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Originally posted by glassman:
the "anti-immigration" sentiment would not be as bad as it is if we didn't have 11 million people coming here illegally.

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there's no excuse for this kind of behaviour, but there are ways to deal with it. and unless you address the actual issues instead of making excuses for both side of the problem? you won't fix anything.

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Originally posted by Lockman:
A bunch of a-holes attack and kill this poor guy and they should be punished as per our laws.

This however should not make the enforcement of illegal immigration weaker. Controlled and lawful immigration will make our country strong, illegal uncontrolled immigration will destroy us.

Recently a local illegal immigrant killed a local citizen, should I now call all illegal immigrants racist? The person killed was a woman, should I now call all illegal immigrants sexual preditors.

The fact that the guy killed in long island was hispanic does not make a society racist.

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i saw the perpwalk on TV for this.

one of the assailants was black, and one of them was hispanic:

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Originally posted by Lockman:
A bunch of a-holes attack and kill this poor guy and they should be punished as per our laws.

This however should not make the enforcement of illegal immigration weaker. Controlled and lawful immigration will make our country strong, illegal uncontrolled immigration will destroy us.

Recently a local illegal immigrant killed a local citizen, should I now call all illegal immigrants racist? The person killed was a woman, should I now call all illegal immigrants sexual preditors.

The fact that the guy killed in long island was hispanic does not make a society racist.

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I guess you didn't read the part where i said he was a "LEGAL" immigrant and not illegal... he did everything correct in terms of immigration and still this is what happened to him... because of the stereotype that all hispanics are illegal immigrants... not that it matters because illegal or legal... such things should not happen to a human being regardless...

This has nothing to do with enforcement of illegal immigration and all to do with racism and stereotyping in this country... that kid had alot of hate in him and it most likely started in his home from his parents... it doesn't matter if it was a immigrant or not... could of been because the guy was black, asian, gay, woman etc. That is what you don't get Lock...

And i posted this not because it's a isolated incident but because it is very frequent here in Long Island, especially in Suffolk County where this crime occurred...

The difference between this story and the ones you have said about an illegal immigrant robbing or sexually assaulting a local in your area is that yours most likely is a isolated incident in which it was opportunistic situation... wouldn't have mattered the race of attacker and victim nor their citizenship status... the incident in Long Island was clearly racial and anti-immigrant and sorry for calling you this but your being ignorant because you do not live here and do not know the situations here... the incident in Long Island isn't a isolated one but a concentrated one... these anti immigrant/hispanic incidents have been happening alot in that area of Suffolk County since I would say the year 2000 or so...

I could search for other stories to show you... one other incident that comes to mind is when two other idiots lured two day laborers with a promise of construction jobs... they took them to a "worksite" and when they got there tried to kill them... same area of Long Island more or less... that is just two stories... there are others....

The fact that these incidents keep happening in Long Island and especially that area does make that society of Long Island racist...

Ignorance is bliss as they say...

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Instead of moving forward mach just wants to move backward and play the same ol cards that were played a while ago. Only one race is capable of racism to these people.

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comeon Mach, the title of this thread says you hate too. hate is the problem.

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it's not like nobody (here) cares about individual people. the issue is that when you have large groups of people doing things? the stereotypes become the norm and not the exception...

the immigrants have done a few things to make this worse too:



this march was in Texas. wrong flag to be waving in America huh?

and it wasn't just a couple people:

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comeon Mach, the title of this thread says you hate too. hate is the problem.

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Yes Glass I "hate" racism... there is nothing to love about it for me to use the word "love" or another word... no matter what polite word I use as a substitute would still have the same meaning..

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it's not like nobody (here) cares about individual people. the issue is that when you have large groups of people doing things? the stereotypes become the norm and not the exception...

the immigrants have done a few things to make this worse too:



this march was in Texas. wrong flag to be waving in America huh?

and it wasn't just a couple people:

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Oh, you mean like the flag for Ireland is waved in St. Patrick Day parades across the country especially in the Northeast every year on March 17th?

Or how about other parades celebrating pride in ones heritage like Columbus day parade for italians and half a dozen or more parades I can list if you wish?... Notice the Mexicans get singled out for doing the same thing that is done by others and aren't even mentioned...

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Hey Mach, I don't live on Long Island, but what your saying is there's racisism on long Island, there's a situation there where you percive the community is anti-hispanic, maybe it is.

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Your post however insinuated that the United States population is anti-Hispanic, that's not true. The United States bends over backwards to accomidate hispanics, what hispanic country can I go to and take my drivers test in English or for that matter any form from government document.
Having illegal Hispanic immigrants flooding our country is cause for part of the prejidice you feel. I don't think anyone should be beaten or hurt in anyway, but I'm sure their are those in the hispanic community that have prejedice towards other groups as well.

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1. Accomodate Hispanics? The Dems do, yes but the GOP certainly doesn't make them welcomed or accomodate them:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11222008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/answering_the_go ps_hispanic_dilemma_140162.htm

2. What Gov't let's you take a driver's test in english or application for Gov't documents in english? You don't travel much to Latin American country's i take it? English speaking alien residents in Costa Rica (for example) are accomodated in both things... and do not complain that Yankee's do not bother to learn spanish...

3. Prejudice in the Hispanic community toward other communities?. Gee, I wonder why.

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Well, those Irish and Italians are not illegally entering the United States to have babies on US soil for free health care now are they? You do not hear "press 1 for irish, press 2 for english" do you? The Irish have a once a year festival, this is just in your face what are you going to do now type of mess. For crying out loud there are places in Texas that are now accepting PESOS as currency...PESOS!

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ahh ok.. so as long as you are a legal non discriminated in the present time Immigrant, it is ok to wave the flag of another country. No matter if 1 time a year or several times a year... how could i been stupid, it is so clear now.

I must be so stupid to think there is illegal immigrants from Ireland and other countries who take the same advantages as hispanic immigrants but are never discriminated against... you are right.. "All" illegal immigrants in this country are "Only" hispanic ... no white europeans, canadians, asians or from other Non Hispanic countrys... me so stupid...

Damn I am so stupid to think that only in our country other currencies are used instead and that our dollar is not used in other countries as a form of currency itself in Latin America, Asia (thailand etc.), Middle East etc:

"Dollarization and fixed exchange rates

Other nations besides the United States use the U.S. dollar as their official currency, a process known as official dollarization. For instance, Panama has been using the dollar alongside the Panamanian balboa as the legal tender since 1904 at a conversion rate of 1:1. Ecuador (2000), El Salvador (2001), and East Timor (2000) all adopted the currency independently. The former members of the U.S.-administered Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, which included Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands, chose not to issue their own currency after becoming independent, having all used the U.S. dollar since 1944. Two British dependencies also use the U.S. dollar: the British Virgin Islands (1959) and Turks and Caicos Islands (1973)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar#International_use

How could i be so stupid about such things and not see that the Cowman has thought this through and is all knowning...

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"The Mexican demonstrations where the Mexican Flag was raised were designed to encourage unlawful immigration and the downfall of the United States Government."

Interesting.

Exactly how did you come by that information?

Was someone you personally know involved in that treachery and its planning, then passed the knowledge of it to you secretly?

You must hang out with some most influential people who must be plotting many other conspiracies.

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I think they were celebrating. People do that in crowds, kind of like dogs in packs act differently from when they are curled up in front of the fireplace at home, be it at the World Series or the Million Man March (ticked me off that it dis-included women) or a Fourth of July parade.

(By the way, as one who had forebears that were forced to draw a black bean, I detest Cinco de Mayo celebrations north of the Rio Grande. But, as a staunch defender of the Constitution, I insist, they have the right to do that.)

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I think they were celebrating. People do that in crowds, kind of like dogs in packs act differently from when they are curled up in front of the fireplace at home, be it at the World Series or the Million Man March (ticked me off that it dis-included women) or a Fourth of July parade.

(By the way, as one who had forebears that were forced to draw a black bean, I detest Cinco de Mayo celebrations north of the Rio Grande. But, as a staunch defender of the Constitution, I insist, they have the right to do that.)

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Well for your interests lets hope they aren't celebrating Mextex, when they lower the Texas state flag and put up the Mexican one. You live on the first border to be changed, hope you enjoy the benefits a Mexican Texas offers.

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I think they were celebrating. People do that in crowds, kind of like dogs in packs act differently from when they are curled up in front of the fireplace at home, be it at the World Series or the Million Man March (ticked me off that it dis-included women) or a Fourth of July parade.

(By the way, as one who had forebears that were forced to draw a black bean, I detest Cinco de Mayo celebrations north of the Rio Grande. But, as a staunch defender of the Constitution, I insist, they have the right to do that.)

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Well for your interests lets hope they aren't celebrating Mextex, when they lower the Texas state flag and put up the Mexican one. You live on the first border to be changed, hope you enjoy the benefits a Mexican Texas offers.

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Ignorance! That's all you display.

You poor ignorant bigot.

There have always been wet backs here. But most of those you point at with so much scorn are our very own native born and raised here and hugely patriotic Anerican citizen Mexicans.

And they have contributed very very much to our society. I would never want to be without them. (Or our wet back Mexicans, for that matter. Hell, they are part of us.)

Yes, there are bad ones and there are young and inexperienced ones, just like the blond headed blue eyed damnyankee snowbirds that are so much harder to put up with. But most are just normal hard working hard loving folks.

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I remember the Alamo. And I have read through the list of Texans that died there, noticing how many had Spanish surnames, good loyal Texas Mexicans. But then, at the time, everyone in the Alamo was a Mexican, in case you hadn't thought it through.

And I remember Goliad. At least the guys in the Alamo had guns when Santa Anna had them killed. He executed those at Goliad after they had surrendered their weapons and agreed to terms, including that they would not be killed.

Santa Anna was an evil jerk, which is why there was a Battle of the Alamo.

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