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Originally posted by glassman:
the "anti-immigration" sentiment would not be as bad as it is if we didn't have 11 million people coming here illegally.

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there's no excuse for this kind of behaviour, but there are ways to deal with it. and unless you address the actual issues instead of making excuses for both side of the problem? you won't fix anything.

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Originally posted by Lockman:
A bunch of a-holes attack and kill this poor guy and they should be punished as per our laws.

This however should not make the enforcement of illegal immigration weaker. Controlled and lawful immigration will make our country strong, illegal uncontrolled immigration will destroy us.

Recently a local illegal immigrant killed a local citizen, should I now call all illegal immigrants racist? The person killed was a woman, should I now call all illegal immigrants sexual preditors.

The fact that the guy killed in long island was hispanic does not make a society racist.

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Originally posted by glassman:
i saw the perpwalk on TV for this.

one of the assailants was black, and one of them was hispanic:

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Pacheco is half hispanic/black... that part i don't understand but the killer does have a record of hating hispanics and immigrants as well as having a Swastika tattoo on his thigh... and for the other assailant being black... that didn't matter because they were anti black... they are anti hispanic...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
comeon Mach, the title of this thread says you hate too. hate is the problem.

it's not like nobody (here) cares about individual people. the issue is that when you have large groups of people doing things? the stereotypes become the norm and not the exception...

the immigrants have done a few things to make this worse too:



this march was in Texas. wrong flag to be waving in America huh?

and it wasn't just a couple people:


 

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Posted by Lockman on :
 

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Originally posted by Machiavelli:

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Originally posted by Lockman:
A bunch of a-holes attack and kill this poor guy and they should be punished as per our laws.

This however should not make the enforcement of illegal immigration weaker. Controlled and lawful immigration will make our country strong, illegal uncontrolled immigration will destroy us.

Recently a local illegal immigrant killed a local citizen, should I now call all illegal immigrants racist? The person killed was a woman, should I now call all illegal immigrants sexual preditors.

The fact that the guy killed in long island was hispanic does not make a society racist.

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I guess you didn't read the part where i said he was a "LEGAL" immigrant and not illegal... he did everything correct in terms of immigration and still this is what happened to him... because of the stereotype that all hispanics are illegal immigrants... not that it matters because illegal or legal... such things should not happen to a human being regardless...

This has nothing to do with enforcement of illegal immigration and all to do with racism and stereotyping in this country... that kid had alot of hate in him and it most likely started in his home from his parents... it doesn't matter if it was a immigrant or not... could of been because the guy was black, asian, gay, woman etc. That is what you don't get Lock...

And i posted this not because it's a isolated incident but because it is very frequent here in Long Island, especially in Suffolk County where this crime occurred...

The difference between this story and the ones you have said about an illegal immigrant robbing or sexually assaulting a local in your area is that yours most likely is a isolated incident in which it was opportunistic situation... wouldn't have mattered the race of attacker and victim nor their citizenship status... the incident in Long Island was clearly racial and anti-immigrant and sorry for calling you this but your being ignorant because you do not live here and do not know the situations here... the incident in Long Island isn't a isolated one but a concentrated one... these anti immigrant/hispanic incidents have been happening alot in that area of Suffolk County since I would say the year 2000 or so...

I could search for other stories to show you... one other incident that comes to mind is when two other idiots lured two day laborers with a promise of construction jobs... they took them to a "worksite" and when they got there tried to kill them... same area of Long Island more or less... that is just two stories... there are others....

The fact that these incidents keep happening in Long Island and especially that area does make that society of Long Island racist...

Ignorance is bliss as they say...

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Instead of moving forward mach just wants to move backward and play the same ol cards that were played a while ago. Only one race is capable of racism to these people.

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Originally posted by glassman:
comeon Mach, the title of this thread says you hate too. hate is the problem.

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it's not like nobody (here) cares about individual people. the issue is that when you have large groups of people doing things? the stereotypes become the norm and not the exception...

the immigrants have done a few things to make this worse too:



this march was in Texas. wrong flag to be waving in America huh?

and it wasn't just a couple people:

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Originally posted by glassman:
comeon Mach, the title of this thread says you hate too. hate is the problem.

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Yes Glass I "hate" racism... there is nothing to love about it for me to use the word "love" or another word... no matter what polite word I use as a substitute would still have the same meaning..

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it's not like nobody (here) cares about individual people. the issue is that when you have large groups of people doing things? the stereotypes become the norm and not the exception...

the immigrants have done a few things to make this worse too:



this march was in Texas. wrong flag to be waving in America huh?

and it wasn't just a couple people:

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Oh, you mean like the flag for Ireland is waved in St. Patrick Day parades across the country especially in the Northeast every year on March 17th?

Or how about other parades celebrating pride in ones heritage like Columbus day parade for italians and half a dozen or more parades I can list if you wish?... Notice the Mexicans get singled out for doing the same thing that is done by others and aren't even mentioned...

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Originally posted by Lockman:
Hey Mach, I don't live on Long Island, but what your saying is there's racisism on long Island, there's a situation there where you percive the community is anti-hispanic, maybe it is.

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Your post however insinuated that the United States population is anti-Hispanic, that's not true. The United States bends over backwards to accomidate hispanics, what hispanic country can I go to and take my drivers test in English or for that matter any form from government document.
Having illegal Hispanic immigrants flooding our country is cause for part of the prejidice you feel. I don't think anyone should be beaten or hurt in anyway, but I'm sure their are those in the hispanic community that have prejedice towards other groups as well.

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1. Accomodate Hispanics? The Dems do, yes but the GOP certainly doesn't make them welcomed or accomodate them:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11222008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/answering_the_go ps_hispanic_dilemma_140162.htm

2. What Gov't let's you take a driver's test in english or application for Gov't documents in english? You don't travel much to Latin American country's i take it? English speaking alien residents in Costa Rica (for example) are accomodated in both things... and do not complain that Yankee's do not bother to learn spanish...

3. Prejudice in the Hispanic community toward other communities?. Gee, I wonder why.
 

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Why do hispanics feel entitled to special treatment
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Well, those Irish and Italians are not illegally entering the United States to have babies on US soil for free health care now are they? You do not hear "press 1 for irish, press 2 for english" do you? The Irish have a once a year festival, this is just in your face what are you going to do now type of mess. For crying out loud there are places in Texas that are now accepting PESOS as currency...PESOS!

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ahh ok.. so as long as you are a legal non discriminated in the present time Immigrant, it is ok to wave the flag of another country. No matter if 1 time a year or several times a year... how could i been stupid, it is so clear now.

I must be so stupid to think there is illegal immigrants from Ireland and other countries who take the same advantages as hispanic immigrants but are never discriminated against... you are right.. "All" illegal immigrants in this country are "Only" hispanic ... no white europeans, canadians, asians or from other Non Hispanic countrys... me so stupid...

Damn I am so stupid to think that only in our country other currencies are used instead and that our dollar is not used in other countries as a form of currency itself in Latin America, Asia (thailand etc.), Middle East etc:

"Dollarization and fixed exchange rates

Other nations besides the United States use the U.S. dollar as their official currency, a process known as official dollarization. For instance, Panama has been using the dollar alongside the Panamanian balboa as the legal tender since 1904 at a conversion rate of 1:1. Ecuador (2000), El Salvador (2001), and East Timor (2000) all adopted the currency independently. The former members of the U.S.-administered Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, which included Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands, chose not to issue their own currency after becoming independent, having all used the U.S. dollar since 1944. Two British dependencies also use the U.S. dollar: the British Virgin Islands (1959) and Turks and Caicos Islands (1973)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar#International_use

How could i be so stupid about such things and not see that the Cowman has thought this through and is all knowning...
 

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Posted by Machiavelli on :
 

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Why do hispanics feel entitled to special treatment

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Originally posted by bdgee:
"The Mexican demonstrations where the Mexican Flag was raised were designed to encourage unlawful immigration and the downfall of the United States Government."

Interesting.

Exactly how did you come by that information?

Was someone you personally know involved in that treachery and its planning, then passed the knowledge of it to you secretly?

You must hang out with some most influential people who must be plotting many other conspiracies.

You must be proud.

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Originally posted by bdgee:
I think they were celebrating. People do that in crowds, kind of like dogs in packs act differently from when they are curled up in front of the fireplace at home, be it at the World Series or the Million Man March (ticked me off that it dis-included women) or a Fourth of July parade.

(By the way, as one who had forebears that were forced to draw a black bean, I detest Cinco de Mayo celebrations north of the Rio Grande. But, as a staunch defender of the Constitution, I insist, they have the right to do that.)

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Originally posted by bdgee:
I think they were celebrating. People do that in crowds, kind of like dogs in packs act differently from when they are curled up in front of the fireplace at home, be it at the World Series or the Million Man March (ticked me off that it dis-included women) or a Fourth of July parade.

(By the way, as one who had forebears that were forced to draw a black bean, I detest Cinco de Mayo celebrations north of the Rio Grande. But, as a staunch defender of the Constitution, I insist, they have the right to do that.)

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Well for your interests lets hope they aren't celebrating Mextex, when they lower the Texas state flag and put up the Mexican one. You live on the first border to be changed, hope you enjoy the benefits a Mexican Texas offers.

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Originally posted by bdgee:
I think they were celebrating. People do that in crowds, kind of like dogs in packs act differently from when they are curled up in front of the fireplace at home, be it at the World Series or the Million Man March (ticked me off that it dis-included women) or a Fourth of July parade.

(By the way, as one who had forebears that were forced to draw a black bean, I detest Cinco de Mayo celebrations north of the Rio Grande. But, as a staunch defender of the Constitution, I insist, they have the right to do that.)

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Well for your interests lets hope they aren't celebrating Mextex, when they lower the Texas state flag and put up the Mexican one. You live on the first border to be changed, hope you enjoy the benefits a Mexican Texas offers.

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Ignorance! That's all you display.

You poor ignorant bigot.

There have always been wet backs here. But most of those you point at with so much scorn are our very own native born and raised here and hugely patriotic Anerican citizen Mexicans.

And they have contributed very very much to our society. I would never want to be without them. (Or our wet back Mexicans, for that matter. Hell, they are part of us.)

Yes, there are bad ones and there are young and inexperienced ones, just like the blond headed blue eyed damnyankee snowbirds that are so much harder to put up with. But most are just normal hard working hard loving folks.

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Originally posted by bdgee:
I remember the Alamo. And I have read through the list of Texans that died there, noticing how many had Spanish surnames, good loyal Texas Mexicans. But then, at the time, everyone in the Alamo was a Mexican, in case you hadn't thought it through.

And I remember Goliad. At least the guys in the Alamo had guns when Santa Anna had them killed. He executed those at Goliad after they had surrendered their weapons and agreed to terms, including that they would not be killed.

Santa Anna was an evil jerk, which is why there was a Battle of the Alamo.

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
ANNNND.......again.

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cash? your uh signature is not exactly conducive to ending the "problem"...

since you don't even have the quote right? or the spirit in which it was stated? i though you might like to see what he actually said:

Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives.You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.

you can find the whole speech right here. it's worth the time to read, he wasn't calling anyone typical.

http://inkslwc.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/barack-obama-bitter-pennsylvanians-cling -to-guns-or-religion/


it seems to me that he was correct, if not Right.

and? the bitterer people sound? the more correct he becomes.

i hear alot of bitterness lately, and it's not Obama's fault.
 

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Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Still Glass, you just dont say that at such a sensitive time.
 

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Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Still Glass, you just dont say that at such a sensitive time.

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i'm not excusing him, what i'm saying is that the bitterness is getting worse.

even here.

he was quoted well out of context, and i bet you that pretty soon? alot of liberals are going to be biotching about how "centrist" he is..

it's youzalls choices how to post here and talk elsewhere.. budgee isn't going to change all by himself and you know it.

Obama never lied to us so far, that's a huge start. i expect him to tho
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
i should restate that part about Obama lying, i haven't caught a lie out of him yet, but i'm watching

we have a rough few years ahead, no matter who is in charge.
 

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Posted by Peaser on :
 
Obama will be a GREAT president IMO. I am not expecting him to lie to us, yet I've expected it out of a lot of past presidents.(When will I learn)

I believe that if Obama does get caught in a lie, there could be an uprising due to the times.

I am expecting Obama to be forthcoming with the public, thus making the "Obama for Change" slogan true.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
well, i hope you're right Peaser, we need a good president. we desparately need at least a half-decent one...

but he's still a politician, i'm sure even the best of them tell themselves it's for our own good when they sart and then it's just freighttrains form there..
 

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Posted by Peaser on :
 
Virgins...

Hopefully Obama will keep himself honest with all the experience surrounding him.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
yep... we hired him cuz he wasn't already all "infected"
 

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Posted by Peaser on :
 
but he's still a politician, i'm sure even the best of them tell themselves it's for our own good when they sart and then it's just freighttrains form there..

Agreed.

He will be great, only if he remains honest and forthcoming, and does not succumb to politicism.

Politicism could be a new word in Webster's, and redefine politics going forward.

I've got high hopes...
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
Different people will see what they want. Not being able to fulfill campaign promises due to changes in the field isn't necessarily a lie.

I don't expect him to roll back the Bush tax cuts as he may want. He needs to be prudent and judge each decision on the best available data at the time.

No one can say that the landscape hasn't changed since he won the Democratic nomination. It has! The economy is much worse than most were led to believe. Yep, some of us here had a pretty good idea of how bad it was/is.

My biggest hope is that he will be able to step back from the fray and reassess if necessary for the betterment of the nation and not be stubborn like our current President or only hear what he wants to hear. We have had enough of that.

I am encouraged by the choices he has made in selecting his cabinet. He is surrounding himself with intelligent people many who have minds of their own. the ultimate decision will be his but al least it seems that he is willing to listen to all sides, internalizing it and then acting.

I remember during the campaign when the Left was shouting for him to get down in the dirt with McCain/Palin and he took his time to consider then decided to throw a few jabs instead of haymakers. He led his campaign and did it well, hopefully he does the same in this very difficult time.

CashCowMoo
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Still Glass, you just dont say that at such a sensitive time.

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I'm a "typical white person" that according to Obama, is "bitter and clings to guns and religion."

No but it's okay to divide the country into different classes of Americans because they see things differently. It's okay to insinuate that Obama is a muslim terrorist and not like the rest of us.

Just to show you how a comment can be taken out of context: You are not a "typical White person" since many of them voted for Obama, he could not have won without their vote but according to your signature line you are bitter, cling to guns and religion instead of discourse. I have read your and many others comments throughout the campaign that no matter what evidence was presented you did cling to Guns and Religion. It was stated plainly many times in those posts that Obama was Muslim(terrorist) and going to take away your guns. I guess the old saying is appropriate. If the shoe fits, wear it.
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
I really hadn't posted on the subject of the thread. First, the attacks on Mach were way out of line, even for off topic posting. The first thing that came to my mind is what the reaction would have been if he had posted that he was sending every dime he could to help his Brother. I'm sure the response would have been how unamerican he was for sending money to another country to support it instead of keeping it here.

Mach, I wish your brother the best. I have been going through a similar experience with my cousin, who is as close as my bros. are too me. It's been over a year now. Because of Bureaucracy and having stopped working to take care of his sick and elderly parents, he had no medical insurance. He's originally went into the emergency room and was in the hospital for about a week until they realized he had no insurance or means to pay privately. He was then discharged and told to go to the county hospital. Long story short. He was on a catheter for 9 months while they tested for cancer and everything else. He finally had surgery(laser thank god) to remove a blockage. He is off the catheter but the infection recurred so they are back to testing for cancer again. There are a lot of ups and downs, diagnosing the problem is anything but scentific, it's closer to playing the game operation, hit and miss.

Stay strong.
 

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Posted by Peaser on :
 
IMO, don't listen to the local doc.

Get a second or third opinion.

It is worth your life to get to the nearest Cancer Treatment Center Of America.

I know two people that are now "cancer free" for going there.
 

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Posted by wallymac on :
 
I wish that was an option but there aren't any in this area and no funds. There have been 3 opinions already but none of them agree. Life in the big city, you play the hand you are dealt.
 

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I am sorry to hear wally
 

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I am sorry to hear wally

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Originally posted by wallymac:
I really hadn't posted on the subject of the thread. First, the attacks on Mach were way out of line, even for off topic posting. The first thing that came to my mind is what the reaction would have been if he had posted that he was sending every dime he could to help his Brother. I'm sure the response would have been how unamerican he was for sending money to another country to support it instead of keeping it here.

Mach, I wish your brother the best. I have been going through a similar experience with my cousin, who is as close as my bros. are too me. It's been over a year now. Because of Bureaucracy and having stopped working to take care of his sick and elderly parents, he had no medical insurance. He's originally went into the emergency room and was in the hospital for about a week until they realized he had no insurance or means to pay privately. He was then discharged and told to go to the county hospital. Long story short. He was on a catheter for 9 months while they tested for cancer and everything else. He finally had surgery(laser thank god) to remove a blockage. He is off the catheter but the infection recurred so they are back to testing for cancer again. There are a lot of ups and downs, diagnosing the problem is anything but scentific, it's closer to playing the game operation, hit and miss.

Stay strong.

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IMO, don't listen to the local doc.

Get a second or third opinion.

It is worth your life to get to the nearest Cancer Treatment Center Of America.

I know two people that are now "cancer free" for going there.

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I am sorry to hear that Mach.

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yw Mach.

CTCOA does just that Mach, they attack cancer from all angles.

That is partly what turned me on to USANA, as they produce the highest-end nutritional supps(vitamins+minerals) on the market, aimed at combatting free-radicals + cell degeneration. The founder, Dr. Myron Wentz, is a pretty remarkable man.

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The main problem I have with docs is that the majority don't believe in healing unless a drug is involved, as "only drugs can be cures" according to the FDA.

The body needs a lot of supplements that are lacking in many home grown foods today. A healthy diet isn't enough these days. As the soil has been depleted over the years, so has the nutrients in our food supply.

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