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bdgee
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Let me see. We invade Iraq, a relatively small and insignifican country, without reason other than lies and then compare Iraq to Nazi Germany?

Wasn't it Germany that created lies as justification for invading relatively small and insignifican countries and, thereby, started WWII?

The U.S. did not fight Germany willingly. The U.S. was attacked at this place called Pearl Harbor by Japan and Germany declared war on us as a result.

Iraq DID NOT ATTACK THE U.S. and never threatented to or provided aid or comfort to any people that did!

Remember, dubya was a draft dodger and a deserter and has a long and substantial history as a liar and mental midget. He probably does think the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, as originally written, gave women the right to vote. If he doesn't believe that, he'll find some need to tell the lie anyway. It's a personality thing.

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All I know is the closer I get to 60 years old the less a moron makes me laugh and now one is running our country with 34% of the population behind him. My wish sure did not come true. Maybe if I started sniffing glue for a year he would make more sense to me.
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He the only President I have known in my life that knows the truth will work if told to the American people but what the hell he will lie any way when he does not have to . i guess its a way of life to some people.
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holy smokes batman:

gee? this guy was selling weapons to the Iranians and he still works in our administration?


Elliott Abrams


Elliott Abrams: appointed February 2, 2005, as Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Global Democracy Strategy.
In this capacity, Abrams will assist Stephen J. Hadley "in work on the promotion of democracy and human rights, and will provide oversight" to the National Security Council's directorate of Democracy, Human Rights, and International Organization Affairs and its directorate of Near East and North African Affairs. Abrams will work with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Hadley, and "will maintain his involvement in Israeli/Palestinian affairs."

"Abrams has served as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Near East and North African Affairs since December 2002. Prior to holding that position, he was Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights and International Operations."
Abrams was first appointed to the National Security Council by George Walker Bush. He served as Assistant Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan.

Elliott Abrams received his bachelor's degree from Harvard (1969), earned a master's in International Relations from the London School of Economics, and received his J.D. from Harvard Law School (1973).
Abrams, considered to be a "neo-con", is a signatory of the January 26, 1998, Project for the New American Century (PNAC Letter (http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm)) sent to President William Jefferson Clinton.



Proclamation 6518
Grant of Executive Clemency
December 24, 1992

By the President of the United States of America

A Proclamation
Today I am exercising my power under the Constitution to pardon former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and others for their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair.
I have also decided to pardon five other individuals for their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair: Elliott Abrams, Duane Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George, and Robert McFarlane. First, the common denominator of their motivation--whether their actions were right or wrong--was patriotism. Second, they did not profit or seek to profit from their conduct. Third, each has a record of long and distinguished service to this country. And finally, all five have already paid a price--in depleted savings, lost careers, anguished families--grossly disproportionate to any misdeeds or errors of judgment they may have committed.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/pardonsex5.htm

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Glass...,

You should have reminded those in too big a hurry to dismiss this Administration just who was proclaiming:


"NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE BUSH, President of the United States of America, pursuant to my powers under Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, do hereby grant a full, complete, and unconditional pardon to Elliott Abrams, Duane R. Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George, Robert C. McFarlane, and Caspar W. Weinberger for all offenses charged or prosecuted by Independent Counsel Lawrence E. Walsh or other member of his office, or committed by these individuals and within the jurisdiction of that office.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-fourth day of December, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and ninety-two, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and seventeenth.

GEORGE BUSH
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Just imagin if Clinton did something like this the kool-aide drinkers would have had a real field day and he would have been run out of office
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Clinton pardoned a lot, and i do mean a LOT, of people convicted of cocaine trafficing and bank fraud..
remember the Savings and Loan scandals?

they are all crooks, and need to be "called down" by the PEOPLE....

it's supposed to be a government by the people and for the people....

there is a woman who lost both her legs in Iraq (and is now retired military) running for office in Ohio...

i hope she can get elected, and i don't care if she's a GOP or a DEM.....

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Clinton was no angle I agree Glass I think when these people get elected they don't remember it is to carry out our will and to explain to us the reason that why they don't feel it a good thing to do. There are times in emergencies that we may grant them the right to be less democratic but those time should be few and far between. IMHO
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Clinton didn't pardon anyone charged with aiding an enemy of the U.S., Bush did.
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quote:
Originally posted by futuresobjective:
I think the president did very well. It is hard to stand up and talk about issues that will determine this countries future when you have a person that stands up and refuses to state any one real opinion or goal. At least one that they believe to be true, rather than what the polls state should be said. kerry says what will help him in the polls. That is a scary thought. President Bush did what the world agreed should be done. He made the choices Kerry appluaded when he was not running for office. Then the world reacs, bleading heart liberals come out of the walls, and say that people are getting hurt. Sad but true, and neccesary. 12 years of un sanctions and no results. Something had to be done, the world agreed. Then when the polls started to turn for kerry he changed his mind. You can not have it oth ways. If you start something you must see it through.
The world, agreed that sadam had to be ousted. The world did agree on that. Including Kerry (until his polls started to change). I think kerry even said "if you think otherwise you dont belong in the whitehouse". Now I am not saying that Kerry would not be a good leader, but I do feel he will be the wrong leader at the wrong place at the wrong time. This country needs to have someone who will follow through on anything is starts. You can not free a country from a murderous leader and then just leave. Sending more troops, may be necessary. However I do agree with many others that the best way to help a country become united is to point them ni the right direction and allow them to do it themselves. We have done that, and now after being asked to stay (by the iraq leaer we stay. Now Kerry, France and Germany, they want nothing to do with iraq. In fact they want nothing to do with mulsims at all. France has even stated that if kerry is president they will not join the effort. Their not joining has nothing to do with President Bush, it has to do with their hatred of the muslim people. The EU for example. They did not want to include Turkey, becuase they are a mostly muslim country. Heck even in their own country they outlawed the wearing of those things muslim women wear to cover their heads. That means that they denied women the right to freedom of religion. There is a lot to be skeptical of there.
Kerry is not a leader (in my opinion) and in no way does he have the ability to follow through with what needs to be done. Much like Clinton who stopped going after osama bin laden when the "polls showed that he was losing points", kerry will do the same. That is not a leader, that is a follower. Osama could have been taken out (maybe) but the polls showed that people did not like the fact that we were engaging the enemy. Kerry is the same, He says one thing, then to help benefit his polls, he says another. The president of this country has to do what is best for this country not for himself as a polotician.
Tax's Kerry has the wrong idea. If you want to help people you dont make them dependent on the country you help create jobs. Kerrys tax plan will cause a slowdown of new jobs. The VP even stated it during the debate. 7 out of 10 jobs come from companies that will be hurt financially from his tax ideas.

As for Kerry I leave this link to a video that is the most confusing thing I have ever seen. Never before have I seen one person contradict himself so much. ENJOY.
http://www.kerryoniraq.com/


http://www.kerryoniraq.com/

here CashCowMoo

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Well, Tricky Dick did it, and took one for the team.

Mr. Kerry while an honorable man isn't that risky of an individual. Now Bob Dole of which I was his limo driver for him back in the day USSS trans coordinator: must say, thats one smart man.

Kerry's a good senator not a presidential type IMO. I've met a couple of Presidents, Mr. Bush Sr for example, shrud dude. Gets pissed off when he can't find his golf cleets.

Good in times of war, Hope Jr. can finish the job without us Americans who put him there getting in the way while he is on duty and this is his watch, so let W finish and in 08 we will see whats up.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
NO, obviously, you haven't read enough of my posts.
Hillary scares me a lot....

get this...if Bush wins...

Hillary will be running in 08...

if Kerry wins, Hillary won't be running, but Jeb might, which is just as bad...

i have NEVER voted for a single Democrat in my life.....


[This message has been edited by glassman (edited October 15, 2004).]

hey Munchie? check out the date on this post posted October 15, 2004 18:40

..Hillary versus Jeb. i predicted it as LIKELY if Kerry lost in '04...

a third party candidate could finally win the election if this happened....

heck, i'll give every waking hour of my life to support a third party candidate if it's Hillary VS Jeb

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