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oh and by the way,FO, if a few stray rounds fro m the SWAT sniper go astray? who cares?
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Well Glass, my grandfather was abusive, but my Dad wasn't, and none of my aunts and uncles are, so I guess it depends on what kind of choices you make in your life, whether you do what they do, or not do what they do! You wouldn't have time to hire snipers, if you are referring to the previous story! It would be too late!
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He keeps spending war dollars to bring democracy to other nations....I wish as much money was spent in this country to ensure more than 50% of the eligible voters would get off their asses and go to the polls. We are suppose to be the Nation of Freedom of Choice. He won on issues that take such freedoms away from people. This is all I've said about it since the election and it's all I'm gonna say about it. Sadly, this veterans Flag will remain in the drawer another four years as I refuse to fly it while he continues to embarrass it.
quote:Originally posted by futuresobjective: A buddy of mine sent this to me figured I would post it. An explanation of the war in Iraq to a child. If you ask me it was a little much for a kid, and it lacks the many reasons behind the war, but still I thought it to be a little moving. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Don't close your blinds
> > The other day, my nine year old son wanted to know why we were at >war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband >and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to >serve and defend our Country again today. I knew that my husband would >give him a good explanation.
> > My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go >stand in our front living room window. He said "Son, stand there and >tell me what you see?"
> > "I see trees and cars and our neighbor's houses." he replied.
> > "OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the >United States of America and you are President Bush."
> > Our son giggled and said "OK."
> > > > "Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every >house and yard on this block is a different country" my husband said.
> > > > "OK Dad, I'm pretending."
> > > > "Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and pretend >you see Saddam come out of his house with his wife, he has her by the >hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her >in the face, he throws her on the ground, then he starts to kick her to >death. Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are >screaming and crying, they are watching this but do nothing because they >are kids and they are afraid of their father. You see all of this, >son.... what do you do?"
> > "Dad?"
> > "What do you do son?"
> > "I'd call the police, Dad."
> > > > "OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations. They take your >call. They listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What >do you do then son?"
> > "Dad.......... but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts >to whine.
> > "They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place >or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my >husband says.
> > "But Dad...he killed her!!" my son exclaims.
> > "I know he did...but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I >want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who >you're pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his >children."
> > "Daddy...he kills them?"
> > "Yes son, he does. What do you do?"
> > "Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next >door neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.
> > "Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to >get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop >him," my husband says.
> > "But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"
> > "WHAT DO YOU DO SON?" Our son starts to cry.
> > "OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask >for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller >and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"
> > "What Daddy?"
> > "He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down >her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on >fire and then...he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in >the window and laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?"
> > "Daddy..."
> > "WHAT DO YOU DO?"
> > Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I'd close the >blinds, Daddy."
> > My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks >him..."Why?"
> > "Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help people who needs >them...and they won't help.... You always say that neighbors are >supposed to HELP neighbors, but they won't help either...they won't help >me stop him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself Daddy.....I can't >look out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things >and...and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds.... >so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it >is not happening."
> > I start to cry.
> > My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in the window, >looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husband's questions and >he says..."Son"
> > "Yes, Daddy."
> > "Open the blinds because that man.... he's at your front >door..."WHAT DO YOU DO?"
> > My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He >balls up his tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without >hesitation he says: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM >HURT MOMMY OR MY SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA >FIGHT HIM!!!!!"
> > I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs our son to >his chest and hugs him tight, and says... "It's too late to fight him, >he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should >have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife, and his children and the old >lady across the way. > > > > You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before >it's too late." my husband whispers.
> > THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When >good men stand by and let evil happen son, THAT is the greatest EVIL of >all. > > > > Our President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must >understand that this war is a war of humanity. WE must remove evil men >from power so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are >not afraid to look out our window so that my nine year old son won't >grow up in a world where he feels that if he just "closes" that blinds >the atrocities in the world won't affect him. > >
> > "YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT!, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO >DO IT ALONE!" BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN! BE PROUD OF OUR TROOPS!! >SUPPORT THEM!!! SUPPORT AMERICA SO THAT IN THE FUTURE OUR CHILDREN WILL >NEVER HAVE TO CLOSE THEIR BLINDS..." > >
> > This should be printed in every newspaper and posted in every school >in America. Of course that won't happen so we'll use the internet.
But Daddy, our President Bush wouldn't even report for his Guard Duty, what kind of a man is he Daddy????? Is he suppose to be a good example for me?? Didn't he kill alot of innocent people when ordered the troops to bomb Bagdad?????
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That was a nice story. But I'm afraid one individual cannot free another. Independence and freedom can only be gained for yourself by yourself or you end up serving another master. If the Iraqi people were tired of tirany then they should have stormed the gates. I don't care if they were armed only with boards with a nail in the end. The armies of Saddam would have fell to pieces before shooting on their own families, friends, and neighbors. Granted. Many would have died. But a much truer freedom would have been achieved. The poor and downtrodden population of Iraq outnumbered the military by far. If they wanted, or even deserved freedom, they should have taken it for themselves. To win freedom is much more deserved than to be given or granted freedom. In the end, the Iraqi people would have been much more the proud of the accomplishment. The ******* needed to go, I do not dispute that. But when more Americans are dying for Iraqi freedom, than Iraqi's? I say BULLSH!t!!!!!!!!!
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You think that the VA hospitals got a work out after Nam? We now live in a society where if you are mad at a project in YOUR garage, take YOUR hammer, and smash YOUR project to smitherines, a passing patrol car can stop and arrest you. You can be taken in front of the judge and ordered to seek mandatory anger management counseling at your expense. We now take these passively groomed individuals and drop them into the attrocities of wartime actions, tell them to be warriors, and afterward expect them to fit right back into society nice and peacefully. It don't wash off that easily folks. I hate that my tax dollars are building a country up other than my own. But the price to America hasn't even begun to be tallied up yet. By any means. Not just the physically wounded military personnel, but the mentally scarred number of young men that come back from this war will be staggering. Our tax dollars will be used for this also. All I can say is, for all the hatred the world has for our intervention, we will not be recognized as saints or saviors, but more like an interfering arrogant nation that may turn an eye toward any nation that we feel isn't doing it the "American Way". As I stated in my previous post. I would rather die in battle attempting to secure my own freedom (for I would be free in this endeavor), than live many years knowing I didn't try!!!
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I am glad to see another here that dosen't believe the crap being feed to us.
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quote:Originally posted by Dardadog: That was a nice story. But I'm afraid one individual cannot free another. Independence and freedom can only be gained for yourself by yourself or you end up serving another master. If the Iraqi people were tired of tirany then they should have stormed the gates. I don't care if they were armed only with boards with a nail in the end. The armies of Saddam would have fell to pieces before shooting on their own families, friends, and neighbors. Granted. Many would have died. But a much truer freedom would have been achieved. The poor and downtrodden population of Iraq outnumbered the military by far. If they wanted, or even deserved freedom, they should have taken it for themselves. To win freedom is much more deserved than to be given or granted freedom. In the end, the Iraqi people would have been much more the proud of the accomplishment. The ******* needed to go, I do not dispute that. But when more Americans are dying for Iraqi freedom, than Iraqi's? I say BULLSH!t!!!!!!!!!
You do know that when some of his people did try to uprise against him he slaughtered them. I do agree that you need to earn freedom on your own. And in some ways that is what is happening here. Don't forget (even though they are not the major power here) that Iraq troops are taking some of the heaviest casualties in this war.
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NO, I agree! Don't close the blinds! Open them wider!
North Korea, people dying in the streets, Relief food being sold at markets by government employees, executions for not believing Kim Jong Il is god on earth.
Darfur, atrocities happening everyday, generals establish troops of men in the military who tested positive with AID's to form special squads that attack villages for the sole purpose of raping their women and spreading the desease.
Now why in the world would we think Iraq was so much more needing of "liberation" than these examples?
Supporters hail Bush for standing firm opposed to the "flipping" they say democrat's are infamous for.
Bush runs on anti-abortion. Gets in office and sends out a letter saying that at this time it isn't realistic to believe an anti-abortion bill can win in current modern America. (Sounds like he catered to the conservative vote to me) Wasn't that what the democrat's have been saying all along?
Bush cancels the Kyoto treaty in his first week in office and supports slacker regulations for businesses. A couple years of bad weather and soaring energy prices and all of a sudden he is preaching conservation of energy, Fuel Cell research, and admitting that global warming could be a problem. (Sounds like he catered to the conservative vote to me) Isn't that what democrat's have been saying all along?
Economic's. Bush calls for fiscal responsibility and says his new tax plan (which cuts taxes for the high wage more than lower wages) will inspire growth and help the economy. Now the government has just voted to allow the national debt to go up to 900 Trillion! 30,000 worth of debt for every single taxpayer in America. Does that sould like fiscal responsibility to you?
About the only thing I see Bush standing firm on is the war. Which is controversial enough to provide a distraction to the fact that he has done little to nothing to better America in the last 6 years. I expect nothing else within the next 2 years either. Even his own party is starting to distance themselves from this run away Administration.
If Clinton can nearly get impeached for lying about a physical relationship, how many more half truth's do we really need from the current president about issues that actually impact you and me before it equal's out?
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Why'd you ressurect this thread again anyway? You looking to see if anyone who posted back in '04 is still willing to fight for GWB?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: good guess....
i took a lot of grief during the election....
there's LOTS more where this came from...
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Good grief!!! You didn't put up with any grief!!
Compared to the "GRIEF" you caused for a "Pacific Blue Marlin" the other day..
That poor 500 pounder is still shaking his head and leaping outa the water, the last everybody saw of him! LOL
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I am sick of hearing the conservative loosers talk about 2 things.
(1) I have conservative values ,what are they? I have not heard an answer from any of them that makes sense. There values seem to be run of the mill values that most Americans have.
(2) Budget concerns and waste the party that they champion for that is the conservative Republican. They have not balanced a budget since Richard Nixon.
All and all some how I think a bunch of Highway men that recieved there historical political information out of a saloon some where got control of this country and are the biggest bunch weak flip floppers that the world has ever seen.
Ps. If most of them found a butcher shop that would sell them some guts they could go to Iraq and put there money where there mouth is but most of these twits prefer to wave the flag and send somebody else. IMHO
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Sadly, in this country, incompetence is not an antecedent to impeachment.
The only predilection, in the United States Of America, to impeachment has been proved to be one party rule. One party rule feeds impeachment like horse manure does roses. Without the abuses resulting from pure one party loyalty, impeachment has never been tried or needed in this nation.
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Impeachment might work in the future yet. We are just now feeling the pain of this Presidents policy domestic and overseas. The kool-aide drinkers at this stage can still shurg off the blame to some degree. Soon even that won't work. Then there will be a possibility that it will work. Impeach,Impeach,and Impeach. Posts: 6008 | From: phoenix az | Registered: Mar 2005
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I don't know if most Americans really understand the 2 things that at present might destroy this country.
(1) Having the largest deficit in the history of the world! Someday it has to be addressed if we don't we will all in America go down hard into a third world country unable to go to the world markets and function financially.
(2) And going to a nation that defends freedom to a policy and opinion of ours as to a risk factor and strike first. Never has this nation done this before and we are continuing this policy yet. Maybe American people don't all realize this new shift for what it is but the rest of the world sees it and they don't like it.
Think this b/s kool-aide drinkers where are they going to come up with the manpower to keep it up. Wait until its your son stuck in a third world country trying to hang on to his life and the lives of his friends.
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Myth one kool-aide drinker most used comment to justify strike first If they only would have done this with Nazi Germany there would have been no war. What a laugh that is .
Iraq, Third world country,press gang army,3rd rate equipment, and a hated leader. Iraq was really a tough enemy against the most powerful nation the world has ever seen.Wich was us.
Nazi Germany. First rate country, motivated soldiers, and the best equiped army in the world and airforce. Until Poland there was not much of a war machine that Hitler used he used it more or less to scare other countries into submission most countries he had annexed at this point Austria and Romainia cheered Hitler in the streets. Poland Fought and England tried to come to its rescue with a 350,000 man expeditionary force this did not work The American Army at that time would have fared worst than Englands since it was only equiped to to handle uprisings in So. America and other places that we had interest in. Also domestic protest ask the bonus army of WWI as they asked for there promissed bonus for service and McAurthur answerd with hot led in Washing DC of all places. To say that we could haved saved the day in Eourpe in 1939 is not true. And nobody else could have either and is the wrong comparison to make
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The only modern comparison to Nazi Germany is the US, because, what Nazism is is government controlled by corporations.
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Right you are bdgee most people are not aware of that but facism is in reality the purest form of the corprate state. I will not go into the volumes of and volumes that has been wrote in the structure of Italy and Germany and what they represented and why they had a dream of world conquest and who would benifit from it but it is all there at your finger tips if anybody would like to make a comparison.
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If a person does not think that we are heading to rule from the board room look at your rights going out the window. And then you hear things on the news like there are 63 lobbiest for every member of the senate. Tell me we aren't in the begining of an evolutionary new order coming in America and then to the world.
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Bush JR. could go down in Americas short history as the man that really launch the begining of corporate rule and setting the ground work for it. Most our countries policy is now wrote by corporate America or there think tanks. And then presented Bush,Chenney, or special senate committee
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One more comment England declared war on Germany we did not Germany declared war on us.
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yeah, bond, the kool-aide drinkers have a lot of history screwed up...
yesterday in West Virginia? Bush said this country was FOUNDED on the principle of freedom for men and WOMEN...what's the joke? women didn't get the vote until????? LOL... his history profs must be cringing over and over...
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