WASHINGTON (AP) - A White House official said Friday the administration finds it ``somewhat puzzling'' that Democrats are demanding presidential adviser Karl Rove's apology or resignation for implying that liberals are soft on terrorism.
``I think Karl was very specific, very accurate, in who he was pointing out,'' communications director Dan Bartlett said. ``It's touched a chord with these Democrats. I'm not sure why.''
Congressional Republicans earlier joined the White House in standing solidly behind Rove, saying he shouldn't apologize and that he was outlining a philosophical divide between a president who sought to win the war on terrorism by taking the fight to the enemy and Democrats who questioned that approach.
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"There ought to be limits to freedom. We're aware of the site, and this guy is just a garbage man." -Bush, commenting on the website http://www.gwbush.com/ .
QUOTES:
KARL ROVE, Bush's long-time political guru and White House advisor: "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans... ...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
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Just hours after learning about an outrageous speech delivered by Karl Rove, President Bush's most senior advisor, I went to the Senate floor -- and I spoke from my heart. I want to share those words with you -- not as a Democrat or Republican, not as a liberal or conservative -- but as an American.
I've attached part of my speech to the end of this email. But, before you read what I said, look again at what Karl Rove said:
"Perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."
I hope you will join me right now in signing an open letter to the President urging him to thoroughly reject Karl Rove's purposeful attack on the patriotism of those who dare ask the tough questions that best protect American troops. Sign our open letter to President Bush now:
This isn't the first time that Karl Rove and other White House officials have sought to divide America in ways that make it harder to keep our country safe and our democracy strong. But, it should be the last. That's why I ended my speech with a call on President Bush to fire Karl Rove. It is the only way the President can make it clear that he rejects Rove's effort to distort one of the most unified and patriotic moments in American history into a cheap, divisive, political applause line.
That, of course, is what is most outrageous about Karl Rove's claim that President Bush's political opponents offered "therapy and understanding for our attackers." It isn't true. In the days after 9/11, there were no Democrats, no Republicans. We were all Americans, standing together. President Bush acknowledged that unity in a clear and compelling way at the time.
Now, Karl Rove is purposely twisting those days of unity in order to divide us for political gain. I hope you will act right now to join a growing chorus of Americans calling on the President to fire Karl Rove.
Please act right now. Sign our open letter to the President and pass it on to others. All Americans have to speak with one powerful voice in response to this outrage. I will continue speaking out and I know I can count on you to stand with me.
I continue to be absolutely insulted by this years long idiocy coming out of the Bush Whitehouse.
Rove: "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
Bushism Idiocy.
I have a PhD in English. I am very articulate just as is John Kerry. According to Bush and his cronies, I am an idiot for being well educated.
I say fire Bush. He is the one in need of smarts.
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Rove:"Perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers."
How dare you, George Bush, defend such an act of horrific traitorous commentary. I am so stupified the president of our country would defend such idiocy, such turncoat words.
If these words of Rove came from you, Bush, I would be quick to call for your impeachment based solely on your sheer stupidity.
Bush, you are no friend of America.
I continue to be absolutely insulted by this years long idiocy coming out of the Bush Whitehouse.
Rove: "As people do better, they start voting like Republicans...unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
Bushism Idiocy.
I have a PhD in English. I am very articulate just as is John Kerry. According to Bush and his cronies, I am an idiot for being well educated.
I say fire Bush. He is the one in need of smarts.
Regards from a true patriotic American and a proud member of the Choctaw Nation,
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The way to get a liberal mad is to expose their views in a well analyzed manner.
The difference between liberals and conservatives is not one of intellect or education - Rove is wrong in saying it is.
Rove does correctly recognize other differences in the liberal and conservative position.
The main difference is in valid judgement based on a valid understanding of reality - conservatives realistically understand human nature and relations among people, and liberals have an idealistically biased understanding of same. Conservatives think objectively and liberals think emotionally.
Look at the emotional rantings of Purl Gurl's posts in which her primary argument is to demonize Bush. Child-like thinking devoid of substantive ideas. This is liberal thinking. That is why liberals can't offer good solutions and criticize the good solutions offered by others.
Ivory tower intellectuals, like in the college environment, are insulated from the world and think like liberals - idealistically rather than realistically. Intellectuals who deal with the world directly, like businessmen, think like conservatives - realistically.
Liberals are soft on crime and soft on enemies of their country. They want a La La land world where everyone loves another and gets along, and think being nice to the less fortunate or the evil doers will make things right. Many liberals did want to avoid any military action after 9/11 and sought to negotiate with our enemies. Conservatives correctly saw this as foolish, realizing our enemies only want to destroy us and we would have to let them do this to negotiate with them successfully - the end of negotiation with a terrorist is your death.
Liberals want communism where each gets what they need without having to earn it, paid for by those who did work and earn. Thus, they advocate welfare, free health care, a tax that punishes those who earn the most and rewards those who don't work or earn much. Conservatives see that this only expands the parasites in increasing number, so that a decreasing number of people have to support an increasing number while the standard of living of all goes down and the nation is destroyed. This is reality, and liberals hate reality, turning always to their idealistic delusions.
Liberals are soft on crime, thinking that criminals just need to be understood. If someone broke into your house at night, and you shot them, liberals would say you commited a crime. Liberals want to take guns away from law abiding citizens, so that only criminals have guns and criminals can rule. Liberals often take positions tha tsupport criminal rights to commit crime. Conservatives readily see that liberal idea sserve to increase crimes and hurt the innocent.
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Art: Ivory tower intellectuals, like in the college environment, are insulated from the world and think like liberals - idealistically rather than realistically. Intellectuals who deal with the world directly, like businessmen, think like conservatives - realistically.
glassman: spoken like a true ignorant... do i detect a bit of jealousy?
the "ivory towers" are the most vicious "shark tanks" in the world Art....
Art: Liberals want communism
glassman:
you don't know what you are talking about....you are just regurgitating rushisms....
as a moderate? i appear liberal to you and your ilk, as a moderate? i appear to be conservative to the liberals...
both sides equally screwed up and the stupid wars you all are waging are damaging our country badly...
these accusations that somehow the liberals are to blame for terrorism are sick....and are just an excuse for failed policy....
the popular public opinion pendulum is picking up more speed back to the liberal side (just as Clintons misdeeds swung it to the conservative side) and when we pass the nadir of the arc Art? the conservatives will be fighting amongst tehmselves to see who can get credit for bringing down their OWN leadership in an attempt to reconcile their losses....
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"...the "ivory towers" are the most vicious "shark tanks" in the world...."
Absolutely! Want to see my shark bite scars?
Been swimming those shark invested waters for twenty years. First ten years I was served up as chum bait. Second ten years I tossed chum bait for my professors. I still have not earned the right to hold the rod and reel.
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Art: Ivory tower intellectuals, like in the college environment, are insulated from the world and think like liberals - idealistically rather than realistically. Intellectuals who deal with the world directly, like businessmen, think like conservatives - realistically.
glassman: spoken like a true ignorant... do i detect a bit of jealousy?
Art: Can you explain how and why I am wrong instead of your offering of grade school emotional blather? What ignorance? What jealousy?
glassman: the "ivory towers" are the most vicious "shark tanks" in the world Art....
Art: No, that is the situation all over. Dog eat dog when it comes to personal ambition, whether you are liberal or not. The differences are shown in how to spend tax money and not in how you conduct yourself at work.
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glassman: you don't know what you are talking about....you are just regurgitating rushisms....
Art: More grade school emotional blather. Liberals want income redistribution - the basis of communism. Liberals want teacher unions that do not pay teachers based on job performance, and that is communism as opposed to capitalism where pay is based on work performed. Liberals want free health care for everyone - communism instead of capitalism. Liberals do no want to allow people to invest their own Social Security money in safe mutual or index funds that will build their retirement wealth - that is communism and not capitalism.
glassman:...these accusations that somehow the liberals are to blame for terrorism are sick....and are just an excuse for failed policy....
Art: Clinton caused 9/11 by not stopping bin Laden and al Qaeda when Clinton could have, allowing the terorist movement to develop in the 90s. Democratic softness on terrorism encouraged its development. Bush is , and will, destroy it to apoint of rare and meaningless attacks.
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Clinton caused 9/11 by not stopping bin Laden and al Qaeda when Clinton could have, allowing the terorist movement to develop in the 90s. Democratic softness on terrorism encouraged its development. Bush is , and will, destroy it to apoint of rare and meaningless attacks.
glassman:
clinton CAUSED 9-11? sheesh....i agree that he dropped the ball TOOOOOO...
and Bush was in office on 9-11...he had warnings that were circular filed...probably, and i do mean probably before they made it to his desk... osambeenalivetoolong is still out there running around....
i think you and people like you need to get beyond the partisanship and start looking at the problems for what they are... human frailty...
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Yes, Bush knew in advance about 9/11, which was actually engineered by the Jews using Arab pawns, with Bush's approval.
The plan is to eventually let Israel step in and take over Saudi Arabia in partnership with Iraq, to supply oil to the USA. First we and Iraq take out Syria and Iran, saying they are funneling terrorists to Iraq, then later we and Iraq let Israel take over Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.
Then we will finally have peace in the mideast and a steady supply of cheap oil.
Sometimes you have to kill many people to obtain peace.
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Tonight on Jim Leherer news hour, a lengthy discussion of Rove. Yes, I actually do keep up with current events, and yes I do take notes while watching television, in keeping with my 'Vette photograph showing a notepad and pencil, within handy reach.
For this television special, Ray Saurez is the moderator. One side of the table, Rich Lowry of the National Review. Sitting opposite is Tom Oliphant of the Boston Globe. Lowry is very young, Oliphant appears sixty-ish.
Paraphrased, Lowry argues there is no reason for Democrats to be upset. He explains Rove only talked about "liberals" and never made any mention of democrats. Lowry agains states Rove only said "liberals" and "conservatives" with no mention of Democrats nor Republicans. He suggests Democrats are too sensitive and wrong. He concludes Rove owes no apology because Rove was not talking about Democrats.
Oliphant explains, paraphrased, regardless of apology or not, damage is done to the American public. He states Rove is polarizing America. His logic is the public associates liberals with Democrats, and associates conservatives with Republicans. Continuing he explains America hears Rove as attacking Democrats, hears Rove dividing our country into two factions. He adds it is too late for Rove to apologize; damage is done.
My view is Lowry is a young inexperienced Bush semantic truth twister attempting to deceive the audience with typical Bush methodologies.
Oliphant is an older well versed political reporter who reports to the audience free of personal bias.
Did you blast Durbin for his remarks? Did you write his office a letter for his statements? Probably not yet you are outraged by Rove's remarks. Let's see, this to me appears that you don't have a problem with Durbin comparing our military to, "Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime—Pol Pot or others—that had no concern for human beings."
but you take offense to Rove stating what most liberals really think. What part of Rove's statements were false? Did moveon.org not do what he claims?
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bama... we all love our country and have our own "vision" for what she should be....the disagreements over that vision are the issue....
PG's letter to Durbin was not needed.....
Durbin apologizes for Gitmo remarks No. 2 Democrat says he intended no disrespect to U.S. troops
Wednesday, June 22, 2005; Posted: 3:31 a.m. EDT (07:31 GMT)
Durbin: "I offer my apologies to those that were offended by my words."
Sen. Dick Durbin apologizes for his 'Nazi' remarks.(3:18)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate's No. 2 Democrat apologized Tuesday for remarks comparing the treatment of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp to methods used by the Nazis, Soviets and other repressive regimes.
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois said he "never intended any disrespect" to U.S. troops with his June 14 comments, for which the minority whip has endured a week of criticism from Republicans and some Democrats.
"In the end, I don't want anything in my public career to detract from my love for this country, my respect for those who serve it, and this great Senate," Durbin said in an emotional statement on the Senate floor.
"I offer my apologies to those that were offended by my words."
Human rights groups and the Red Cross have criticized the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a U.S. Navy base where prisoners from the war on terrorism have been held since early 2002. The facility currently houses about 520 prisoners. (Full story)
war is hell, and we are at war.
there are a lot of apologies due to the people of THIS country... we are waiting, and losing patience...
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here's what i am unhappy about in the way the prisoner situation has developed... we need the data the prisoners have, and i guess "some" of it has been valuable..
BUT....
this is the real problem..
Sen. John McCain -- who was a prisoner of war for more than five years during the Vietnam War -- said Sunday that Durbin should apologize. (Full story)
But the Arizona Republican also said reports of controversial interrogation techniques and allegations of abuse could endanger American POWs in a future conflict.
once again? the lib/con war of "take no prisoners" and "make no deals" is DESTROYING our way of life...
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I support the prison down in Cuba. My understanding is most of the men there are very dangerous. Some released, returned to battle in Afghanistan. There is no doubt some are not worth holding, and some are innocent victims.
Our basis for holding them as "enemy combatants" is not sound; it is legally questionable.
The Cuban prison serves as an icon, as a rally point for terrorists. It is being used as a tool to brainwash and recruit. Our Cuban prison is actually causing more harm than good.
John McCain is absolutely correct. None should question his words on Cuba.
Torture techniques, deprived of sleep, made to listen to rock music, having to stand for hours, urinating on the Qur'an, being smeared with a woman's menstrual blood, all that, those methods are not torture at all. Those are "psy-op" events which I support.
Personally, I would endorse bone crushing, pulling of teeth, cutting off fingers, electric shock and other methods, would endorse those methods to be used on _factually_ known terrorists. However, we would be no better than the terrorists, if so. Use of true torture, however effective, would show us to be the hypocrites we are.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the rest, are idiots who place our soldiers and citizens in unwarranted harm's way. They are causing harm, not benefit.
What good is two year old information? It is very stale and of little use. Terrorist know who is being held, know what information they hold. Long back, terrorists have countered for possible leaks of information.
Those idiots in the Whitehouse need to process the prisoners quickly. They need to extract what information can be had, then turn those prisoners loose or place them on trial. Those prisoners are a greater danger in prison, than loose; they are an icon, however false, an icon of American abuse.
I am not as liberal as some claim. I support our methods of extracting information and wish we could be more agressive. I also believe we are going about this the wrong way.
Another belief of mine is George Bush should face court martial for dereliction of duty.
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First, they put the fear of God into you—if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.
Next, they tell you that you are the best of a bad lot (humans, that is) and that as bad as you are, if you stick with them, you are among the chosen. This is flattering and reassuring, and also encourages you to imagine the terrible fates of those you envy and resent. American politicians ALWAYS operate by a similar sort of flattery, and so Americans are never induced to question themselves. That's what happened to Jimmy Carter—he asked Americans to take responsibility for their profligate ways, and promptly lost to Ronald Reagan, who told them once again that they could do anything they wanted. The history of the last four years shows that red state types, above all, do not want to be told what to do—they prefer to be ignorant. As a result, they are virtually unteachable.
Third, and most important, when life grows difficult or fearsome, they (politicians, preachers, pundits) encourage you to cling to your ignorance with even more fervor. But by this time you don't need much encouragement—you've put all your eggs into the ignorance basket, and really, some kind of miraculous fruition (preferably accompanied by the torment of your enemies, and the ignorant always have plenty of enemies) is your only hope. If you are sufficiently ignorant, you won't even know how dangerous your policies are until they have destroyed you, and then you can always blame others.
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well? i've been expecting this for over a year....
any of you ultra-conservatives want to comment?
the White House won't
i suppose revealing classified data is OK if you aren't a liberal?
White House Won't Comment on Rove, Leak
By PETE YOST The Associated Press Monday, July 11, 2005; 5:22 PM
WASHINGTON -- For the better part of two years, the word coming out of the Bush White House was that presidential adviser Karl Rove had nothing to do with the leak of a female CIA officer's identity and that whoever did would be fired.
But Bush spokesman Scott McClellan wouldn't repeat those claims Monday in the face of Rove's own lawyer, Robert Luskin, acknowledging the political operative spoke to Matthew Cooper of Time magazine, one of the reporters who disclosed Valerie Plame's name.
White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan is peppered by questions about deputy White House chief of staff Karl Rove, Monday, July 11, 2005, during his daily briefing at the White House. Rove's name resurfaced in the past week, with his lawyer saying that Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper spoke to him in the days before the name of CIA undercover operative Valerie Plame was first revealed. McClellan would not answer questions about Rove due to the on going investigation. McLellan repeatedly said he couldn't comment because the matter is under investigation. When it was pointed out he had commented previously even though the investigation was ongoing, he responded: "I've really said all I'm going to say on it."
this has the potential to make watergate look like elementary school detention......
another domino falls....
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Rove only mentioned a rumor that was spreading around town, that Plame worked for the CIA - he didn't know Plame and did not know she was an undercover agent.
There is no there there.
Fun to watch the Demos go after him and not get thim though.
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quote:Originally posted by Art: Rove only mentioned a rumor that was spreading around town, that Plame worked for the CIA - he didn't know Plame and did not know she was an undercover agent.
There is no there there.
Fun to watch the Demos go after him and not get him though.
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Art: Fun to watch the Demos go after him and not get thim though.
glassman:
you are forgetting that the intent of "outing" Plame was not a Democrat/GOP plot.... it stemmed from a supposed attempt to intimidate career intel people... they don't go away EZ...... i suspect there will be more where this came from....
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Art: Fun to watch the Demos go after him and not get him though.
glassman: you are forgetting that the intent of "outing" Plame was not a Democrat/GOP plot.... it stemmed from a supposed attempt to intimidate career intel people... they don't go away EZ...... i suspect there will be more where this came from....
Art: Liberal lies. No plot to do anybody harm or intimidate anyone.
It was common knowledge in Washinton circles that Plame was working for the CIA - it was actually public knowledge because her husband described her on his web site as working for the CIA - and all this before the Novak article.
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Art: Liberal lies. No plot to do anybody harm or intimidate anyone.
It was common knowledge in Washinton circles that Plame was working for the CIA - it was actually public knowledge because her husband described her on his web site as working for the CIA - and all this before the Novak article.
glassman:
really? you have a link to this website?
because quite frankly? there would be no reason for a special investigator if this were fact Art...
your "liberal lies" statements are wearing thin...
like the WMD was buried in the desert (lol, yeah right)...
i'm begining to find your asssertions so bizzarro that i don't think it's even worth my time to respond to you because you don't care about truth... the notion that the terrorists will be supporting Hillary is particarly disgusting...
and i personally won't vote for her unless she's running against Jeb... the statements you make are beginning to sound like paranoidal ranting..i reccommend haldol...
i think you, and people who truly share the attitudes you express are more dangerous to the US than al-queda...
the whole media (other than rushie and his brother) is lying liberals?
yeah you may not LISTEN to rush but i do recall you posted his brothers printed drivel...LOL
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Posted by David Limbaugh at 09:31 PM |TrackBack (0) Indiscriminate Liberal Exploitation
Is there any issue liberals won't exploit in their quest for the White House? The sheer fact that they can blame President Bush for almost anything is proof enough their big-government ideology is wrong for the nation.
i ask you this Art: is there anything these cretins won't say in their rabid attempt to destroy the TWO-PARTY system?
Old media on Iraq: Good news not newsworthy David Limbaugh (archive)
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When it comes to reporting on the Iraq War, the Old Media might as well be an appendage of the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party. It is astonishing how little coverage we've seen of the positive trend there over the last few months.
anything that he doesn't print isn't fit to print? LOL the hubris(and i mean hubris in the delusional, esteeming themselves as equal to or greater than the gods form) is truly amazing....
how shall i say i told you so? a million ways?
i'm surprised Rove didn't call davey and rushie with the Plame story too....
maybe they's not mainstream enough?
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David Limbaugh at 09:31 PM |TrackBack (0) Indiscriminate Liberal Exploitation
Is there any issue liberals won't exploit in their quest for the White House? The sheer fact that they can blame President Bush for almost anything is proof enough their big-government ideology is wrong for the nation.
glasman: i ask you this Art: is there anything these cretins won't say in their rabid attempt to destroy the TWO-PARTY system?
Art: Cretin? Limbaugh is saying what is true. The destructivenes is purely democratic. It is the demos that blame everything on Bush and they attack Bush and what he wants to accomplish constantly. Take the economy. Bush took us out of the Clinton recession in spite of 9/11 and now tax revunue is up 15% annually - to the shock of everyone - because of tax cuts that the democrats said would ruin us. Limbaugh is right.
Old media on Iraq: Good news not newsworthy
David Limbaugh: When it comes to reporting on the Iraq War, the Old Media might as well be an appendage of the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party. It is astonishing how little coverage we've seen of the positive trend there over the last few months.
Art: This is absolutely true and you, glassman, can't see it. The liberal media is constantly reporting on how the terrorists are "destroying" Iraq, portraying it as a quagmire for the USA. The truth is that the terrorist attacks are decreasing, Iraq is being rebuilt, the Iraqis are pro-USA by a large majority, and soldiers over there report continual progess that is ignored by media reports, and the soldiers say the media paint a distorted picture of the truth. We are now going to pull out our troops since the Iraqis can start talking over. You were telling us we would be there for many years and that three years from now the terrorism level would be as it was last month.
Limbaugh is telling the truth and you, as a liberal, can't face it. Hell, you can't even face you are a liberal.
You are a master of self deceit, and haven't a clue of this.
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Art: This is absolutely true and you, glassman, can't see it. The liberal media is constantly reporting on how the terrorists are "destroying" Iraq, portraying it as a quagmire for the USA. The truth is that the terrorist attacks are decreasing, Iraq is being rebuilt, the Iraqis are pro-USA by a large majority, and soldiers over there report continual progess that is ignored by media reports, and the soldiers say the media paint a distorted picture of the truth. We are now going to pull out our troops since the Iraqis can start talking over. You were telling us we would be there for many years and that three years from now the terrorism level would be as it was last month.
glassman: terrorist acts are decreasing?
what planet are you living on?
we are now gonna pull out our troops?
what planet are you living on?
when/if we do pull out of Iraq within the next couple of years? (unlikely according to RUMSFELD) the iraq govt will be closer to Iran than it is to ours,within a year....Chalabi is a con man....
i have been telling you this for a year and a half Art.... you are the one who JUST DOESN'T GET IT....
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Art: Liberal lies. No plot to do anybody harm or intimidate anyone.
It was common knowledge in Washinton circles that Plame was working for the CIA - it was actually public knowledge because her husband described her on his web site as working for the CIA - and all this before the Novak article.
glassman: really? you have a link to this website? because quite frankly? there would be no reason for a special investigator if this were fact Art...your "liberal lies" statements are wearing thin...
Art: The reason for the special investigator is so the democrats can't howl about why one hasn't been appointed, which they would do. No need for an investigation, and this democrat witch hunt will go no where. It's all political - there is no there there.
glassman: like the WMD was buried in the desert (lol, yeah right)...
Art: I said that WMD could have been buried or taken to Syria or elsewhere. This is the truth. What is your evidence that it can't be true? As far as I know they have not yet dug up the whole of the Iraqi desert and have not yet searched Syria.
Glassman: i'm begining to find your asssertions so bizzarro that i don't think it's even worth my time to respond to you because you don't care about truth...... the statements you make are beginning to sound like paranoidal ranting..i reccommend haldol...
Art: My assertions are all true and you can't face it or deal with them because my truths contradict the lies you live by and are married to.
glasman: the notion that the terrorists will be supporting Hillary is particarly disgusting...
Art: You really need to better learn to appreciate sarcasm, and you better believe the terrorists will hope that Hillary or any democrat wins in '08. Do you doubt this?
glassman: i think you, and people who truly share the attitudes you express are more dangerous to the US than al-queda...
Art: Like what?
glasman: the whole media (other than rushie and his brother) is lying liberals?
Art: Should I post the material I posted some time ago that showed how liberal the media was - well over 70% of the media people voted for Kerry?
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Art: This is absolutely true and you, glassman, can't see it. The liberal media is constantly reporting on how the terrorists are "destroying" Iraq, portraying it as a quagmire for the USA. The truth is that the terrorist attacks are decreasing, Iraq is being rebuilt, the Iraqis are pro-USA by a large majority, and soldiers over there report continual progess that is ignored by media reports, and the soldiers say the media paint a distorted picture of the truth. We are now going to pull out our troops since the Iraqis can start talking over. You were telling us we would be there for many years and that three years from now the terrorism level would be as it was last month.
glassman: terrorist acts are decreasing?
what planet are you living on?
we are now gonna pull out our troops?
what planet are you living on?
Art: Terrorists acts in Iraq have decreased over the last month - very much so in and around Bahgdad.
Plans for reduction of USA trops are now being made, as recently announced. You are either not listneing to the news are only to the liberal stations.
-------------------- The light of truth is blinding to most.
More comforting to look only at the shadows of falseness.
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