a little odd..

He didn't spend a lot a time with the hollywood types, thus, he is not so self-absorbed..

BUT, he has a steel beam for a back bone.

Second term Presidents generaly bring on they're core agendas..

So, it's no surprise that he will appoint conservative judges..

20yrs from now, Bush will probably be spoken of as one of our great Presidents.

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conservative judge?

i'm glad that everybody thinks so....

i think this guy will do what is correct....( i like him) cuz he's smart.... and he is NOT controversial...

the women's rights groups should look carefully at how old he and his wife are, and how young his children are.....

remeber who appointed O'connor? yup Reagan did...

as far as history goes?

i think Bush will be MOST noted for the WMD thing...(it ain't going away)
and for establishing a religious government in Iraq..
i've always said that will happen, and i think it will take about 3 years after we withdraw...IF we ever do....( we can't, IMO)
people keep saying Iran isn't a democracy, but it is a FORM of democracy, and that's what we'll see in Iraq eventually... too....

in Iran? they have ONE party that chooses all the candidates... here? we have TWO...big friggin deal....

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I don't know much about the new pick, but I like he clerked under under Rehnquist. None of us like politicos on the campaign trail who flip-flop in rhythm to the polls, but to be able to change your position with new information and a more seasoned respect for the big picture is important, especially in the judiciary...jmo

Bush: sorry Dusty, the only backbone he's shown me is he's willing to sign on the dotted line when his pop's cronies tell him, "Hey, this is a good deal, Jr."

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He is young enough to become a great supreme court justice..
The man is very comfortable in his own skin..

I think Bush picked him becouse of this....

His credentials speak to his abilitys..

But I'll bet Bush picked the man, not the hype..

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could be set to follow in Rehnquist's footsteps--hey, we could do a lot worse.

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yes, he's 50 and he's been in DC for a long time and managed not to make any serious enemies...

i like that IN A JUDGE...that would be wierd for anybody else..

my point about his age and his wife's age is that they waited a long time to have children... that is a good sign for women's rights...

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Ya, a boy 4 and a girl 5.....
That otta keep him connected to the real world...

He dosen't show intellectual arrogance. I like that in a judge.

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i heard that, lol...

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BuyTex:
i heard that, lol...

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Tex, i didn't herd a ting, nope not a thang..
What was that!!!!!! I herded it !

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

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Hey Tex, I told ya I was losing it..
You'll catch up, a few more years and I will make sense to ya....Make sure your well grounded when it happens!

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iyit awlreyaday maykes seyense ta mey ayand ah just turned 45 this month [Big Grin]

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this should raise some eyebrows....

Iran and Iraq look to heal old wounds with oil deal

By Christian Oliver
REUTERS

12:17 p.m. July 19, 2005

TEHRAN – Old foes Iran and Iraq on Tuesday signed an oil deal they hope will pave the way to further diplomatic rapprochement between them.

The signing was the keystone of a visit to Iran by an Iraqi ministerial delegation led by Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari, the first Iraqi leader to visit Tehran in decades.

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Iran and Iraq bludgeoned each other to a standstill in a war between 1980 and 1988 characterized by trench warfare and gas attacks. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed.

Starting to rebuild bridges, Iraq signed a preliminary agreement to export 150,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude from the southern city of Basra to Abadan refinery in southwest Iran, a spokeswoman for Iran's oil ministry said.

In return, fuel-starved Iraq will import gasoline, gas oil and kerosene across its eastern border.

Iraqi Oil Minister Ibrahim Bahr al-Uloum has said the project could be running within a year as pipeline construction should take only three to six months.

The United States has reservations about growing ties between the two neighbors, but the language from Iranian and Iraqi officials alike has been warm throughout the visit.


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20050719-1217-energy-iran-iraq.html

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US Buys Up Iraqi Oil to Stave Off Crisis
By Faisal Islam and Nick Paton Walsh
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January 26, 2003
(a month and a half before we invaded)

Facing its most chronic shortage in oil stocks for 27 years, the US has this month turned to an unlikely source of help - Iraq. Weeks before a prospective invasion of Iraq, the oil-rich state has doubled its exports of oil to America, helping US refineries cope with a debilitating strike in Venezuela. After the loss of 1.5 million barrels per day of Venezuelan production in December the oil price rocketed, and the scarcity of reserves threatened to do permanent damage to the US oil refinery and transport infrastructure. To keep the pipelines flowing, President Bush stopped adding to the 700m barrel strategic reserve.

But ultimately oil giants such as Chevron, Exxon, BP and Shell saved the day by doubling imports from Iraq from 0.5m barrels in November to over 1m barrels per day to solve the problem. Essentially, US importers diverted 0.5m barrels of Iraqi oil per day heading for Europe and Asia to save the American oil infrastructure.

The trade, though bizarre given current Pentagon plans to launch around 300 cruise missiles a day on Iraq, is legal under the terms of UN's oil for food programme. But for opponents of war, it shows the unspoken aim of military action in Iraq, which has the world's second largest proven reserves - some 112 billion barrels, and at least another 100bn of unproven reserves, according to the US Department of Energy. Iraqi oil is comparatively simple to extract - less than $1 per barrel, compared with $6 a barrel in Russia. Soon, US and British forces could be securing the source of that oil as a priority in the war strategy. The Iraqi fields south of Basra produce prized 'sweet crudes' that are simpler to refine. On Friday, Pentagon sources said US military planners 'have crafted strategies that will allow us to secure and protect those fields as rapidly as possible in order to then preserve those prior to destruction'.


http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2003/0126usbuy.htm

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there is also considerable evidence that Turkey and Jordan (our allies) had tacit aproval to "smuggle" oil under/from both the Clinton and Bush administrations.....

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oil--the name of the game...

for fun?

imagine a planet such as ours with silica for fuel...

extrapolate the dynamic...

nothing like we see/have seen...

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as a glass fanatic? i have to say it's dang hard to oxidise silica [Big Grin]
what would we use as/to replace oxygen

i've come to the simple conclusion that terrorism is profitable if you are sitting on oil....

we are in a world o'doo doo, and there is no short EZ answer...

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too literal--sorry

how about hydrogen?

only meant to invoke "what-if" possibilities

[achhh, forgot the silica-glassman connex, lol]

surely, fuel cells offer at least a reprieve...

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yes, fuel cells do offer US a great possibility...

if we can get fuel cells to run on CH4 (methane) we can replace a lot of our oil dependance..

ehtanol fuel cells are here, and we expect to see them used for laptops soon, you refill them like a zippo [Wink] ...i think Toshiba got the patent on them...

methane solidifies at 33 degrees under pressure...
the floor of the ocean is literally covered with methane ice crystals..it it estimated that there is at least 80 times the amount of methane just lying there than all of the world's oil reserves...

in my "liberal la la fantasy mode" i see a govt "manhattan project" to bring this conversion to fuel celss about quickly, but i don't see anybody (liberal, conservative, GOP, or DEM) ready to roll up their sleeves and
"make it so #1" [Big Grin]


The current generation of DFCs are carbonate fuel cells; Fuel Cell Energy is exploring the use of solid oxide technology for smaller size units in the future. This is not the same type of fuel cell as the PEM used in an automobile, which is smaller, runs at lower temperatures, produces less power and requires an external supply of hydrogen.

The direct fuel cell takes in methane as a fuel, and reforms the gas internally to produce the hydrogen required for use in the fuel cell reaction. During normal operation, the fuel cell itself only consumers some 70%–80% of the hydrogen feed, leaving 20%–30% available for export.

basically? pure hydrogen is a pain in the butt to store and handle, but using simple carbon-hydrogen molecules (CH4 toluene benzene?) are a lot easier based on todays technology..refrigerating hydrogen to liquid is 'spensive liquifying methane is relatively cheap...

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yup, that's what I'm talking about...thanks

so wut's the prob? if fuel cells run on hydrogen or natural gas, doesn't seem like a great leap to methane...?? of course, I'm no chemist...but much closer than the hypothetical silica...yes?

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my understanding is that alot of the problem is that efficiency decreases rapidly cause the carbon gums up the membranes where the oxidation takes place...

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true, it *is* carbon-rich...

maybe we need Amory Lovins to figure a profit model for extracting that carbon...

what can you make from C?

(j/k on that one)...

how 'bout industrial mini-diamonds?

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quote:
Originally posted by Dustoff101:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dardadog:
[QB] It is also documented and proven that he did not show up to serve one single day of duty when he got his "transfer" out of the Texas National Guard to avoid being called up to active duty during Nam. A year and a half he was missing. I was active military so don't stand on the soap box with me. The assh0le was a raving coward!!!!!

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I dont think I'll believe your documented proven anything...

Got MLON?

Sorry MLON was the only stockplay I've ever yelled that you ever took the time to play. You've missed a lot. I have been playin' at 76% for the past eighteen months. 'Course then on MLON, I don't recall pinnin' your arms to your chair so's you couldn't reach your sell button. Maybe you should take up "bonds". They don't react so quickly as the OTC.


Ruff!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by Dustoff101:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman:
[QB] hmmmmm....
dustoff you shouldn't argue that one....

it is documented...

nobody cares.... they proved it by ignoring it and voting for him anyway...
the only real question is why/how he manged to get away with it...

he's not a "normal" guy, so "normal" rules don't apply to him, and besides? he's been saved and his sins are washed away....
clean as a newborn babe....

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glassman, dardadog states bush is a raving a$$hole coward,,,bullchit!, guess he is blind..

Dardadog, do you call the scene at ground zero [ 9/11 ] and the pitch in yankee stadium the actions of a coward?

If you do, your all twisted up in birdie land..

glassman, you say I shouldn't argue that one..

I can hold my own with you two.

Sorry Pal. But I don't recall verbally nailin' you just because I solidly feel your opinion is full of sh!t.......an' as far as holdin' yer own wid me........you couldn't hold my cordless mouse.


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Roberts lives in Chevy Chase, Maryland, and is the first Supreme Court nominee since Stephen Breyer in 1994. He is a practicing Catholic. He has three sisters—Kathy, Peggy, and Barbara—and is the second oldest of his siblings. He and his wife, Jane Marie Sullivan Roberts, who was previously the vice-president of Feminists for Life, have two adopted children, Josephine ("Josie," age 5) and Jack (age 4).

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