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you're wasting your breath....the vote was counted...the stage is set, the ball is rolling...and none of the peopel who don't already understand what you are saying has the common sense to try to figure out what you are trying to tell them....why do you think Collin Powell quit?
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quote:
Originally posted by turbokid:
i like this thread but alot of people are missing a very important point about terrorism.. all these attacks on our embassies, ships and the twin towers are in retaliation for our military and finacial support of israel, who invaded and are illegally occupying palestinian land. And whenever israel decides to roll into palestine (with US supplied tanks and f-16s) and kill some people it echoes throughout the muslim world that the united states is supporting these acts against there people.. and they cant compete with the US militarily, so terrorism is their tactic of choice..

It makes me wonder alot about how the US always comes to the aid whenever one country invades another. ie kuwait, but israel has been doing this to the palestinians for decades and we give them money and weapons.. ???? that can only mean one thing, the united states supports these acts against palestinians and for that reason we will continue to be the target for terrorism, period.


Palestinians have controlled Israel for a paltry six years out of the nearly six thousand that it has been fought over.
The fact is that Jews were there first and every attempt to take it from them has found failure. The current Palestinian insurgency is nothing more than an attempt to show Jews as oppressors.
You are not correct in assuming that our defense of Israel has bought us a target sign.
It is the freeness of our society that encourages their hate for us.
If devotion to Israel is the only way to draw Islam's fury then why does India need nukes to defend itself from Muslim nations?



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funny DQR, India didn't NEED nukes till we (US and Britain) taught the Paki's to build them...LOL

you are correct about the Palestinians having NO MORE claim than the current Israeli's tho....

it IS definitely about anti-semitism .....
refusing to recognise the hebrew factor in all of this???? big mistake, and it's not just middle-easterners either...EU anti-semitism is a major part of the problem...

th e goals from here, should be about maintaning balance...we don't really want to try run these countries...we just think we do...
those who do not understand how the universe is designed are constantly beseeching God to allow them to cheat....LOL
Jesus isn't going to let US cheat any more than Allah will let them cheat....we are buying ourselves a lot more headaches than we are getting rid of....
the scary part is that some fools actually believe God loves them more than others and will intervene....

don't you find it odd that these terrorists who "hate" our freedom are in fact succeeding in reducing it?
and the people who say they love it so much are screaming bloody murder to make sure they control what the others of US do?????
it's not even about freedom at all...it's about CONTROL of others....

did you catch the sam CIA guy who quit today? he says we didn't try hard enough to catch him too....wonder why?....

the other thing to keep in mind...cultures don't change overnight....the only reason WE are as free as we are is that we isolated/separated ouselves from our European forefathers....most people prefer to live within the confines of a well-defined order...just like pets bred and raised in cages....they don't KNOW what to do when they are left out.....most don't even WANT to be left out...

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Glass, go back and read some history about the conflict between Hindus and Muslims... Been going on for a while. Infact a warrior sect was created for the specific purpose of quelling the bloodshed between these two religions... the sect or religion however you want to think of it is called Sikhism.. Created by Nannuk many years before nukes were even a glimmer in the third eye of the most crazed pyromaniac.
Pakistan in a roundabout way learned how to make nukes from us.
China learned about nukes from Russia and us.
You can thank B.J. Kleenton for that one.
China gave this knowledge to their best WMD storefront (North Korea).
Pakistan bought this knowledge from Kim Jong Ill for a handsome price.
You are right in that the "Hebrew factor" as you call it should not be forgotten. We should all read the history of Israel before even making the attempt to come to a conclussion. You are also correct in saying EU anti-semitism is the problem.
The palistinian insurgency exsists to show the feeble minded populous how "mean" the Jews really are.
We have no desire to "run" Israel. Infact they tell us to screw ourselves quite often.
Maintaining balance?
What the hell does that mean?
What balance does fundamentalist Islam seek?
Their balance means we die and they live.
There is no balance.
The next part of your reply begs for me offer to you an apology for all the many times I called you a moron because I am pretty sure you actually understand what "Free Will" means.
Do I find it odd that they have suceeded in reducing our freedoms?
No.

I didn't catch the press release from the disgruntled C.I.A. employee who quit recently. Nor did I have the time to track down where the six figure deposit to his offshore account came from just prior to his PR.
Glass, not one person in the admin. assumes it is remotely probable to change an entire culture overnight. It just won't happen. If we push too hard too fast then their will be an adolescent like rebellion. If we push too slow there will be the opportunity for the fundamentalists to move into an underground mentality much like the Nazis and commies have done.


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quote:
Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco:
You are not correct in assuming that our defense of Israel has bought us a target sign.
It is the freeness of our society that encourages their hate for us.

its our freeness ?.. are you kidding me..? well i must give the media kudos for successfully leading you to believe they hate our freedom..
the following is a compilation of osama bin ladens speeches since 1997, let me know if you detect a pattern...

Why do they hate us? asked the apathetic, uninformed American public on September 11th. Israel's spokesmen in the US, aka the government and mainstream media, responded with the ludicrous notion that we were attacked because the terrorists hate democracy and freedom, and absolutely, positively NOT because of anything to do with Israel. (You must be an anti-Semite for even thinking that!) Judge for yourself:

Osama bin Laden
March 29, 1997

We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust,
criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon).


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Due to its subordination to the Jews the arrogance and haughtiness of the US regime has reached, to the extent that they occupied the qibla of the Muslims (Arabia) who are more than a billion in the world today. For this and other acts of aggression and injustice, we have declared jihad against the US...


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Today, the nation is interacting well by uniting its efforts through jihad against the US
which has in collaboration with the Israeli government led the ferocious campaign against the Islamic World in occupying the holy sites of the Muslims.


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With a simple look at the US behaviors, we find that it judges the behavior of the poor
Palestinian children whose country was occupied: if they throw stones against the Israeli occupation, it says they are terrorists whereas when the Israeli pilots bombed the United Nations building in Qana, Lebanon while was full of children and women, the US stopped any plan to condemn Israel.


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But I say if the American government is serious about
avoiding the explosions inside the U.S., then let it stop provoking the feelings of 1,250 million Muslims. Those hundreds of thousands who have been killed or displaced in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, do have brothers and relatives. They would make of Ramzi Yousef a symbol and a teacher. The U.S. will drive them to transfer the battle into the United States. Everything is made possible to protect the blood of the American citizen while the bloodshed of Muslims is allowed in every place. With this kind of behavior, the U.S. government is hurting itself, hurting Muslims and hurting the American people.


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It is he (Bill Clinton) who is a terrorist who pushed their sons into this for the sake of the Israeli interest. We believe that the American army in Saudi Arabia came to separate between the Muslims and the people for not ruling in accordance with Allah's wish. They came to be in support of the Israeli forces in occupied Palestine, the land of the "Israa" of our Prophet (PBUH).


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Osama bin-Laden
May 1998 interview:

Their [US troops in Saudi Arabia] presence has no meaning save one and that is to offer support to the Jews in Palestine who are in need of their Christian brothers to achieve full control over the Arab Peninsula which they intend to make an important part of the so called Greater Israel. ...


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For over half a century, Muslims in Palestine have been slaughtered and assaulted and robbed of their honor and of their property. Their houses have been blasted, their crops destroyed. And the strange thing is that any act on their part to avenge themselves or to lift the injustice befalling them causes great agitation in the United Nations which hastens to call for an emergency meeting only to convict the victim and to censure the wronged and the tyrannized whose children have been killed and whose crops have been destroyed and whose farms have been pulverized. ...


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And while the slogans raised by those regimes call for humanity, justice, and peace, the behavior of their governments is completely the opposite. It is not enough for their people to show pain when they see our children being killed in Israeli raids launched by American planes, nor does this serve the purpose. What they ought to do is change their governments which attack our countries. The hostility that America continues to express against the Muslim people has given rise to feelings of animosity on the part of Muslims against America and against the West in general. Those feelings of animosity have produced a change in the behavior of some crushed and subdued groups who, instead of fighting the Americans inside the Muslim countries, went on to fight them inside the United States of America itself.


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The enmity between us and the Jews goes far back in time and is deep rooted. There is no question that war between the two of us is inevitable. For this reason it is not in the interest of Western governments to expose the interests of their people to all kinds of retaliation for almost nothing. It is hoped that people of those countries will initiate a positive move and force their governments not to act on behalf of other states and other sects.


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The leaders in America and in other countries as well have fallen victim to Jewish Zionist blackmail.


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Your position against Muslims in Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame.


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The fatwah is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims.


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He [Ramzi Yousef, who bombed the WTC in 93] acted with zeal to make the Americans understand that their government was attacking Muslims in order to safeguard the American-Jewish interests. ...


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We are certain - with the grace of Allah - that we shall prevail over the Jews and over those fighting with them.


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Our mothers and daughters and sons are slaughtered every day with the approval of America and its support. And, while America blocks the entry of weapons into Islamic countries, it provides the Israelis with a continuous supply of arms allowing them thus to kill and massacre more Muslims.


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I say to them that they have put themselves at the mercy of a disloyal government, and this is most evident in Clinton's administration ... . We believe that this administration represents Israel inside America. Take the sensitive ministries such as the Ministry of Exterior and the Ministry of Defense and the CIA, you will find that the Jews have the upper hand in them. They make use of America to further their plans for the world, especially the Islamic world. American presence in the Gulf provides support to the Jews and protects their rear. And while millions of Americans are homeless and destitute and live in abject poverty, their government is busy occupying our land and building new settlements and helping Israel build new settlements in the point of departure for our Prophet's midnight journey to the seven heavens. America throws her own sons in the land of the two Holy Mosques for the sake of protecting Jewish interests. ...


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The American government is leading the country towards hell. ... We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests not the interests of the Jews. If the present injustice continues with the wave of national consciousness, it will inevitably move the battle to American soil, just as Ramzi Yousef and others have done. This is my message to the American people. I urge them to find a serious administration that acts in their interest and does not attack people and violate their honor and pilfer their wealth. ...


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Osama bin Laden
October 7, 2001 statement:

Israeli tanks and tracked vehicles wreak havoc in Palestine, Jenin, Ramallah, Rafah, Beit Jala and other Islamic areas and we hear no voices raised or moves made.


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Al-Quaida spokesman
October 10, 2001:

Let the United States know that with God's permission, the battle will continue to be waged on its territory until it leaves our lands, stops its support for the Jews, and lifts the unjust embargo on the Iraqi people who have lost more than one million children.


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Al-Quaida spokesman
October 14, 2001:

The issue at hand is the issue of an entire nation that opposes humiliation and subservience under the yoke of US arrogance and Jewish persecution.


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"Bush, in the midst of his arrogance, media frenzy, and the enduring freedom that he boasts about must not forget the video footage of Muhammad al-Durrah [a Palestinian child killed by Israeli troops in the early days of the Palestinian intifada in the Gaza Strip] and his brothers, Muslim children in Palestine and Iraq.


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This truth shows that Bush is an agent of Israel and sacrifices his people and his country's economy for those and helps them occupy the Muslims' land and persecute their sons.


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Osama bin-Laden
November 3, 2001

Palestinians and Iraqis: But when we move to Palestine and Iraq, there can be no bounds to what can be said. Over one million children were killed in Iraq. The killing is continuing. As for what is taking place in Palestine these days, I can only say we have no one but God to complain to. What is taking place cannot be tolerated by any nation. I do not say from the nations of the human race, but from other creatures, from the animals. They would not tolerate what is taking place. A confidant of mine told me that he saw a butcher slaughtering a camel in front of another camel. The other camel got agitated while seeing the blood coming out of the other camel. Thus, it burst out with rage and bit the hand of the man and broke it. How can the weak mothers in Palestine endure the killing of their children in front of their eyes by the unjust Jewish executioners with US support and with US aircraft and tanks? Israel and US "are one": Those who distinguish between America and Israel are the real enemies of the nation
Osama bin Laden
November 7, 2001:

The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their government, they elect their president, their government manufactures arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures and this proves that the entire America is responsible for the atrocities perpetrated against Muslims.


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The Jewish lobby has taken America and the West hostage.


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Osama bin Laden
December 27, 2001

Our terrorism against the United States is blessed, aimed at repelling the oppressor so that America stops its support for Israel.


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Osama bin Laden
November 2002

Our kinfolk in Palestine have been slain and severely tortured for nearly a century. If we defend our people in Palestine, the world becomes agitated and allies itself against Muslims, unjustly and falsely, under the pretense of fighting terrorism.


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These actions were carried out by the zealous sons of Islam in defense of their religion and in response to the order of their God and prophet. ... What Bush, the pharaoh of this age, was doing in terms of killing our sons in Iraq, and what Israel, the United States' ally, was doing in terms of bombing houses that shelter old people, women and children with U.S.-made aircraft in Palestine were sufficient to prompt the sane among your rulers to distance themselves from this criminal gang.


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If you were distressed by the deaths of your men and the men of your allies in Tunisia, Karachi, Failaka, Bali and Amman, remember our children who are killed in Palestine and Iraq everyday.


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Osama bin Laden
November 24th 2002

Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

You attacked us in Palestine:

Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its price, and pay for it heavily.


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The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.


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These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.


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Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.


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You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.


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The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.


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Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.


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...the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.


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We also call you to deal with us and interact with us on the basis of mutual interests and benefits, rather than the policies of subdual, theft and occupation, and not to continue your policy of supporting the Jews because this will result in more disasters for you.



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quote:
Originally posted by DiQuiRiesco:
quote:
Originally posted by turbokid:
i like this thread but alot of people are missing a very important point about terrorism.. all these attacks on our embassies, ships and the twin towers are in retaliation for our military and finacial support of israel, who invaded and are illegally occupying palestinian land. And whenever israel decides to roll into palestine (with US supplied tanks and f-16s) and kill some people it echoes throughout the muslim world that the united states is supporting these acts against there people.. and they cant compete with the US militarily, so terrorism is their tactic of choice..

It makes me wonder alot about how the US always comes to the aid whenever one country invades another. ie kuwait, but israel has been doing this to the palestinians for decades and we give them money and weapons.. ???? that can only mean one thing, the united states supports these acts against palestinians and for that reason we will continue to be the target for terrorism, period.

Palestinians have controlled Israel for a paltry six years out of the nearly six thousand that it has been fought over.
The fact is that Jews were there first and every attempt to take it from them has found failure. The current Palestinian insurgency is nothing more than an attempt to show Jews as oppressors.
You are not correct in assuming that our defense of Israel has bought us a target sign.
It is the freeness of our society that encourages their hate for us.
If devotion to Israel is the only way to draw Islam's fury then why does India need nukes to defend itself from Muslim nations?

That guy was right on the money..

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