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Lucy Lastic
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300,000 protesters.. wonder if fox will report it...

i like your post-script.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lucy Lastic:
300,000 protesters.. wonder if fox will report it...

i like your post-script.

Obviously you do not watch Fox news.
Fox aired the story.
They also aired the side of the story that you are unwilling to accept.
Nearly half of those protesters were carrying signs denouncing Saddamm.

Glass, in response to your concern that Iraq should bare some of the financial burdern of the war:
I doubt you will see a check made out anytime soon.
What I think we will see could be likened to the planting of a tree. An investment if you will. Contemplate the benefits to our economy when a free iraq starts importing not only our goods but our services.
We are not in this to get a quick payoff, we are infact in this to free people and secure our nation... there are many sides to security.
I assure you our financial rewards for this good deed will not be minute.

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i tend to expect the worst, then i don't get disappointed...

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quote:
Obviously you do not watch Fox news.
LL: um.. yeah. that's why i said "i wonder.."

See the films "the corporation" and "outfoxed" and then talk to me about fox news.

DQR: Fox aired the story. They also aired the side of the story that you are unwilling to accept.

LL: oh, now you and i are old acquaintances, and you know all about what i'm willing and unwilling to accept?

DQR: Nearly half of those protesters were carrying signs denouncing Saddamm.

LL: OH! excellent. that makes it ok for us to have killed over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND of their neighbors, children, parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents and lovers.

your logic is as moronic as bush's "either you're for us or you're against us." (by "your logic" i'm refering to the implication that anyone against the US occupation must be saying that saddam hussein was a good guy.) (or that any iraqi who hates sadam, loves the US occupation.)

we have the worst president in the history of the US. he doesn't read. or travel. he didn't even own a passport until he was president. he is an extremely stupid man. his only gift is for appealing to the least intelligent members of our population. harvard and yale are hard to get into (unless your dad is the president) but easy to get grades in. it's easier to get a C at yale than it is to get a C at UC Berkeley. Bush would have failed out of UC Berkeley.

GW's failed business were bailed out by saudis.

he relies on others for information. the administration is full of crooks. halliburton was doing business w/ iraq even when the sanctions were imposed. cheney was ceo then. when cheney became vice president he left halliburton, they paid him something like.. i don't know 4 million? (want me to check?) seems like maybe he's been"paying them back" ever since. they got those contracts just HANDED to them.. no other companies able to bid.. this is the most blatent corruption.. how can ppl not see it? it's horrifying what's happening in this country.

the administration is comprised of oil men & war profiteers. 911 was great news for them. they were looking for a way to pin 911 on iraq b4 anyone had even planned a single funeral for a victim of 911. there was no evidence to support any of our reasons for attacking iraq. there was no connection btw bin laden and hussein (actually enemies). there was no imminent threat from iraq. it was all a pack of lies. this has been proven again and again. bush's dad is a member of the carlyle group, huge profiteers off of the iraq war. the level of lies/propaganda is appalling.. they lied about africa selling nuke goods to iraq. the patriot act combined with all the lies - is similar to soviet russia.

the media is part of the propaganda machine now. all those colored alerts.. MUSTARD ALERT! just to keep you home trembling on your couch. just like george orwell brilliantly predicted, the ruling force will create it's enemies. we created bin laden, we created hussein.

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noticed today that Rumsfeld told troops in Iaq we aren't pulling out at all, and have no plans to...

that fits more with my theories...

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quote:
Originally posted by Lucy Lastic:
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Obviously you do not watch Fox news.
LL: um.. yeah. that's why i said "i wonder.."

See the films "the corporation" and "outfoxed" and then talk to me about fox news.

DQR: Fox aired the story. They also aired the side of the story that you are unwilling to accept.

LL: oh, now you and i are old acquaintances, and you know all about what i'm willing and unwilling to accept?

DQR: Nearly half of those protesters were carrying signs denouncing Saddamm.

LL: OH! excellent. that makes it ok for us to have killed over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND of their neighbors, children, parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents and lovers.

your logic is as moronic as bush's "either you're for us or you're against us." (by "your logic" i'm refering to the implication that anyone against the US occupation must be saying that saddam hussein was a good guy.) (or that any iraqi who hates sadam, loves the US occupation.)

we have the worst president in the history of the US. he doesn't read. or travel. he didn't even own a passport until he was president. he is an extremely stupid man. his only gift is for appealing to the least intelligent members of our population. harvard and yale are hard to get into (unless your dad is the president) but easy to get grades in. it's easier to get a C at yale than it is to get a C at UC Berkeley. Bush would have failed out of UC Berkeley.

GW's failed business were bailed out by saudis.

he relies on others for information. the administration is full of crooks. halliburton was doing business w/ iraq even when the sanctions were imposed. cheney was ceo then. when cheney became vice president he left halliburton, they paid him something like.. i don't know 4 million? (want me to check?) seems like maybe he's been"paying them back" ever since. they got those contracts just HANDED to them.. no other companies able to bid.. this is the most blatent corruption.. how can ppl not see it? it's horrifying what's happening in this country.

the administration is comprised of oil men & war profiteers. 911 was great news for them. they were looking for a way to pin 911 on iraq b4 anyone had even planned a single funeral for a victim of 911. there was no evidence to support any of our reasons for attacking iraq. there was no connection btw bin laden and hussein (actually enemies). there was no imminent threat from iraq. it was all a pack of lies. this has been proven again and again. bush's dad is a member of the carlyle group, huge profiteers off of the iraq war. the level of lies/propaganda is appalling.. they lied about africa selling nuke goods to iraq. the patriot act combined with all the lies - is similar to soviet russia.

the media is part of the propaganda machine now. all those colored alerts.. MUSTARD ALERT! just to keep you home trembling on your couch. just like george orwell brilliantly predicted, the ruling force will create it's enemies. we created bin laden, we created hussein.

lucy, i couldnt agree with you more!
what i dont understand is how could so many people be blind to the nonsense and lies. any rational thinking person can see that this war is about money, the US could care less about people suffering under a "tyrant" but if they are suffering under a tyrant who happens to sit on billions of dollars of oil and pose a threat to our beloved israel, they must be stopped. Whats intersting to note is who is getting the oil out of iraq..http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

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Lucy, you could not have written truer words about President Bush!!!How in the world could so many people have been so stupid back in November. He is so laughing at these stupid tax payers padding his, Chenney's, Haliburton, and all the other crooked cronies pockets. It doesn't even sink into their thick heads he went AWOL !!!
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they voted for him on the gay marriage issue...

every church in the country told the members to "save marriage"

the funny part was how everybody felt "sorry" for Cheney when it was pointed out that his daughter is openly gay....
even Bush himself says things like he won't tolerate discrimination of any kind...

this should tell you something about the average voter...

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Now, didn't the supporters for Bush scream to the world about his good morals?? Ha!Ha! Take a look at his morals... He cares nothing about the elderly, poor, or middle class working voters. This 3 class of citizens can hardly pay for utilities, gro., gas and insurance.
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Lucy Lunatic, I don't know you, however I know your "kind" as I have been dealing with them and now you for a great many years.
Please provide proof that the U.S has killed 100,000 innocent people during this battle. The number you give is absolute nonsense. Nonesence often being the crux of a liberal's arguement I expected this from you.
Saddam killed over 100,000 innocent civilians in Iraq and this doesn't seem to bother you. Mass grave sites are still being found in Iraq from the years that Saddam was in power and you say nothing about this.
Obviously your agenda has nothing to do with proteccting innocent people and has everything to do with furthering an anti-american cause.

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Time Magazine..

Iraq Civilian Casualties? Who Knew?
Does America prefer its media to ignore deaths caused by U.S. actions?



Wednesday, Dec. 08, 2004

But even as the killing of a single Iraqi, purported to be an insurgent, in a Fallujah mosque dominated almost a week of U.S. media coverage, the claim in the report in the respected British medical journal Lancet that the number of Iraqi civilians killed since the U.S. invasion may number as many as 98,000 rated hardly a mention even in news outlets that had been relatively critical of the war. The Lancet study, of course, was a scientific guesstimate based on incomplete data — the U.S. and its coalition partners have never kept a record of Iraqi civilian deaths. The Economist recently provided its own, more conservative estimate: 40,000 civilians dead.




the truth is probably somewhere in between....

A significantly lower total is reported by the organization Iraq Bodycount, which has tabulated news reports that show a total of around 15,000 civilian casualties since the war began. Even if that lower total was accurate, it suggests that Iraq has suffered at least five times the impact of 9/11 — and the fact that its population is one tenth that of the U.S. would magnify the impact to more like 50 times that of 9/11.

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LOL this thread took a silly tangent.
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it never had a direction...

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Saddam killed over 100,000 innocent civilians in Iraq and this doesn't seem to bother you. Mass grave sites are still being found in Iraq from the years that Saddam was in power and you say nothing about this.


how does one tell the difference between Iranian and Iraqi graves? we sure did cheer him on when he was gassing Iranians.....

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OK now we are down to 15,000 civilian casualties... far cry from a hundred grand.... like I said the number was absolute nonsense.
True it is kinda tough to tell the difference between an Iranian grave site and an Iraqi one.
If we count Iranians as a part of Saddam's deathcount the number grows quite a bit.

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also... again to show I'm not anti-american... I'm betting thats civilians killed as a result of the war...

but not all those casualities are the fault of the US, I'm pretty sure insurgent suicide bombers take up a lot of that responsibility (remeber that bomb last spring that killed like 150+ people?)

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quote:
OK now we are down to 15,000 civilian casualties... far cry from a hundred grand.... like I said the number was absolute nonsense.
hilarious. you're given 3 numbers and grab the lowest, with no scientific basis, only a personal emotional need to have the number come out lower. you don't seem to seek truth, only confirmation of your beliefs. (that's what they say most of us are doing, by the way.)
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below, excerpts from the article. for the whole text go to: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6596


Civilian death toll in Iraq exceeds 100,000

The invasion of Iraq in March 2003 by coalition forces has lead to the death of at least 100,000 civilians, reveals the first scientific study to examine the issue.
The majority of these deaths, which are in addition those normally expected from natural causes, illness and accidents, have been among women and children, finds the study, released early by The Lancet on Thursday.

The most common cause of death is as a direct result of violence, mostly caused by coalition air strikes, reveals the study of almost 1000 households scattered across Iraq. ...

The figure of 100,000 – estimated by extrapolating the surveyed households’ death toll to the whole population - is based on "conservative assumptions", notes Les Roberts at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Baltimore, US, who led the study.
That estimate excludes Falluja, a hotspot for violence. If the data from this town is included, the study points to about 200,000 excess deaths since the outbreak of war.

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Jack Straw, the UK government’s foreign minister says the government will "examine with very great care" the results of the study. "It is, however, an estimate that is based on very different methodology from standard methodology for assessing causalities, namely on the number of people reported to have been killed at the time," he told the BBC.

One major project, www.iraqbodycount.net, estimates up to 16,300 deaths in Iraq due to coalition forces. But this collects data on deaths reported in the press only. “We've always maintained that the actual count must be much higher," says Scott Lipscomb, at Northwestern University, Illinois, US, who works on the project. "I am emotionally shocked but I have no trouble in believing that this many people have been killed," he told The New York Times.

GPS sampling
The team of US and Iraqi scientists recorded mortality during the 15 months before the invasion and the 18 months afterwards. They carried out the survey of 988 Iraqi households in 33 different areas across Iraq in September 2004. Using a GPS (global positioning system) unit, the interviewers randomly selected towns within governates. They then visited the nearest 30 houses to the GPS point randomly selected.

Families living under one roof were asked about deaths in their household before and after the war. “Confirmation was sought to ensure that a large fraction of the reported deaths were not fabrications,” write the team. The interviewers did ask for death certificates, but only in two cases for each cluster of houses. This was because of concerns that implying the families were lying could trigger violence.

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orig. posted by Glassman:
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we sure did cheer him on when he was gassing Iranians.....
we did more than just cheer them on. we helped. we provided direct intel. "the idea was to keep the war going until they destroyed each other." said some admin. insider. the CIA provided satellite photos, signals intercepts. we helped iraq beat iran, and we chose to do this despite hussein's well-known atrocities.

WE WERE WILLING TO OVERLOOK GENOCIDE.

to say 10 years later (when it becomes politically useful to do so) that sadam is a tyrant and needs to be stopped is completely disingenuous.

pack of liars and crooks.

General Clarke said that while couples were still jumping hand-in-hand from the WTC to their deaths, the white house called him and said "pin it on Iraq."

It's alreadyknown that they were looking for a way to hit Iraq b4 911. So while americans were dying all these crooks could think of was "here's our chance."

meanwhile, DQR wants to debate the Iraqi death toll.

the following is from:
http://www.mykeru.com/bodycount.html
....Figures for persons killed under the regime of Saddam Hussein.... The sort of person who raises this as an argument frequently includes some or all of the 500,000 persons who died as a direct result of U.N. sanctions against Iraq as victims of the regime itself. This exclusion is not intended as a defense of the Hussein regime. However, it is the rejection of a red herring argument that atrocities committed by a brutal regime excuses--even justifies--our own atrocities against the same victims. And yes, killing [even a mere] several thousand innocent people for reasons so obscure or erroneous that the rationale shifts over time from WMDs to liberation to "weapons related program activities" to the "terrorist flypaper" strategy to basically whatever, pretty much makes every death an atrocity.

the average age of the American soldier in Iraq is 27....demographically, Iraq's population, as of January 1, 2004 breaks down as:

0-14 years: 40.3% (male 5,198,966; female 5,039,173)
15-64 years: 56.7% (male 7,280,167; female 7,094,688)
65 years and over: 3% (male 357,651; female 404,046) (2004 est.)

In other words, four of ten civilians killed are children.

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oh by the way, i was wrong about haliburton having paid cheney 4 mill as a severance pay when he left, (a week b4 cheney took office as VP). correction:
45 MILL.
FORTY FIVE MILLION..

oh, and it was in stock options. geee, wonder why haliburton got those contracts on a no-bid basis?
any ethics organization will tell you one is meant to recuse oneself from governmental dealings where one has a clear conflict of interest.

the bush administration has the worst ethics record in the history of the US. this situation of having 2 oil executives running the gov't is historically unprecedented. a small number of companies are getting phenomenally, obscenely rich . and in return 2/3 - 3/4 of these companies give generously to the campaign. it's essentially a maffia operation at this point.

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kevin 954:
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... I'm betting thats civilians killed as a result of the war...but not all those casualities are the fault of the US, I'm pretty sure insurgent suicide bombers take up a lot of that responsibility (remeber that bomb last spring that killed like 150+ people?)

no insurgent behavior would be happening if we were not occupying. we started the war. any resulting deaths are a result of the war that we started, with lies, and ulterior motives.

kevin954:
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... again to show I'm not anti-american
and again with this absurd "anti-american" idea. as if being against this war, or this administration of crooks, or the robbing of our precious civil liberties, or any of it at all -- is the equivalent of being ANTI-AMERICAN. the OPPOSITE is true. anyone who takes to the streets to fight injustice is fighting FOR america. the america worth loving. the one which deserves words like "freedom".
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damn, now i'm late.
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hmmm, a post of mine seems to have dissapeared...
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i saw it...not surprised, such language..you should be ashamed...

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wow, mine too. thank goodness. don't know what comes over me.

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lucy sybillastic

ps... who does that anyway?

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haha, I didn't think it was *that* offensive, at least not compared to some other things I've said and other people have said. Oh well, it was crude and this ain't my message board.
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i thought it was pretty funny too...

Lucy i don't know what to say..... [Big Grin]

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wow, i said "thank goodness." .. ??..
me & my stocks are having an identity crisis today..
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G:
Lucy i don't know what to say.....

L:
shhhhh... don't say anything G... just relax...

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leaving me speechless is quite an accomplishment....

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this war was a very smart move....it has saved america
over and over... its never been said publicly
but the war diverted the attention of the terrorits.

Now all those folks that say "lets kill americans"
are all hoping in there car and driving to iraq.

normally these fellows would be trying to get on a plane and come to america but instead they are leaving sudia arabia, syria, lebanon, Iran, afganastan and traveling to fight the great satan in Iraq...

Its better to fight them there then here.

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LOL yeah to be trained...
we just have ten times a s many to deal with now
and, they have new causes to get "worked up" over...

motivation.......

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i thought this quote from osama was pretty interesting. when he says government within a government... well ill leave that up to you [Smile]
OSAMA BIN LADEN CLAIMS HE'S BEING FRAMED
"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. There exists a government within the government of the United States. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.... The United States should trace the perpetrators of these attacks to those persons who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own nation could survive.
- Osama Bin Laden (Source: BBC)

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i don't believe that turbokid...

osama hated US for a lot of reasons...starting when we didn't set him up in Afghanistan after the war. he was fighting the Russians on our dime then...


and then when his own king/prince whatever hired US for the first gulf war, instead of arming him to protect the kuwait border...that was to keep him from gaining power inside Saudi Arabia...

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yeah sure he hated us,

but that attack .. something wasn't right about it. the way the buildings came straight down just like a controlled demolition? those live reports of ppl saying "that wasn't a commercial airliner! definitely not a commercial airliner.. grey.. no windows..." one of those was on CNN the morning of the attacks then never heard on mainstream press again..
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and the firemen hearing internal explosions? and the engineers who said the jet fuel would have been burnt out in the first 15 min, and after that it just would have been desks and walls burning, not hot enough to melt steel...

and how few ppl there were inside compared to how many could have been... and how there was no airliner fuselage at the pentagon.. and those stock market shorts... or whatever that was.. and how all you have to do is follow the money...and see who benefited from all of it...

add all of that to my deep seated impulse to believe in a conspiracy (over a pack of guys with box cutters) and it's pretty much an open and shut case.

cheney's silent coup.
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meeeeeeanwhile,
didn't we have some vid. footage of osama claiming responsibility after the attacks??... i recall it seemed sketchy somehow.. but... didn't that happen?
i'm confused. (not to mention depressed. purl was right, the market is going to hell and taking us with it!)

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yes it's very tuff trading right now....
the MM's are to blame LOL...JK


yes osam has claimed responsibilty...

i was surprised that so few people were actually killed too..that has never been 'splained very well...initial reports/estimates were saying 20K peoples....


i don't take that as proof of anything, except people were getting the heck outa dodge, and the cops & fireman were right there helping...

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i have been compiling articles of inconsistancies about sept 11th that include what lucy was saying and alot more, there was a little more going on as well. i will post when i complete it... [Smile]

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