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I hope everybody here is planning to vote in their respective primaries when the time comes.
even if you are voting for the wrong person? we need to show ALL the politicians that we expect them to work for their voters. why should they bother if nobody shows up to vote?
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That's particularly important, glass..., when you realize that, in the last couple of presidential elections, a major effort of the Party was to suppress the vote of their opposition (not necessarily of the OTHER party) rather than increase those of their own kind.
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As a registered independent I have usually waited until the playing field narrows before I start paying attention.
Can independents even vote in primaries? Or do you have to be party affiliated?
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There are a lot of people virgin to primary voting planning to participate this time. people that have never voted or had stopped voting, primary or general election, are planning to get involved. That is good, provided they follow through. Many because of weather or whatever, will continue their procrastinating ways, though.
The arguments that it doesn't make any difference, the parties are the same, and one vote doesn't matter seem shallow in view of what this Administration has fouled up and the close questionable past two elections.
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They are open primaries up here but I still have to choose one party to vote for.
As an independent I'd really rather be able to vote in both primaries rather than having to choose one party over the other.
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the more votes? the more the politicians will ALL pay attention to the people.
even if you vote in the primary for one that doesn't win? the others will be looking at numbers trying to determine how to get you to come out again...
once they are in office? it's a different story (till the next election anyway), but if 70%+ of registered voters were to show up and vote ALL THE TIME? the politicians would take the voters much more seriously...
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Not a chance she will drop out. Remember, Billy lost Iowa pretty bad in 92. And this new order od primaries means she gets to some places where she should have strong support soon.
More important to note, particularly for those that are dumb enough to think Hillary is a liberal, her votes in Iowa all came from staunchly conservative counties. That may not be a good sign for her in places like California.
Obama's biggest block of supporters seem to be the young and the normally non-voting. It's hard to kep those people on track, so he may not be so strong later when in the primaries and in a general election.
The other great signal of Iowa this time is that the turn out in the Democratic caucuses was huge and included most of the independent and a considerable number of people that had always voted republican. THAT is NOT good for the republicans.
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i don't think Hillary will pick up from here...
she worked hard to get third... she doesn't have the "charm" of either Bill, Barrrack or Huckabee...
Barrak vs Huckabee? things will get downright wierd...
it is really hard for me to look (into my crystal ball) at how the southern vote will go if that's the race.. the southern vote has been the "decider" for the last several elections.. the African Americans will come to support Barrack instead of Clinton (IMO) once they realise that alot of white folks are ready to vote for him.. and that's what they did in Iowa...
the south could get split in half over that combination...
and yes, the GOP is currently in disarray and demoralised
i like Huckabee as a person. will he, can he, be a good president? idunno yet, we'll be hearing MUCH more about him now...
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After tonights results I think McCain will win the Republican nomination and if Obama is the Democrat nominee I say McCain wins (another war hawk at the helm).
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You can't hardly help but to like Huckabee, and between the two, they are both the youngest gents running.
But I like the youthfully message of change Obama is speaking of. A change would be very welcome from what all the crap the last 3 presidents put on us. They say Barack doesn't have the experience, but hell, how many advisers does a president have anyway?
I like his point on tax cuts for the middle class, insted of Bushys cuts for mostly the rich.
That, and his point on reducing dependency on oil.
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How could such a nazi ever consider becoming president? Really! He says women shouldn't be allowed in the combat forces of the army, that gays are diseased (opposes ALL gay rights, unbelievable in 2008), he wants to "isolate" AIDS patients, and supports creationism?! How is it even possible that this man can run for president?! If America wants to be a truly free country then another fundamentalist christian is not what America needs! What this lunatic needs to do is go back to his cave and live in his own version of the middle ages while praying to his imaginary jesus friend, but he should stay out of the real RATIONAL thinking world and not try to run it with his dangerous (!) christian thinking
It's funny how christians always say they don't want other people's beliefs/values forced down their throats, but a fundamentalist leader forcing HIS beliefs onto the entire country is a real possibility. Talk about freedom
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quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: That Huckabee guy scares me endlessly
How could such a nazi ever consider becoming president? Really! He says women shouldn't be allowed in the combat forces of the army, that gays are diseased (opposes ALL gay rights, unbelievable in 2008), he wants to "isolate" AIDS patients, and supports creationism?! How is it even possible that this man can run for president?! If America wants to be a truly free country then another fundamentalist christian is not what America needs! What this lunatic needs to do is go back to his cave and live in his own version of the middle ages while praying to his imaginary jesus friend, but he should stay out of the real RATIONAL thinking world and not try to run it with his dangerous (!) christian thinking
It's funny how christians always say they don't want other people's beliefs/values forced down their throats, but a fundamentalist leader forcing HIS beliefs onto the entire country is a real possibility. Talk about freedom
You are questioning the Republican Party and it's most fundamental beliefs. In the SE U.S. they now have usurped the KKK's message.
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"homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk".
I didn't add that this was an old quote, but I don't care that it is and that he speaks differently now (of course he'll speak differently, he's campaigning) it's an incredibly DUMB thing to say. When you say something like that it shows your true hateful self
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"homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk".
he also went on to say that we are all sinners, and he wasn't trying to say that he is better than anybody (in trms of being a sinner)else...
it's a fairly common belief, and i don't agree with his usage of terms either....
as for graciuosly submitting? that's funny it sounds good on paper, but it never happens...
i don't think women should be sent into combat either. they get killed and maimed there. the source for that idea is very old, and has biological roots, it's a numbers game....
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Personally, I'd rather no one of any gender (and I'll include those that may be of both or mixed or no gender) be sent into combat and not just because "they get killed and maimed there".
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well, when i was 18? i believed i was indestructable...
i was ready to go...
i know some women that have that fire too, but not many, most of 'em think i'm crazy, i was fortunate enough to find one that accepted my "insanity" even tho she isn't interested herself... if a woman really wants to go to war? i won't stop her.
IMO? politicians start wars, and warriors END them.
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better throw my two cents in here Here goes that vicious cycle thing again. I feel that, women want (and deserve) equal rights, therefore they should share the burden that assures that those rights are available. i.e.: war, military servitude (and not just nurses and secretaries) I’m talking hands on fighting. BUT, and this is a big BUTT I do not support a draft of any kind men or women, but I do not think that all women should ever be included in a draft, voluntary service only. Call me old fashioned
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I do not think that woman in general could handle the physical part of some of the different jobs of war. Some could but many could not, so equal in that sense is out.
Besides some guys would get sidetracked and they might make love and not war.
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