Allstocks.com's Bulletin Board Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Allstocks.com's Bulletin Board » General Investing Topics » Daytrading with less than $25K

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Daytrading with less than $25K
Av8trader
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Av8trader     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I don't have $25k in my trading account with Scottrade so I cannot daytrade more than 3 times in 5 business days.

Not being able to get out of a trade every now and then intraday sucks.

I came across this site recently that would allow me to daytrade with less than $25k.

http://www.harmontrading.com

Is anyone familiar with them or have any other recommendations?

Posts: 28 | From: Georgia | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
T e x
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for T e x     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
be careful, that 25k deal is an SEC/NASD reg, aimed at margins for calls...I'd make sure they know what they're doing. If day-trading is important, try mulitiple accounts...

I notice they also charge fees depending on routing:
quote:
Trade fees do not include ECN fees which are passed through by the clearing firm at the following rates:

LAMP FREE FREE
SBSH FREE FREE
FANC FREE FREE
INET $0.003 Per Share
ARCA $0.004 Per Share
TRAC $0.004 Per Share
BRUT $0.004 Per Share
ATTN $0.004 Per Share
SIZE $0.003 Per Share
OES $0.003 Per Share
NITE $0.003 Per Share
ARCA OTC BB $24 Trade

If you grab 10k shares of sumpin, that's another 30-40 bucks, eh?

[ April 23, 2006, 16:41: Message edited by: BuyTex ]

--------------------
Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

Posts: 21062 | From: Fort Worth | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I wouldnt recommend daytrading with less then 25K ... thats like going to a No Limit Hold Em poker game with not enough capital... you will lose it all eventually...

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
T e x
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for T e x     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I hear ya, Mach--the point I got from his post was the occassional round trip one might need to make to exit a free-fall...

--------------------
Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

Posts: 21062 | From: Fort Worth | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Av8trader
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Av8trader     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the input.

Tex, you are right about the exit. In addition to that, I would like the option of getting out on the way up intraday if something is soaring before the possible crash.

After my 3 freebies, my hands are tied overnight unless I want to get my account frozen or worse.

You mentioned margin. If I don't have a margin account would the 3 daytrades in 5 days still apply per the SEC?

Posts: 28 | From: Georgia | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
T e x
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for T e x     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Moi? my mention about margin is what the "pattern day trader" rule zeroes in on...not leaving the broker exposed...(and keeping the riff-raff out, lol). Folks with margin accounts who get popped get "demoted" to cash accounts. I've heard cash accounts get frozen/suspended for 90 days, but don't know about that...that's why i say get 2-3 accounts...

or, play stuff you can buy today, sell "tomorrow" (maybe the next day)

--------------------
Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

Posts: 21062 | From: Fort Worth | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Av8trader
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Av8trader     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Thanks. Just came across choicetrade tonight. I'll get another account rockin'.

Thanks again.

Posts: 28 | From: Georgia | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
T e x
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for T e x     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
you bet--don't forget what Mach said, bro...true daytrading is sumpin you work up to, *if* that's a match with your talents, risk-capacity, capital, etc...

best luck...

--tex

--------------------
Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

Posts: 21062 | From: Fort Worth | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Av8trader
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Av8trader     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
I hear that. I won't be doing any true daytrading anytime soon.

I did however sign up for a free trial of microcap and read DardaDogs thread on possible ways to utilize it. Great stuff!

http://www.allstocks.com/html/microcap_trade_tips__by_dardad.html

Posts: 28 | From: Georgia | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
T e x
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for T e x     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
yup...

actually, a pretty "famous" post...prolly copied at every semi-decent message board in the world.

Keep us in the loop, Av8...

--------------------
Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

Posts: 21062 | From: Fort Worth | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Av8trader
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Av8trader     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
You got it Tex. Keep me in the loop as well.

I'm just a big ol' friggin sponge at this point!

Posts: 28 | From: Georgia | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
you need to read books AV8trader... I can give you a list but im tired of typing it lol ... perhaps Tex has the link to my book lists...

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Av8trader
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Av8trader     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Here is what I've digested thus far:

Beginner's guide to short term trading - Turner

Come into my Trading Room - Elder

How I made 2M in the Stock Market - Darvas

One Up on Wall Street - Lynch

Most of William O'Neils books

Currently enjoying:

Market Wizards - Schwager

Reminiscences of a Stock Operator - Lefevre

Posts: 28 | From: Georgia | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
T e x
Member


Icon 1 posted      Profile for T e x     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Mach, why don't you do it one more time, then post it here?

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/9/t/001150.html?

man, i thought i copied that last big list and stuck it there, but I guess I missed it...

Av8: dewd, you read all that this quick? You're gonna hurt your eyes, man... lol, don't burn out...

Actually, there's good, long newbie post on that same thread, just FYI

--------------------
Nashoba Holba Chepulechi
Adventures in microcapitalism...

Posts: 21062 | From: Fort Worth | Registered: Apr 2005  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Machiavelli
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Machiavelli     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Let's see if i can remember my list:

A Beginner's Guide to Short Term Trading by Toni Turner www.toniturner.com

The Candlestick Course by Steve Nison www.candlecharts.com

How I Made $2,000,000 in the Stock Market by Nicolas Darvas

Trend Following by Michael Covel

Market Wizards by Jack D. Schwager

New Market Wizards by Jack D. Schwager

Stock Market Wizards by Jack D. Schwager

Reminesces of a Stock Operator by Edwin Lefevre

thats all i can remember right now... im very tired tonight lol... i know my list is longer then this..

--------------------
Let the world change you... And you can change the world.

Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna

Posts: 4669 | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
Av8trader
Member


Rate Member
Icon 1 posted      Profile for Av8trader     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Tex and Mach, Thanks for the input and the link. That last one is going to keep me busy for awhile!

I got bit by the trading bug back in December. That is when I became an Amazon.com junkie and started reading the books on my list.

Posts: 28 | From: Georgia | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged | Report this post to a Moderator
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | Allstocks.com Message Board Home

© 1997 - 2021 Allstocks.com. All rights reserved.

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2

Share