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I dont think it will happen. Obama wont let it happen. Oil prices would go through the roof...worse than we have ever seen.
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Moo Moo are you actually saying a current US president will make the right decision concerning global affairs?
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Moo Moo are you actually saying a current US president will make the right decision concerning global affairs?
Tough to say, he does not have the best interests of Israel that is obvious. What happens when Iran strikes? Are we going to continue to "reach out with an olive branch"
I dont think we should attack but we need to do something soon. These people are radicals, they are not rational....so trying to be rational with radicals wont get us anywhere.
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Russia has been building the Bushehr plant since the mid-1990s but the project was marred by delays, and the issue is hugely sensitive amid Tehran's standoff with the West and Israel over its nuclear ambitions.
that's a long time to strike the plant... why didn't Dubya do it? OH that's right, he lost all credibiltiy with the rest of the world sometime in '04, and it took another year to finally lose it with the majority of Americans and then it took another few years for his base to realise he is such a Socialist that he likes bailouts... sheesh what a load of crap.
i think Obama has Israels back when it counts. i don't think there's anything obvious about Obama not having their back when it counts.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Moo Moo are you actually saying a current US president will make the right decision concerning global affairs?
Tough to say, he does not have the best interests of Israel that is obvious. What happens when Iran strikes? Are we going to continue to "reach out with an olive branch"
I dont think we should attack but we need to do something soon. These people are radicals, they are not rational....so trying to be rational with radicals wont get us anywhere.
When Iran strikes? Tell me, what country is more likely to attack another based on history? Iran or US? What country has been at war pretty much non stop for the last hundred or so years? What country has military bases on every continent?
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i dunno relentless, The accuracy or completeness of the information is not warranted and is only as reliable as the sources from which it was obtained. It should be understood there is no guarantee that past performance will be indicative of future results. Attackers are cautioned that they may lose all or a portion of their asses in this or any other country shuld they decide to strike.
in nay case? the time to strike was awhile back...
i think it shuld have been done already,
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as a matter of fact? i think it should have been done in 1981 when Unca Ronnie the Magnificent was God... or er i mean President yeah he was President right? and Govt was small, yeah,and we still had liberty that's it...
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Why? I'm just not sure what they've done? Is there a list?.. Do we have a list of the things they've done that would warrant us bombing the **** out of them? I guess I didn't get the list.. Tell me there's a list.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Moo Moo are you actually saying a current US president will make the right decision concerning global affairs?
Tough to say, he does not have the best interests of Israel that is obvious. What happens when Iran strikes? Are we going to continue to "reach out with an olive branch"
I dont think we should attack but we need to do something soon. These people are radicals, they are not rational....so trying to be rational with radicals wont get us anywhere.
When Iran strikes? Tell me, what country is more likely to attack another based on history? Iran or US? What country has been at war pretty much non stop for the last hundred or so years? What country has military bases on every continent?
Well considering that the region of Iran/Persia has a few thousand years on the U.S. then history shouldn't be your argument.
You are so swift to criticize this country, as if we extend pacifism the world would embrace us. Relentless, this country is not like any other. They stone people to death in Iran, there are "rehabilitation" camps in China, labor/death camps in North Korea, genocide in Africa, Islamic insurgents in the southern Philippines, peaceful Tibetans being killed, narcos in Columbia, Islamic rebels in Thailand, the list goes on and on.
The most war devastated continent is Africa hands down. Barbarism on a scale you probably havent even read on.
Like I said, I dont think attacking Iran right now is a good idea. We need to do something though. They have openly threatened to annihilate Israel and they are getting the tools to do it. You need to read up on the return of the 12th Imam and just how radical this government is. I would strongly support some sort of insurgency from within. Im sure Mossad is on that right right now anyway, but we are running out of time.
What is so ignorant by those who are defending the Iranian government is that they do not take into consideration the very real threat of Iran pulling it off. What is worse is I could say something like "I dont think attacking Iran is a good idea" and you go and post a response insinuating that I posted I want to go to war with Iran....just so you can make your argument. Its so weak and diminished on your end, I wonder if you can ever really step it up and be logical instead of slanderous.
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I simply asked you a simple question MooMoo.. I made this one real easy in the hopes that you'd answer it instead of spending hours at a time typing what amounts to side stepping babble.
Lol.. Everything from China to Africa but not once did you even meander towards answering my question..
You act as though I am directly threatening you when I am simple asking you to support your assertion with even the slightest shred of logic or understanding.
I'm not threatening you in any way.. Challenging?.. Perhaps.. But in a real happy warm loving way... Breathe.
Yes their current leader has suggested they are waiting for the 12th Imam.. Yes they appear to be gathering whatever weaponry they can. It sure does look like they are preparing for a fight.
Why would that be? Is it even remotely possible that they feel threatened? Would it be the two fleets of American warships floating just a hair off their shore? Would it be the four Israeli subs lingering in the same area for the first time? Could it be the American and Israeli forces massing on their northern border? Surely they can't feel threatened at all by American wars in the two countries that sit on either side?
I'm just saying that maybe.. just maybe we can step back and check for another side to the story..
We must at all times assume our government is lying to us.. The founders of this nation would implore us to do so by their teachings...
We must look around us to search for our own answers. There has never been a time like now for us to do so.
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So I really need to know...what would YOU do about Iran? Hmmm?
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What question would that be? You always go on about me answering some question you have instead of answering mine, but you never clearly state the question most of the time. It takes you a whole paragraph to ask me one thing.
What is the question....in one sentence please.
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That is some astoundingly rock steady focus you have there MooMoo.
The question was in regards to your comment about when Iran attacks. I asked, humbly, Based on historical data who is more likely to attack another nation? Iran or the US?
You have done everything but pull your dress over your head in a comical endeavor to avoid any question Bill O'Riely hasn't penned onto a flash card for you.
I even made this one a blindingly easy one to answer.. All you need is a coin with two distinctively different sides and a willing and able flick ready thumb.
I know everyone is betting against you.. But I believe in you MooMoo... You can do this. By the power of Greyskull.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: That is some astoundingly rock steady focus you have there MooMoo.
The question was in regards to your comment about when Iran attacks. I asked, humbly, Based on historical data who is more likely to attack another nation? Iran or the US?
You have done everything but pull your dress over your head in a comical endeavor to avoid any question Bill O'Riely hasn't penned onto a flash card for you.
I even made this one a blindingly easy one to answer.. All you need is a coin with two distinctively different sides and a willing and able flick ready thumb.
I know everyone is betting against you.. But I believe in you MooMoo... You can do this. By the power of Greyskull.
Answer: US
again you take a whole paragraph to ask one question. You speak of ME side stepping and side showing...my goodness.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: give him an answer cash, i want to know how he would deal with Iran...
Again I don't know what they've done? I've been out most of the day so maybe I missed the list?
I can't imagine anything would need to be done until there is proof they have done anything wrong on a global scale.
Contained in this list should not be the fact they are seeking weapons we and many other countries already have.. That just wouldn't be even remotely logical to include something like that.
The list should not include their adoration of pointless internal laws with seemingly unfair punishments.. It would be quite the feat for us to persecute a country for having laws and imprisoning or killing people for offences no more wacky than our own.
On the contrary, the list should contain their most recent offences against other countries. Now before you get started we will need to define the word "recent".. Recent is to mean anything within the last five years.. It would be just cheap of us to try and punish them for something long forgotten... That just wouldn't do.
I will be waiting eagerly for that damning list. Until that time my answer will be that we have no ability nor need to take any action against Iran.
On a side note:
MooMoo, I am just so proud of you I don't have the words to appropriately praise you on this first step you've taken towards your teens.. Kudos, job.. done.
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Relentless, your argument would make a great case for a prisoner convicted of murder 20 years ago, sentenced to life, up for parole, and we say "well he hasnt done anything lately so why are we trying to restrain him from society?"
They would love you on parole boards.
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i think it's a shame that the Govt of Iran is so screwed up.
I think it's also a given that the Iranian Govt would attack Israel if they thought they could do it successfully and without reprisals...
I also think it's in the worlds best interest that we not have more nuclear warheads lying around...
to that end? there's nobody on the planet that really beleives they aren't trying to build a nuke weapon program and not get caught till it's done...
If Israel takes their program out? I think we'll back Israel in deeds, if not words... In other owords? We may make some statements saying what a shame it is etc, but we will not do anything to stop Israel from ending the Iranian nuke program......
i'm wondering why it has not already been done....
price of oil? terror cells already in place around the world? yes and yes...
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MooMoo, let the grown ups talk for a minute.
Glass,
None of what you said equals a military strike being legitimate. Seeking nukes is really something we can't very well wage a war over.. now can we. Having a wacky government would place us at a similar moral disadvantage... Considering all the considerables.
I'm all for actually talking about this in real terms?.. It's about the oil? No? If not then what is it about?
They have done nothing.. Nothing at all wrong.. They have not attacked us or anyone. The only threats actually issued by them were of a clearly defensive nature.. Can't very well bomb the **** out of them for that..
What's left?
Oil? It has to be the oil.
Now what kind of country would we be if we went waltzing all over the globe, killing millions in the name of conquest?
Worse yet, what kind of people would blindly endorse such actions?
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so, you don't see nukular perlifferashun as a threat to your kids?
there is actually quite a bit of evidence that they participate in terrorism against Israel and elsewhere around the world...
they openly say that ISRAEL SHOULD BE DESTROYED. That alone IMO is enough to justify keepng them out of the nukular game,and Israel is perfectly within it's rights as a Sovereign nation to accept those words as a statement of intent of war, and to take action accordingly. Couching his words in Religious terms does not make Amdinejad less accountable for his words.
i am more concerned about terrorists getting nukes thru Iran than i ever was at the hieght of the "scare campaign" by The Neo-Cons over Sadam.... Sadam was secular, he hated terrorists because they represented a threat to his stable Dictatorial power. The current Iranian Govt on the other hand was born of Terrorism and does practice terrorism against Israel now.
have you ever read any of the reports on why we have such harsh sanctions against them already?
i don't beleive i have suggested that we have screwed up by not bombing them already, i have said i don't know why we haven't....
i have no doubt that they intend to become a nukular weapon power, and i also expect they are the country most likely to supply nukes to terrorist with intent...
Seeking nukes is really something we can't very well wage a war over.. now can we.
actaully this is where we disagree, i do think we can wage war over it and i think we should under most circumstances. In the end? survival really is about making sure you "stay on top"
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Proliferation?.. Not really my meaning. I don't see us as morally capable of deciding another country can or can not have weapons we already have.. Weapons their more aggressive neighbors already have. I can't see how we can decide that this one country who has attacked no one can not have these weapons. And that's just deciding.. There is even less moral high ground for us to wage war.. killing who knows how many of their citizens and our soldiers for what? The only threat here is us.. We are the ones who are attacking nations.. We are being threatened by no one. If I see three guys standing together and I smack the **** out of the two outside ones, I can't very well blame the guy in the middle for clenching his fists now can I? And if I did then it would mean that I was either a truly evil person or a raging moron.
I'm not at all meaning to say that we need a nuke on every corner..
The scare campaign against Iraq was conducted by the same people now wanting war with Iran... What makes you believe them now when you did not before?
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I don't see us as morally capable of deciding another country can or can not have weapons we already have.
this is exactly why i hate Bush so much.
tell me truthfully, would you even be asking me this if Bush hadn't sold US a line of crap to go take out Sadam? That was his personal venture adn we all know it.
I can't see how we can decide that this one country who has attacked no one
actaully they attacked US soil when they took the hostages, and these are still the same people in charge over there.
We are being threatened by no one.
as in you nad your family? or teh US? Or we as in the US and Israel?
what is a threat? i actually have listened to and read Ahmadinejads words and i am not imagining the threats i heard.
The scare campaign against Iraq was conducted by the same people now wanting war with Iran... What makes you believe them now when you did not before?
uh, the words of Amadinejad himself...
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October, 2005: "Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine... I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world. But we must be aware of tricks."
as far as i'm concerned? this guy asked to be wiped off the map himself and we should oblige him.
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July, 2006: "Nations in the region will be more furious every day. It won't take long before the wrath of the people turns into a terrible explosion that will wipe the Zionist entity off the map...The basic problem in the Islamic world is the existence of the Zionist regime, and the Islamic world and the region must mobilize to remove this problem. It is a usurper that our enemies made and imposed on the Muslim world, a regime that prevented the progress of the region's nations, a regime that all Muslims must join hands in isolating worldwide."
Iranian President Ahmadinejad
this guy is begging for it... and there's mor relentless, lots more...
now some peopl might say these are "just" words and words can't hurt...
but nukes? they hurt.
look what he's "prophesying":
It won't take long before the wrath of the people turns into a terrible explosion that will wipe the Zionist entity off the map..
i don't NEED anything else to say take his toys and break 'em, do as little damage as possible, avoid collateral damage as much as is humanly possible...
if somebody was threatening me personally like this? i'd not wait either...
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"Our position on the Middle East is clear. We want the root of tensions to be removed. During these sixty years what was the root of massacres, crimes and conflicts?...The solution is clear and nothing has changed."
October, 2006: "This regime (Israel) will be gone, definitely..."You (the Western powers) should know that any government that stands by the Zionist regime from now on will not see any result but the hatred of the people...The wrath of the region's people is boiling... You should not complain that we did not give a warning. We are saying this explicitly now..."
warning? what part of this is not clear to you relentless?
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June, 2007: ''God willing, in the near future we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime..."
January, 2008: "I advise you to abandon the filthy Zionist entity which has reached the end of the line... It has lost its reason to be and will sooner or later fall. The ones who still support the criminal Zionists should know that the occupiers' days are numbered."
i can fill pages with this crap... he's telling US he intends to nuke them- he even says that he thinks nukes are a gift from Allah....
don't tell me i'm being duped by the conspiracists relentless, this guy is speaking plain as day...
i would no tsit around and take this crap off anybody..
the only question in my mind is why Israel is still waiting? something else is at play and htis ain't about false flags....
We believe that atomic energy is a blessing given by God,”
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad quote
“Iran is ready to transfer nuclear know-how to the Islamic countries due to their need.”
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad quote
it's actually textbook suicide by cop behaviour with a martyrdom chaser
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the only good reason not to act pre-mptively is that Ahmadinejad is just one man. His govt does not SEEM to represent the people, and he may, i repeat MAY, not even represent the real rulers of Iran...
that does not change the fact that the rulers of Iran (the Clerics) are also behind building Iran into a nuclear power... we don't seem to have evidence of weapons, however we KNOW that they are building the full capability to produce them. We also know that they are begging US to take the facilities out.
taking them out would make fighting the rest of the war on terror more difficult.
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So we go to war over words? I could just as easily post as much if not more threats issued by Israel.. They have been quite vociferous in this argument.
Words is all it takes to cause a war.. another friggen war?
I was hoping the list contained actual acts of war... Again, within the five year limit. We can't go to war with them now for hostages they took more than thirty friggen years ago.. It is not logical.
Clearly the reason for this war is oil. The intent is to do the same thing we did in Iraq. We will bomb the **** out of them and then engage in a quagmire so as to keep the vast oil reserves right where they are. This will result in explosive profits for the western friendly oil companies. It will kill what's left of the economy.. but oh well, they're about to hit the reset button on that anyways.
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Glass, the war on terror is a myth.. Just like the war on climate change. One must always remember that Bin Laden is left handed... Left handed.
What we are seeing now has been on a chalk board for a very long time.
What is more logical? 19 cave dwelling nutjobs hate our freedoms? A government obviously bent on supreme control hates our freedoms?
The reason given for 9/11 was that "They" hate our freedoms.
I humbly suggest that one merely needs to re-aim the word "They" to find the culprit.
Hell even the FBI hasn't charged Bin Laden with masterminding 9/11... No evidence they said.
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Glass, the war on terror is a myth.. Just like the war on climate change. One must always remember that Bin Laden is left handed... Left handed.
i am willing to consider the possibility that the Neo-cons have rigged the game.
I've looked and looked and looked again. I can't find the key to that puzzle. I see plenty of hints and clues, but no "smoking gun"
Regardless of who's done it, we are in war. Could it have been to make the price of oil 80$ instead of 15$? sure... that's most likely. Too many wierd things happened with oil in the last decade.
but Amadinejad is sittting on plenty of that 80$ oil and he's at best imbalanced. It would be a shame for good people to get collected in his madness... but madness cannot be tolerated when it has nuke capability. simple enough for me. This sin't even about economic principles like we disgreed withe ht Russkies over, this is Religious Fanaticism mixed in with racial hatred.
Life is hard, and most Americans are able to avoid that whole concept for most of their lives...
as to climate? again i know different from your claim. i read the paper with the tree ring hockey stick when it came out... and i saw that they used tree rings and chuckled... didn't change my understanding of what's going on. We have to change as soon as possible and every day we do not spend money to develop the next sytem(s) to replace carbon based energy is one more day lost. That research and development is expensive, and waiting around for it to be profitable is not a solution. The cost of not doing it is much higher than any cost of doing it.
big oil doesn't want competition.
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Relentless, your argument would make a great case for a prisoner convicted of murder 20 years ago, sentenced to life, up for parole, and we say "well he hasnt done anything lately so why are we trying to restrain him from society?"
Cash do not get into an area that you know nothing about. There are no books that can explain what you are talking about. After a while you will know in your guts who will make and who won't. And that is how someone like me made it to where I am it was on merit and results not a formal education.
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