Its complicated. It was devised by two brothers on a visit to the Amazon. After drinking some powerful jungle juice (aka Ayahuasca) they realise (infact were told by the elves that operate the machines that run the universe) that the I'Ching was the key to the universe and with some bizarre mathematical formula worked out that time is just one big wave, (bit like a stock chart) and it ends in 2012. Apparently this was before they knew about the Mayan calendar. The Mayans did take a lot of mushrooms too.
Its amazing what a few hallucinogenic plants can tell you isnt it?
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Time is a circle - never ends. Just goes round and round forever.
At 2012, as the Mayan calender ends, all life on earth will be destroyed, by a worldwide nuclear war, triggered initially by terrorist nuclear attacks in Russia. Russia thinks the U.S. did it and lauches a strike against the U.S. The U.S. retaliates by demolishing Russia, but one missile hits China by mistake, who thinks it comes from Europe and wipes out Europe. Nuclear fallout kills off the remaining life forms.
Radiated water is the sorce of new carbon molecules which form new microbes after many years. After many millions of years, life develops in increasingly complex forms of varying intellectual and motoric abilities. The most aggressive of these dominate and survive in competition for food and other resources. Because of their genetic history, the most dominate life form rule the earth, and due to their greater intelligence and aggressivity, beat out other species to rule the world. They have a strong group or herding instinct, which enabled them (along with intelligence and aggresivity) to dominate against other species, but which also makes them gather in separate groups based on hair color - the reds, blues, greens, blacks, and yellows group together. Sub-groups develop within hair-color groups, based on different beliefs in the Great Fairy (how the Great Fairy created the universe, and what we should do to please the Graet Fairy in order to escape the Great Fairy's wrath). Naturally they are at constant warfare with each other, and many sub-groups fight others based on the belief that it is their mission to destroy a sub-group because this is what the Great Fairy wants.
Naturally they develop nuclear weapons even though all traces of past human histoy and technolgy were lost. Then.......gues what happens?
As glassman would so wisely say:
...hmmmmm....
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quote:Originally posted by Art: Time is a circle - never ends. Just goes round and round forever.
At 2012, as the Mayan calender ends, all life on earth will be destroyed, by a worldwide nuclear war, triggered initially by terrorist nuclear attacks in Russia. Russia thinks the U.S. did it and lauches a strike against the U.S. The U.S. retaliates by demolishing Russia, but one missile hits China by mistake, who thinks it comes from Europe and wipes out Europe. Nuclear fallout kills off the remaining life forms.
Radiated water is the sorce of new carbon molecules which form new microbes after many years. After many millions of years, life develops in increasingly complex forms of varying intellectual and motoric abilities. The most aggressive of these dominate and survive in competition for food and other resources. Because of their genetic history, the most dominate life form rule the earth, and due to their greater intelligence and aggressivity, beat out other species to rule the world. They have a strong group or herding instinct, which enabled them (along with intelligence and aggresivity) to dominate against other species, but which also makes them gather in separate groups based on hair color - the reds, blues, greens, blacks, and yellows group together. Sub-groups develop within hair-color groups, based on different beliefs in the Great Fairy (how the Great Fairy created the universe, and what we should do to please the Graet Fairy in order to escape the Great Fairy's wrath). Naturally they are at constant warfare with each other, and many sub-groups fight others based on the belief that it is their mission to destroy a sub-group because this is what the Great Fairy wants.
Naturally they develop nuclear weapons even though all traces of past human histoy and technolgy were lost. Then.......guess what happens?
As glassman would so wisely say:
...hmmmmm....
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My two cents! After the rapture, and the tribulation period is over, the earth will be destroyed! When Israel bombs Irans nucleur facilities, get ready! The end will be near! Ezekiels prophecy!
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Yes, your mobius is an excellent geometric representation of time.
Round, Like a circle in a spiral Like a wheel within a wheel, Never ending or beginning, On an ever-spinning reel Like a snowball down a mountain, Or a carnival balloon Like a carousel that's turning Running rings around the moon Like a clock whose hands are sweeping Past the minutes on its face And the world is like an apple Spinning silently in space Like the circles that you find In the windmills of your mind...
The Windmills Of Your Mind - The Thomas Crown Affair
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There is a misnomer regarding the Mayan calender and the year 2012. According to the calender, it is reported that they beleive that the world will end AS WE KNOW IT, not that it will end outright. This can align with a number of things including biblical, astrological, etc...
Lets add a few things occurring RIGHT NOW that add credence to this year in many religions.
1. 2012 Mayan Calender ends
2. High Holy Days representation of the Rapture. Now, take a look at this parallel here. The end times biblically are represented by the Rapture, the 7 yr Tribulation, and Armegeddon (Day of Judgement (on the earth, not in Heaven)). In the Jewish faith, the High Holy days are like this...
1. Rosh Hashana (2 day New Year that is considered only 1 day on the calender). 7 days of T'shuva (time of repentence), and Yom Kippur, the day of Atonement.
Do you see the corelation there?
Now, 7 years from 2012 going backwards makes 2005, and if Rosh Hashanna (representation of rapture) is in September. A good prediction (not absolute) would be to watch it this year.
Also, it says that the first 3.5 years of the tribulation will be peaceful for Israel, but it will be a false peace. With the potential peace treaty with Palestine, and all the middle eastern countries starting to overthrow their tyranies or change their governmental policies, isnt it possible we may have a 'false peace' in Israel by September?
Thirdly, there was a group of Tibetan Monks that last year all had visions of a massive war starting in the year 2010, and as the scriptures say...
If Jesus tallied even another day, there would not be any flesh left alive on the Earth. (Armegeddon).
Just some food for thought, but it is interesting how several different cultures are pointing towards 2012 as a crux in the world.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: you might like this page Art, i didn't see anything in particaular that you haven't covered, but it may offer some new "perspective"
Thanks. Some very interesting tidbits here and there, but the theory as a whole is convoluted mumbo-jumbo BS.
I like Bohm's idea that light is a whole, without time or space, while matter is frozen or configured light. For this to make sense, the light that is whole has to be different from emitted light that we are familar with (with wave/particle aspects), while configured light makes up discrete particles.
This makes 3 categories of light:
Unified light outside of space or time that is a non-material (dark) energy.
Physical light as C in Einstein's equation of relativity.
Configured light waves intersecting as particles or matter. Matter is a point of wave intersections or overlaps, and only appears materially solid in our perception.
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i think of light as time... it IS rotational energy and the "transmission" of light is not in fact vector motion of photons, but an exchange of "data" from individual photon to the next... the universe as a "sea" of photons...
they are NEVER at rest... when we look at a star? we are seeing the ADDED energy of the star. when we look between the stars? we are still seeing photons, but they don't register as activated to our eye, or MOST other sensors
BUT
there were these guys at Bell labs (Penzias and Wilson) back in the 60's that got a Nobel prize for "seeing" black body radiation....(space whispering to us)
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Configured light waves intersecting as particles or matter. Matter is a point of wave intersections or overlaps, and only appears materially solid in our perception.
this is still the sticking point, eh?
electrons work, but nuclei?hmmmmmm...
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glassman: i think of light as time... it IS rotational energy and the "transmission" of light is not in fact vector motion of photons, but an exchange of "data" from individual photon to the next...
Art: How is the data exchanged if light is photons? And how is data exchanged faster than the speed of light? And how does light go 3oo times 186,000 miles per second (C) in a cesium medium?
The answer has to be that here light is a wave and exists everywhere at once in a unified whole. Photons are discrete manifestations of this unified wave, just as electrons and nuetrons and every other particle is.
glassman: they are NEVER at rest... when we look at a star? we are seeing the ADDED energy of the star. when we look between the stars? we are still seeing photons, but they don't register as activated to our eye, or MOST other sensors
Art: But this is material light, as photons, which can't be involved in teleportation, not non-material light as a unified wave structure underlying particles.
glassman: BUT..there were these guys at Bell labs (Penzias and Wilson) back in the 60's that got a Nobel prize for "seeing" black body radiation....(space whispering to us)
Art: We can't see infra red light but we can take photographs in the dark using infra red light and film sensitive to it. This is photon or material light, in time and space, and not non-material light outside time and space.
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Well, if you believe in the Word, the earth will be destroyed, and made new! Since Revelations is in the New Testament, you should understand why!
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Art: Configured light waves intersecting as particles or matter. Matter is a point of wave intersections or overlaps, and only appears materially solid in our perception.
glassman: this is still the sticking point, eh?
electrons work, but nuclei?hmmmmmm...
Art: No difference - both move as does every particle, in quantum leaps of position change.
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Kate: You speak the truth. Most religions/myths/grounding beliefs- state that the earth will end as we know it. I think the earth will try to shake us/humans off like a dog shakes to get rid of fleas. We are leaches and mother earth will erupt, quake and molt until the flea problem is taken care of.
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the quantum wave function is being expressed IN the rotation of each of these individual photons (even if they are not transmitting light to our eyes/sensors..)that make up the "sea" of space...
the light from a star far away reaches our eye as a point,
BUT
that star radiates light in ALL directions.. as do all of them... each individual photon making up the sea of space is capable of transmitting that information in all directions at the same time....
and is in fact doing so all the time...
black body (infrared) radiation from space at 2-3 deg K was a surpising find...
they say it "proves" the big bang, but as usual i am skeptical...
here's one to keep you from being bored...
the universe is about 30 billion years old... if the galaxies were finally formed 12 billion years ago? where would the edge of the universe be? considering whether the energy from the first stars was allowed to travel unfettered for 12 billion light years toward the edge of the universe? does the energy from a star define the edge? OR was the edge created in the beginning? as far as i know? we don't have any evidence that we have detected reflective "noise" from the edge.......
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glassman: OK, i'll try again, the quantum wave function is being expressed IN the rotation of each of these individual photons (even if they are not transmitting light to our eyes/sensors..)that make up the "sea" of space... the light from a star far away reaches our eye as a point, BUT that star radiates light in ALL directions.. as do all of them... each individual photon making up the sea of space is capable of transmitting that information in all directions at the same time....
Art: Yes but you fail to address the following points:
glassman: i think of light as time... it IS rotational energy and the "transmission" of light is not in fact vector motion of photons, but an exchange of "data" from individual photon to the next...
Art: How is the data exchanged if light is photons? And how is data exchanged faster than the speed of light? And how does light go 3oo times 186,000 miles per second (C) in a cesium medium?
The answer has to be that here light is a wave and exists everywhere at once in a unified whole. Photons are discrete manifestations of this unified wave, just as electrons and nuetrons and every other particle is.
glassman: they are NEVER at rest... when we look at a star? we are seeing the ADDED energy of the star. when we look between the stars? we are still seeing photons, but they don't register as activated to our eye, or MOST other sensors
Art: But this is material light, as photons, which can't be involved in teleportation, not non-material light as a unified wave structure underlying particles.
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glassman: the universe is about 30 billion years old...
Art: Yes, the material universe, or mass - energy existed always.
glassman: ...if the galaxies were finally formed 12 billion years ago? where would the edge of the universe be?
Art: energy has no limit or edge as it is evrywhere and nowhere simultaneously. The limits of mass started expanding at the first mass formation (big bang) and are still expanding
glassman: considering whether the energy from the first stars was allowed to travel unfettered for 12 billion light years toward the edge of the universe? does the energy from a star define the edge? OR was the edge created in the beginning?
Art: The limits of mass formation defines the ever-expanding edge, not the energy that is non-material (dark energy).
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Art: How is the data exchanged if light is photons? And how is data exchanged faster than the speed of light? And how does light go 3oo times 186,000 miles per second (C) in a cesium medium?
Ok, if you have 2 magnets that are far enough way from each other that no realationship is observed (there is STILL a relationship), and you place a bar of iron the proper size between them, a relationsip is suddenly observed.
the laser pumped cesium created a "field" of energy(iron bar) between the light emitter and the sensor..
this feild is in fact a better "transmitter" than space... it exceeds the speed of light (in a "vacuum" LOL) yes, that is because there is NO vacuum, space isn't a vacuum, and it's resonant frequency coresponds to 186,000mile per second...
the laser pumped cesium's frequency corresponds to a much higher value...
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Still doesn't explain how it arrives before it leaves - duration of travel is in negative time rather than forward or positive time.
Wave forward theory says the light is a wave extending to its destination as well as its departure point, before it leaves. This like my repositioning theory - the light really doesn't move it is reconfigured in discrete positions in series of quantum leaps perhaps in a series of teleportations. The cesium medium somehow facilitates this.
Who knows?
Nothing exists.
If anything exists it can not be accurately perceived/known as to its form of existence.
If it could be so perceived/known, it could not be accurately described.
If it were acurately described, no one else would understand it.
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Art:Still doesn't explain how it arrives before it leaves - duration of travel is in negative time rather than forward or positive time.
i think this (neg time)is pure semantic bs again...i explained this in as simple terms as possble for me. there is NO "instantaneous" trasnportation... FTL does not even BEGIN to imply "instantaneous" just that 186 m/s is NOT a true barrier....(as i previously pointed out)
the data doesn't arrive or leave before it is created. the feild created by the Cs is highly energised by the standing wave the lasers produce... look at Cs: 55 electrons means that it is already "crowded" on it's second shell from the outside..."pumping" more energy into them, and holding the energy in them? PROBABLY forced a lot of the electrons to significantly EXCEED their "normal" outer shell forcing them to travel faster than they "want" to because they are still "bound" to the nucleus..... this just allowed a SMALL PORTION of a light wave to be "transmitted" not a full wave...
this wasn't headlines newsworthy IMO, it was just Scientific Scintillation: politics to induce more granting....
if you read the paper as peresented in Nature,there was an incomplete waveform actually transmitted. therefore the data transmitted in that experimnet was in fact worthless...
obviously i still haven't 'splained this correctly, because i am unfamiliar with "amplification theory"
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