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crazycanuck
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hahaha, thats EXACTLY the attitude that fostered the environment that let Osama and his thugs destroy your way of life.

America HAS NOT kept the world together.

America HAS NOT spread freedom anymore than anyone else.

America HAS NOT, repeat ****HAS NOT**** aided the world's poverty striken areas nearly as much as other countries, which is pathetic, considering it is American economic dominance that his kept them poor to begin with.

oh...

"Close our doors and see who is the first country to complain."

Its litteraly not possible anymore, America is not a self-sustaining country, it is very, very dependent on imported goods. Especially food and energy.

If that kind of facist, COMPLETELY misinformed coporate media bitch bull**** you just wrote is representitive of american thinking, its safe to say the suitcase nukes are coming...

- Kevin



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I am Canadian!!!!

Please DO NOT LET KEVIN954 speak FOR ME!!!!

I came to USA and Love USA and see that if we supported their efforts instead of following the passive approach like switzerland we would have less headaches in Canada.

Canada wants to stay passive than do just that!!! Stay outta the other wars instead of joining after then whining we didnt get a Thank you for our efforts!!!!

Either Canada should have spent those tax dollars towards a better armed force or saved it and stayed neutral. Cant have the cake and eat it too.

If you look at the posts you will notice all those links are derogatory towards the government and their policies. You would also notice that the money they have collected from TAXPAYERS would have been better spent on items USED by the TAXPAYER not to line the Members of Parliaments pockets and allowing them to retire witha six figure income on taxpayers money after two terms of service. Where do I sign up for a job like that?? Kinda reminds me of prostitution.......screwing someone for the cash.

MAN AM I THANKFUL EVERYDAY I LEFT CANADA AND NOT COMING BACK.

Thought for the day:

Why doesnt Canada dump the lacking goverment and join USA as another state??

Just an opinion and not meant to be taken as FACT )


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haha, the word "traitor" comes to mine. If you like america so much, I'm glad your happy there, its a big world.

And yes, our government is horrible too. We don't go off blowing the brains out of any brown person country we can see, but our parliment is far too powerful and far too rewarded.

I don't think you can claim to speak for any sizeable portion of Canadians though, neither can I. You just crossed into a country that fits your ideology better, all the power to you. Like the tens of thousands of Americans that became Canadians when they didn't want to die in a completely useless war in Vietnam. Like the thousands that did it a few years ago for Iraq.

My uncle is a wealthy computer programmer who has lived in the states for the last 11 years. He was telling me that since 9\11, America is divided 50\50 between people and regions who would pray to be more like Canada and those who want to go down with the ship with Bush. His nieghbours claim that if another terrorist attack goes down, they are moving to Canada and not looking back. I can't blame them.

- Kevin


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Traitor???

You say run and HIDE in Canada for the terrorism?? What about stand up and fight for your beliefs instead of folding??

I neither support a war nor oppose it but when it comes to your unrealistic views that America goes and starts these wars because of colour of skin (brown skin countries as you put it) or religion or money that I think you should reevaluate your position and view it all. Has American People not tried to free the people? Have they not tried to help rebuild the infastructure? Has the Government encouraged or implied sanctions?? If America was that ruthless why wouldnt we just take it over have martial law and not put any of their people into the voting scenario? Thats just for IRAQ!!!!!!!

Do you need to keep going about history and other countries that USA has helped in its humanitarian freedom views?

Do I think America has a bleeding heart philosophy?? NO

I do think they are acting in best interest of the people and the support during each of those wars showed it in the freedom which people utilized by VOTING.

Canada wants to whine about not being thanked when they contribute to USA but then want to scream LOOK AT US we are neutral and loving country with open arms for anyone who screams asylum needed. Tighten the borders and USA wouldnt be threatened of incompetent over paid ( by taxpayers money) civil servants.

These are only my views and I do not think I represent very many Canadians with this outlook. Even though I am Canadian I will NOT stand back and watch someone complain about a country in which I live. Unfortunately I was born Canadian but my heart beats RED WHITE BLUE.


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Kevin - We are at war. Islam wants to destory all non-belivers. This includes you and your precious Canada. Unless you are already Islam. Not all middle easterns are fanactics. But they are trying to take control. I do not have any problems with different views or reasoning, after all, it is what makes this world good. However, when those views want to destory my country, I make a stand. We have been at war for 17 years. It will continue. As for Canada, it has no direction, soul, or guidance. It does not even know if it wants to be a country. And Kevin, if it was not for the US being across your border, you would have been taken over long ago. If we fall, who will you go to for help, when they come for your country. And they will. As for our past mini wars, Vietnam, Iraqi, etc.. Everytime our Military deploys, it gets better. It is called training. Our smart weapons get smarter. And yes, the best thing that Oshma did for our intelligence was to attack on our soil. Regardless of what the liberal media may tell you, the spooks are getting all the resources they need now. I have a suggestion, why don't you go live in one of these US oppressed countries. Do you actually know what you are talking about? Have you been out there? I have. Go talk to the real people and not listen to the radicals that the networks put on. It is a war, and one that will only grow. Thank god there are people in this country smart enough to know this and try to do something about it. And oh yeah, Bush or Kerry, I am not a Kerry basher. I will support whoever is elected. Hopefully Bush. Bottom line, they must put our sovernity and safety at their forefront. After all, someone must make a stand for all the countries who cannot. It is a big load to carry.

Hug a MARINE today.....


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wow... the incredible cow boy ignorance continues...

"I neither support a war nor oppose it but when it comes to your unrealistic views that America goes and starts these wars because of colour of skin (brown skin countries as you put it) or religion or money that I think you should reevaluate your position and view it all. "

Sounds like yankee doodle over hear disagrees with you...

"Islam wants to destory all non-belivers."

haha, idiots. As I said, enjoy your close minded arroagance, just don't squeel too much as your way of life is destroyed...

- Kevin


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FREE QUEBEC!!!!!!!!!

and tuck...oooohrah.

quote:
Originally posted by kevin954:
wow... the incredible cow boy ignorance continues...

"I neither support a war nor oppose it but when it comes to your unrealistic views that America goes and starts these wars because of colour of skin (brown skin countries as you put it) or religion or money that I think you should reevaluate your position and view it all. "

Sounds like yankee doodle over hear disagrees with you...

"Islam wants to destory all non-belivers."

haha, idiots. As I said, enjoy your close minded arroagance, just don't squeel too much as your way of life is destroyed...

- Kevin



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yeah, quebec's tried to get out a few times, we're hoping the next time they'll make it...

- Kevin


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Yes NOW you are getting it !!!!!!!!

Free Quebec!!!

Most of Canada doesnt agree with them....France dont want them and lookat France.

Look at the tax savings for fellow canadians of eliminating a dual language enforcement only approved by the francophones!!!

Well with this I would not have to say

Parlais vous Anglais MORON!!


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yeah, its been said that if quebec does actually leave Canada, even IF they didn't take their per captia share of the national debt with them (which they would have to legally), their standard of living would fall pretty badly.

they get so many ridiculous tax breaks and BS freebies. they are like the welfare bums of canadian federalism.

I'd love to kick out quebec, give them their debt, and throw all the drunkin welfare cheque go cry me a river indians out with them. We'd save so much money its unbelievable.


- Kevin


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I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE SOMEONE THAT MAKES KERRY LOOK LIKE A SMART MAN, THEN COMES KEVIN. KEVIN, WHY DON'T YOU COME DOWN AND RUN FOR PRESIDENT? YOU HAVE AS MUCH PATRIOTISM FOR THE US AS KERRY DOES, AND YOU THINK YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS KERRY THINKS HE DOES. NOW ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LEARN THE YES/NO APPROACH AND YOU CAN BE HIS RUNNING MATE.
HAVE A GREAT DAY
GOD BLESS AMERICA
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
AND GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH

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hahahahahaha

I'll speak in yankee cow boy talk so maybe you can understand me...

y'all sure am patriotic 'round dem parts, bud giver a fortnoon an bush'll be outta da white hose though wen dem terrarists strike

'an support dem troops, even wen der dying so some rich ole white men can get evan richer

- Kevin


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Reading posts from someone who says he loves America but hates the politics and arrogance of this country makes my blood boil. If you don't like it than shut up and leave us alone. If you think Pres. Bush is a cowboy, you'd better be thankful he has done what he has done--take the fight to the enemy--or your country may have already faced a "9/11 type" event by now. I get tired of hearing people rant about our tyranny on a worldwide basis when they sit back and enjoy the safety we help provide. Don't question our methods if you are a benefactor of its result.
We don't do everything right, but were it not for this country, freedom and safety for many simply would not exist--maybe even your own.
As far as enjoining the international stage regarding military action--screw that. We were under U.N. rule in the first Gulf was and as a result could not take Saddam out then. The U.N. is a bunch of passivists--who say much and do little.
The fight came to us on 9/11--unfortunately as a result of inaction from Clinton for 8 years. Unfortunately, Bush--the cowboy--now has to right the wrongs of a previous administration who was far more arrogant and interested in skirt hunting than terrorist fighting.
I am a Republican and proud of it.
I am an American and proud of it.
I also sleep better at night knowing I have a president who's words are followed by action, and a military who sacrifices more than I know to keep me and my 4 little ones safe.
God bless this country and those who protect it.

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I am an American and proud of it.

Agreed!


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lets clear up a few things...

"Reading posts from someone who says he loves America but hates the politics and arrogance of this country makes my blood boil. If you don't like it than shut up and leave us alone."

- sorry, we STILL HAVE freedom of speech in Canada (instead of just in "free speech zones" like yours)


"If you think Pres. Bush is a cowboy, you'd better be thankful he has done what he has done--take the fight to the enemy--or your country may have already faced a "9/11 type" event by now."

- Canada will never be attacked like that because we don't rape and pillage holy lands of their natural resources while supporting dictators that are more than happy to allow it. All the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, your suppposed ally, a "monarcy" (i.e. dictatorship) that your country has supported for years (like Saddam actually).

"I get tired of hearing people rant about our tyranny on a worldwide basis when they sit back and enjoy the safety we help provide. Don't question our methods if you are a benefactor of its result."

- again, you provide no safety to us, europe, china, russia. You do provide safety to south korea, iraq, afganihistan, amongst others, and I thank you for that. But providing safety for us? Don't be a so presumptive\ignorant.

"We don't do everything right, but were it not for this country, freedom and safety for many simply would not exist--maybe even your own. "

- no, Canada would be free with or without you, like it or not, despite what your corporate media progpoganda machine might shove down your throat about America "spreading freedom to the world"

"As far as enjoining the international stage regarding military action--screw that. We were under U.N. rule in the first Gulf was and as a result could not take Saddam out then. The U.N. is a bunch of passivists--who say much and do little.
The fight came to us on 9/11--unfortunately as a result of inaction from Clinton for 8 years. Unfortunately, Bush--the cowboy--now has to right the wrongs of a previous administration who was far more arrogant and interested in skirt hunting than terrorist fighting."

- well said

"I am a Republican and proud of it."

- good for you


"I am an American and proud of it."

- awesome, just don't be a mindless drone to your countries self-righteous propoganda


"I also sleep better at night knowing I have a president who's words are followed by action, and a military who sacrifices more than I know to keep me and my 4 little ones safe."

- what if those words are lies? and those actions spread hatered?

"God bless this country and those who protect it."

- agreed. But are they really protecting your country with a right wing cow boy in command?

[This message has been edited by kevin954 (edited August 24, 2004).]


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Were this or any war we've been engaged in simply about oil or natural resourses, why have we not simply taken over the oil fields of the Middle east and claimed them as our own--so brazen are we. God knows we have the military and the motive to do so.

THe fact is our freedom and the fight to preserve it is costly and not popular with many--I don't care. Its not their price and its not their freedom. Many Islams detest our culture and how it denounces their values and constricts the spread and influence of Islam. I don't care for their culture, but I don't bomb their cities and kill their innocent civilians.

You can argue that we do that with this or any war. War is not pretty but is sometimes necessary. I do have confidence that "collateral damage" is taken into consideration when battle strategies are devised--something we consider more so than most others. I don't recall Saddam showing much compassion for his own.

As far as lies are concerned as cause for our actions? Sept. 11 was real, and what we had done prior to that was minimal. But consider what has happened under previous administrations:
The Shaw of Iran was deposed under Carter--a passivist. We showed no support for an ally.
Bush Sr. ousted Saddam from Kuwait but couldn't finish the job because of the U.N.
Clinton did nothing as a result of the first Trade Center bombing in 1993.
The attack against marines in Yemen in 92'
The Khobar Towers incident in 1996.
The American embossy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
And the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in 2000.

So the Cowboy has to do something about it. I have no doubt that had Bush not been president, more 9/11's would have happened on our own soil--perhaps many times over. Whether people believe our actions were perpetuated on lies is immaterial as far as I'm concerned. Since Canada is not threatened by terror--as you say--nor her freedom at risk, I find it abbhorant that you can play armchair quarterback and question our motives when, for us, the risks are real. I will always support action because I have seen what inactivity has bred.

America is not liked by many and there are certain things I wish were different. But when I wake every morning, I thank God for the fact that I was born into this country, possess the freedoms for which much blood was shed, and know that dispite the attitudes of others, I live in what I consider to be the greatest country on this planet.


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Its definetly true that America doesn't *litteraly* take over the natural resources of other countries. But after "liberating" these countries, they let American coporations take complete control of the countries rebuilding and extraction of natural resources. So they will let Iraq keep their oil, well, whatevers left after haliburton and the rest of coprorate america has taken their share of the profit.

9/11 happened not because muslims hate you for your "freedom".

9/11 happened becuase America has been sticking their nose (read: terrorizing\humiliating\degrading) where it doesn't belong for too damn long, and so some crazy **** finally had the nerve to bitch slap you right back.

- Kevin


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Excuse me, but terrorists DO hate us because of our culture--ours allows for the independence of all citizens within its borders, unlike the Islamic culture which denegrates women, and fails to educate its own. While we have been there, the standard of living in Iraq has been vastly improved (something not reported fairly by our media). Education--yes, for women too--is widely embraced; hospitals and health care are much improved.

How can anyone say that our presence there is strictly for oil when we have liberated an entire population--rescueing them from a tyrannical dictator, allowed them to exercise their own democracy, while we have not raped and pillaged their resources. Oh contrare, we have repaired their pipelines and extinguished their raging oil fires so they can financially fend for themselves.

As far as sticking our heads where it doesn't belong, have you discussed this with the Iraqi people. I think they might have a different opinion. We just happen to be allies with the Isrealis--despised by the Muslums. Any chance THAT might happen to be a reason for their hating us?


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Dear God, don't even bring up Isreal. We (the west) kicked the palestinians off THEIR land and gave it to the Isrealis. Thats DEFINETLY a reason they hate you.

No, terrorists don't hate you because of your culture. Thats just Bush being an ass.

"they hate america because of our freedom"
- Bush

gimmie a ****ing break. They hate you because you've abused them for so long.

- Kevin


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Kev,

Abused them for so long?
Since 1948--Israel's independance. The Muslums have been at it tooth and nail. Iran, Iraq--eight years. The entire Middle east is Muslum and all they do is fight. Heck even Yugoslavia has 3 factions that can't get along.

Don't blame us for this debacle when Russia played an equal role. I don't quite see the Russians being in the same "hatred" class as us.

Also you have other Muslum nations that turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the conflicts around them and paid no heed toward assisting those that needed it.


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If America and England hadn't craved up the middle east into colonized "states" without regard for the local nationalities, I doubt the muslims would be going at it the way they are.

- Kevin


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the terrorists definitely would not have what they have right now , if we didn't buy their oil....

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited August 24, 2004).]


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Too true! To bad we can't drill for oil in our own country (ANWR or the gulf) without ticking some off. You'd have thought we would have learned from the oil embargo in the 70's--guess not.
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I don't understand why the can't just pump oil out at a faster rate until hydrogen power becomes feasible.

- Kevin


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Now thats a good idea Kevin......


If only we went to HOT AIR for power I want to be the first to invest on the patent for everything that you spew out. You would be a rich man and a commodity that we would never run shortage of!!!!

Go mouthpieces GO!!!!


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good argument, I really like the way you adressed my statement and countered it with well spoken logic. spoken like a true yankee doodle.

- Kevin


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quote:
Originally posted by kevin954:
I don't understand why the can't just pump oil out at a faster rate until hydrogen power becomes feasible.

- Kevin


With the price of oil at all-time highs, why aren't stripper wells being used? Much more feasible and profitable to resurrect these than in years past.

Unfortunately I don't think our country will take alternative fuels seriously until supply dries up regardless of how much we have to pay in the mean time. How long have hybrid cars, solar panels, even magnetic fly wheels for cars been explored but have never taken off.

California has not built any new refineries, and continues to squelch designs to build new power plants--for environmental reasons, but yet they suffer the most from rolling blackouts and pay the most for imported power.

Sad state of affairs--too much politics involved in this issue. Which means no solution any time soon.


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you've got a brain after all, and a good one i might say

- Kevin


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I see on the news this am that another French hostage is taken, with the usual threat of killing him if France does not overturn their new law of not allowing Muslims to wear their headwrap in public. Hasn't France already pulled most of their people out from the last kidnapping????
I guess this is what happens when you try to pacify people who have no respect for ANY humanity including their own.
I've learned from watching all of this, that you can't reason with unreasonable factions.


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After reading all the posts here, the Native American side of me says, "I think you should all shut up and get the hell out", but the Caucasion side of me says, "Get 'er done"....Gee, I'm starting to feel like a mini wheat....ROFLMAO

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quote:
Originally posted by pennyearned:
Reading posts from someone who says he loves America but hates the politics and arrogance of this country makes my blood boil. If you don't like it than shut up and leave us alone. If you think Pres. Bush is a cowboy, you'd better be thankful he has done what he has done--take the fight to the enemy--or your country may have already faced a "9/11 type" event by now. I get tired of hearing people rant about our tyranny on a worldwide basis when they sit back and enjoy the safety we help provide. Don't question our methods if you are a benefactor of its result.
We don't do everything right, but were it not for this country, freedom and safety for many simply would not exist--maybe even your own.
As far as enjoining the international stage regarding military action--screw that. We were under U.N. rule in the first Gulf was and as a result could not take Saddam out then. The U.N. is a bunch of passivists--who say much and do little.
The fight came to us on 9/11--unfortunately as a result of inaction from Clinton for 8 years. Unfortunately, Bush--the cowboy--now has to right the wrongs of a previous administration who was far more arrogant and interested in skirt hunting than terrorist fighting.
I am a Republican and proud of it.
I am an American and proud of it.
I also sleep better at night knowing I have a president who's words are followed by action, and a military who sacrifices more than I know to keep me and my 4 little ones safe.
God bless this country and those who protect it.

very well put. could not agree more. Of course Kev is going to have some retarded remark for you, but I agree. http://www.greenberet.net/kerry/


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"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing."
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Attacking a country who has never once even threatened your country IS evil. That is why the world is not standing by and doing nothing, that is why you are hated.

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Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
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If BUSH wins the next election they will continue to pass more laws so the government can "keep us safe". People willing to give up their rights for safety are ignorant! People died for these rights and we should NEVER give any of them up!!!!!

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I Love My Country......I Hate The Prick In Charge.
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