In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of many of today's entertainment performers, the real actors of yesteryear loved the United States.
They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country that many of us love.
They gave up their wealth, position and fame to become service men and women, many as simple "enlisted men".
This page lists but a few, but from this group of only 18 men came over 70 medals in honor of their valor, spanning from Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, Distinguish Service Cross', Purple Hearts and one Congressional Medal of Honor.
While the "Entertainers of 2004" have been in all of the news media tearing this country down, the entertainers of 1943 were risking their lives for their country (60 years ago).
Most of these brave men of a past era have since passed on.
The Real Hollywood Heroes:
Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft on D-Day.
James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U. S. Army on D-Day.
Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was an R. A. F. pilot who was shot down, held prisoner and tortured by the Germans.
David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British Commandos in Normandy.
James Stewart Entered the Army Air Force as a private and worked his way to the rank of Colonel. During World War II, Stewart served as a bomber pilot, his service record crediting him with leading more than 20 missions over Germany, and taking part in hundreds of air strikes during his tour of duty.
Stewart earned the Air Medal, the Distinguished Flying Cross, France's Croix de Guerre, and 7 Battle Stars during World War II.
In peace time, Stewart continued to be an active member of the Air Force as a reservist, reaching the rank of Brigadier General before retiring in the late 1950s.
Clark Gable (Mega-Movie Star when war broke out) Although he was beyond the draft age at the time the U.S. entered WW II, Clark Gable enlisted as a private in the AAF on Aug. 12, 1942 at Los Angeles. He attended the Officers' Candidate School at Miami Beach, Fla. and graduated as a second lieutenant on Oct. 28, 1942.
He then attended aerial gunnery school and in Feb. 1943 he was assigned to the 351st Bomb Group at Polebrook where flew operational missions over Europe in B-17s.
Capt. Gable returned to the U.S. in Oct. 1943 and was relieved from active duty as a major on Jun. 12, 1944 at his own request, since he was over-age for combat.
Charlton Heston was an Army Air Corps Sergeant in Kodiak.
Earnest Borgnine was a U. S. Navy Gunners Mate 1935-1945.
Charles Durning was a U. S. Army Ranger at Normandy earning a Silver Star and awarded the Purple Heart.
Charles Bronson was a tail gunner in the Army Air Corps, more specifically on B-29s in the 20th Air Force out of Guam, Tinian, and Saipan.
George C. Scott was a decorated U. S. Marine.
Eddie Albert (Green Acres TV) was awarded a Bronze Star for his heroic action as a U. S. Naval officer aiding Marines at the horrific battle on the island of Tarawa in the Pacific Nov. 1943.
Brian Keith served as a U.S. Marine rear gunner in several actions against the Japanese on Rabal in the Pacific.
Lee Marvin was a U.S. Marine on Saipan during the Marianas campaign when he was wounded earning the Purple Heart.
John Russell: In 1942, he enlisted in the Marine Corps where he received a battlefield commission and was wounded and highly decorated for valor at Guadalcanal.
Robert Ryan was a U. S. Marine who served with the O. S. S. in Yugoslavia.
Tyrone Power (an established movie star when Pearl Harbor was bombed) joined the U.S. Marines, was a pilot flying supplies into, and wounded Marines out of, Iwo Jima and Okinawa.
Audie Murphy, little 5'5" tall 110 pound guy from Texas who played cowboy parts?
Most Decorated serviceman of W.W.II and earned: Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, 2 Silver Star Medals, Legion of Merit, 2 Bronze Star Medals with "V", 2 Purple Hearts, U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal, Good Conduct Medal, 2 Distinguished Unit Emblems, American Campaign Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star, Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France) World War II Victory Medal Army of Occupation Medal with Germany Clasp, Armed Forces Reserve Medal, Combat Infantry Badge, Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar, Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar, French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre, French Legion of Honor, Grade of Chevalier, French Croix de Guerre With Silver Star, French Croix de Guerre with Palm, Medal of Liberated France, Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm.
So how do you feel the real heroes of the silver screen acted when compared to the hollywonks today who spray out anti-American drivel as they bite the hand that feeds them? Can you imagine these stars of yesteryear saying they hate our flag, making anti-war speeches, marching in anti-American parades and saying they hate our President?
Liberals hate the U.S.A. They see wasteful big government, with programs that don't work, as good, and big business whose growth provides jobs and increases the standard of living for all, as bad. They want to increase taxes, to increase the parasites in society, by robbing from those who earn and giving it to those who don't earn. The give moral support to the terrorists who kill us and our allies. Hopefully they will move to Canada, or to France or Germany, as they threaten to.
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Everyone was a veteran back then because practically everyone was involved in the war effort. You find another World War and draft some of the panzies they have in Hollywood now, and I guarantee, a few of them will prove themselves in battle.
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Ture, but why was everyone involved in the war effort back then and not now?
We suffered a sneak attack from the enemy, then and now, and we are in a war world now against terrorism.
Iraq is a key battle in the present world war on terrorism. Democracy in the mideast is our best weapon against terrorism - a democratic mideast means peace between all Arabs and all non-Arabs since the terrorists will be isolated as they are now in Iraq.
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No, we are not in a World War at all. Look at the percentage of population involved in combat in 1944 vs. percentage of world population engaged in combat now. I'm not talking about the reasons of the war, or importance. I'm talking about numbers.
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The answer is simple. Take a look at history did Sen Mcarthy not warn us of our enemies taking over holywood and our media. He has been horribly slandered for years just for exposing this. The communists that run holywood have the average person thinking the buzz word witch hunt everytime the name Joeseph Mcarthy is mentioned. He was a good man and a better senator and his acusations have mostly been proven true over time
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"Academics, who can't make it in the real world, withdraw to the La La land of academia, and are mostly liberal."
haha, thats awesome, I couldn't agree more. Its not just the fact that academics can't make it in the real world, its that they thumb their noses down on those who DO.
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I didn't say international war, I said World War, as a majority of the World is involved. Having COUNTRIES involved but not the actual citizens does not make it a World War.
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International War- Of, relating to, or involving two or more nations: an international commission; international affairs; international war
World War- a war in which the major nations of the world are involved
Sounds about the same, only thing I see different is in "world war" the term "major nations"
I would say a few of the countries in Iraq would consider them selves "Major Nations"
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Major nations (more than two) including European, Asian, South American nations, and Mideast nations, are fighting terrorism and have had their citizens kuilled by terroists.
It is a world war and an international war.
Those against it support thr terrorists. Those who question its method of fighting because they think more effective ways are available, are doing a service to the fight - except when their suggestions are obviously ineffective and proposed only to reduce our war effort (like we should treat terrorism purely as a judicial problem or we should use diplomacy instead of military actions).
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There is a big difference between fighting to destroy Nazi Germany and thwarting the mass genocide of millions of Jewish people, and protecting american oil interests with a slick veil of WMD.
I would have been down for the fight in the 40's just as my grandfathers were; however, I will be in Vancouver, BC quicker than you can say american world domination if they ask me to go to Iraq.
Not that I dislike my country, far from it, but my point is that the idea behind the two wars is entirely different, the comparison is apples to oranges, IMO.
This should get everyone going, eh...?
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quote:Originally posted by skipdeez: WWII compared to the war in Iraq?
There is a big difference between fighting to destroy Nazi Germany and thwarting the mass genocide of millions of Jewish people, and protecting american oil interests with a slick veil of WMD.
I would have been down for the fight in the 40's just as my grandfathers were; however, I will be in Vancouver, BC quicker than you can say american world domination if they ask me to go to Iraq.
Not that I dislike my country, far from it, but my point is that the idea behind the two wars is entirely different, the comparison is apples to oranges, IMO.
This should get everyone going, eh...?
Sure it is about oil. Terrorists could disrupt the mideast, as could have Saddam, enough to provoke a worldwide depression. Bush is avoiding such a world wide economic depression that would have us killing each other (within nations) for scraps of food.
Iraq is a key battle in the present world war on terrorism. Democracy in the mideast is our best weapon against terrorism - a democratic mideast means peace between all Arabs and all non-Arabs since the terrorists will be isolated as they are now in Iraq.
The U.S. military presence in Iraq will contain and reduce terrorism, will contain and reduce the influence of Iran and Syria, and will force the Palestinians to give up on destroying Israel and will eventually bring about an Arab-Israeli peace. As a result, oil wil continue to flow out of the mideast and enable the U.S. and world economy to avoid a severe depression.
The next depression will not be peaceful. Roving gangs will rob innocents and much starvation will result. If you don't think a serious disruption in the oil supply would provoke this you just have to look at what 9-11 did to the U.S. economy.
So, you have the right to not join the Armed Services in the U.S. But if you do join, you have to realize your life may be risked at any time you serve - that is the life of a soldier.
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quote:Originally posted by Sgt. Steiner: The answer is simple. Take a look at history did Sen Mcarthy not warn us of our enemies taking over holywood and our media. He has been horribly slandered for years just for exposing this. The communists that run holywood have the average person thinking the buzz word witch hunt everytime the name Joeseph Mcarthy is mentioned. He was a good man and a better senator and his acusations have mostly been proven true over time
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I don't know how old you are, Sgt Steiner, but I lived through all those "hearings" days. Mcarthy was little more than a stinking, lying, miserable piece of garbage who should have been hung up by his heels until he croaked. Innocent people were accused and seriously hurt because of him. Many could not make a living. Have you ever heard of a "Black List"? That was another of Mcarthy's doings. No actor, director, writer, etc. on that list could get work or make a living because of that basterd. Nothing was proven as to their being communists....it was just Mcarthy's (and I might add Nixon's) say so. These are FACTS!!! Just ask any actor or actress that lived and worked during those days. THAT MAN WAS A ROYAL SOB!!!
I will add this as well:
My wife was an actress during those days. She did radio, television and Broadway. While doing a show in Chicago called "Children's Hour", she and other little girls were called every possible name in the book because of that SOB. The reason was because the author of the play was accused by Mcarthy without proof of any kind whatsoever. That was just one of the things he accomplished.
I suggest you learn a little more about the damage that fool did to democracy!!!!
Oh, and by the way, those little girl were just trying to make a living and help their families while being called all kinds of names and having rotten tomatos thrown at them. Go ahead and give thanks to Mcarthy.
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For the record, I want to correct the spelling on that human piece of scum's name. It is McCarthy.
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By the way, we lost years of enjoyment from Zero Mostell because of McCarthy....as well as many others.
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You have to understand the atmosphere in the late 40s and early 50s.
We had fought a bloody war.
Russia developed the atomic bomb.
N. Korea, aided by communist Russia and China, invaded S. Korea.
The communists were openly talking of taking over the world with communism.
Many felt (correctly as we now know) that communism was wrong, and would produce an inferior standard of living for a country than adopted communism.
The communist movement was active in the U.S. in the 30s, 40s, and 50s.
Hollywood has always been leftist, and still is today. Hollywood has a big influence over the way people think. Many movies of the 30s and 40s are anti-capitalist and play up pity for the poor - they subtly argue for communism.
McCarthy saw a political opportunity for himself which he exploited in his communist witch hunt. Many people were sympathetic to him because of the political atmosphere described above. This is what politicians do. Some people always get hurt in politics. McCarthy ruined many careers, and the public soon caught onto what he was doing, and the witch hunt ended.
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Art: Hollywood has always been leftist, and still is today. Hollywood has a big influence over the way people think. Many movies of the 30s and 40s are anti-capitalist and play up pity for the poor - they subtly argue for communism.
Wallace: That's an extremely broad brush you are painting with there, Art. All you hear about is the most vocal because the news loves that crap. The majority are no different from you and I when it comes to leanings and are extremely conservative.
Art: McCarthy saw a political opportunity for himself which he exploited in his communist witch hunt. Many people were sympathetic to him because of the political atmosphere described above. This is what politicians do. Some people always get hurt in politics. McCarthy ruined many careers, and the public soon caught onto what he was doing, and the witch hunt ended.
Wallace: Here, I must agree with you 100%. As a matter of fact, I spoke with my wife about those days and about this thread this morning. She used the exact same words.
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Wallace: That's an extremely broad brush you are painting with there, Art. All you hear about is the most vocal because the news loves that crap. The majority are no different from you and I when it comes to leanings and are extremely conservative.
Art: Many actors and actresses say that if you are conservative, you had better keep it to yourself, if you want to get work. Likely many of the executives are conservative but the closer you get to the film making level, the more likely a person is liberal.
The wall street crash and consequent depression made people hate big business and turn liberal. Movies like "Grapes of Wrath", "It happened One Night", "Meet John Does", portrayed working people as oppressed by rich capitalists who had everything while others starved or had a tough time of it.
Liberals nourished this class warfare to get votes, political power, and riches. Liberals continue to feed on such malcontent and many liberal voters hate capitalism and the U.S.
The pronblem is that socialism/communism fails, as is happening in Europe today. European economic growth is poor and they are facing a recession. The U.S. is on a liberal trend and will suffer eventually - Bush may raise taxes on the rich (communistic idea) to get Social Security reform. This income redistribution trend is communistic (tries to achieve "each according to his/her need") and will eventiually stiffle economic growtyh, reducing the standard of living for everyone.
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quote:Originally posted by Art: Wallace: That's an extremely broad brush you are painting with there, Art. All you hear about is the most vocal because the news loves that crap. The majority are no different from you and I when it comes to leanings and are extremely conservative.
Art: Many actors and actresses say that if you are conservative, you had better keep it to yourself, if you want to get work. Likely many of the executives are conservative but the closer you get to the film making level, the more likely a person is liberal.
The wall street crash and consequent depression made people hate big business and turn liberal. Movies like "Grapes of Wrath", "It happened One Night", "Meet John Does", portrayed working people as oppressed by rich capitalists who had everything while others starved or had a tough time of it.
Liberals nourished this class warfare to get votes, political power, and riches. Liberals continue to feed on such malcontent and many liberal voters hate capitalism and the U.S.
The pronblem is that socialism/communism fails, as is happening in Europe today. European economic growth is poor and they are facing a recession. The U.S. is on a liberal trend and will suffer eventually - Bush may raise taxes on the rich (communistic idea) to get Social Security reform. This income redistribution trend is communistic (tries to achieve "each according to his/her need") and will eventually stiffle economic growtyh, reducing the standard of living for everyone.
We need to stop penalizing big business and the rich. Business provides jobs and growth while the rich provide leadership - both should be allowed to keep more of what they earn and not less - rewarded rather than punished.
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Well, with Georgie boy in office (and bear in mind that I am probably quite conservative) big business doesn't have to worry, since he can almost get a rubber stamp from his Republican (and I have been a Republican all my adult life) cronies in both the Senate and Congress.
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Many Republicans are disenchanted with Bush's big spending and Bush can not expect their full support on further domestic spending.
Democrats do not want SS reform to come from the Republicans, since Republicans already have too much polictical favor at this point. Democrats will insist that the already overly taxed rich are even more overly taxed to pay for SS, as a way to block SS reform and make the Republicans look bad. Most people will like this because they want to steal from the rich, even more than is being done now with income redistribution taxation.
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Interesting TV show on Fox Cable last night.
Hollywood versus America
It was like a news magazine that spent most of its time trying to find conservatives who work in the acting field. Most conservatives did not tell Fox News who there were so they wouldnt be ostracized, or 'black listed' themselves.
Its funny how 'tolerance' seesm to work only when you beleive as they do.
On a side note, it was pointed out that Conservative Movies will be produced if they can prove they make money... money is still the root of all greed there. But, it is quite hard to get a conservative, family oriented movie past the production studios in Hollywood becasue their opinions are pretty well set in stone.
The Doctor
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Hollywood claims they only reflect existing cultural values, but they also promote certain values that influence and mold future attitudes in the culture.
One should be careful what they believe - your false attitudes will restrict enlightening thought but the truth will allow your enlightenment to expand. We should strive for a level of understanding that allows us to see more of the truth and less of the falseness of an idea or value.
Our understanding should always be evolving.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: many republicans have been disenchanted with Bush for more than spending for a long time...
as i stated months ago, the truth is gonna all come out... and the "latest tapes" are just the tip of the iceberg....
hmmmm.. sorta reminds me of rush, the conservative perc head? LOL
Why are they disenchanted with Bush, other than his spending?
The tapes are nothing - actually complementary considering that Bush did not realize that he was being taped, thought he was in private conversation, and said nothing incriminating or damaging. Clinton or Gore would not have done so well in such secret spy-taping.
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saw Michael Crichton speak about his latest book "State of Fear"....(haven't read it yet, but i have my copy and it's already on the to do stack) he's hellywood to the bone...and i think he has sold out to the "conservatives"...just my opinion, but, i became severely disenchanted with his pontification when he stated that Californication's electric car laws failed due to lack of consumer interest, when in fact they were "killed" by the Enron/electricity pricing scheme...and we all just know (even if we can't prove it, YET) who cooked that deal....
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We worry about tapes recorded in a private conversation with a spiritual advisor, that should be protected under the Constitution similar to medical records.
But we didnt really go in depth to the 'missing' or shredded Whitewater documents that are not protected, and where in fact subpoened.
Im not arguing for or against Bush or for or against Clinton... just like I thought Nixon was a buffoon for lying and harboring his tapes in 1974.
Think about it... it takes a very ambitious (not necessarily good) man to want to be in public service seeing the intense scrutiny they will incur. That means that the desire for power is far more intoxicating than the potential that the press will drag you and your family through the mud.
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so now it's a spiritual advisor he was speaking to? Bush's behaviour was/is well-known... the fact is these "dirty little secrets" would seriously affect the "clearances" of most normal applicants to positions of security importance, due the blackmail possibilities...when Bush first threw his hat into the ring (5 yrs ago?) many scoffed, because they "knew"...
truth is stranger than fiction...
my only real point here is that the "pandering" to the new conservative movement was so obvious to some of us...
i'll be interested to see how the midwest support reacts to the new proposed budget, which has deep agricultural subsidies cuts--- more loss of "constituency"
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How many farms in America are not owned by corporations?
3% now of course, some of them are Co-ops and family owned corporations, but that only takes the number to 10%.
Why are my tax dollars paying for corporate farms?
And what is this 'new' conservative movement? The conservatives have always been there, they just dont stand up and protest like the left, they dont have the TV media backing them up like the left, and they finally went out and voted this last election.
Here's something also you need to look at. Conservatives are not activists by nature. Just becasue you see the media showing the radicals does not make them the majority. In the 1960's, the hippie movement was actually a very SMALL percentage, and yet they write now about that era as if it were the absolute mainstream.
Liberalism has its place in America, but not at the expense of intolerance and me losing my rights. The biggest aspect of conservatives versus Liberals is NOT individual issues such as Gay Rights, or Abortion... its Societal Rights versus Individual Rights. A country that each individual has their own rights is anarchy, becasue how can you respect anothers rights if they interfere with yours?
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