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I have gotten some PM's from some great new newbies.....(you know who you are)....Asking lots of questions.
I will continue to help as much as I can but, wanted to post this to get out some info.
Posting it here as this seems to be where they are looking.

This is going to be very long but the best read you'll find on this board!

These are Post's on how to make money in this market by three of the greatest people I have had the pleasure of trading with!

Learn ALL(LOL) of the tips and you'll do fine.
And.........Yes, I do make money.

Make money and sell....If it goes up more, Good for the other guy holding it, You've made money. MOVE ON!

First great info from Ric...(((HUGS)))

I updated my dd for all so here it is. I am writing a more detailed things you need to know section and will post when I finish.

Things you need to know

Best two pieces of advice for pennies. 1) Don't let people convince you that a penny is a long hold. You will get burnt. Buy low, sell high, and never look back. 2) Due Diligence.

There is two ways to lose money in the penny market that a lot refuse to listen to.

1) Never hold a penny stock after a run. Sell it and if it does run again you can still buy it back but 90% of the time it will fall back to where it was and sometimes lower. Penny's are manipulated on too many levels and holding long will only lose you money and give you a ulcer. Take profits and walk away. If anyone tells you to hold a penny long they are holding that stock at a lose.

2) Don't play group plays and if you can't help yourself take profit as quickly as possible. When the group leaves the stock will drop faster then you can leave.

Worry about a stock that people refuse to hear negative comment on. They are hiding valuable information from you. You can't make a honest choice without all the facts. And all penny's have bad news or they wouldn't be here. If a stock is being pumped to hard then there is a reason for that. Its losing them money.

There is some excitement in runs too that may conflict with what I just said but it's still risky. Because of the manipulation in this market either through groups, boards, MM's or the company a uptrend can turn on you quickly. Find your risk level and move on when it is met. Never look back on profit and wonder if I stayed longer that I could have made more because the next one will burn you if you don't obey your own rules. If you really think it can move further, sell enough to get your money back and ride the rest. A whole lot less risk.


Two things that you must learn about charts immediately is RSI and Bollinger Bands. They are so important. Now there is so much you can learn in charts that will help you make choices but I consider the above the most important things to learn for any investors. RSI will let you know if there is buying pressure or selling pressure. It will also confirm a run. Bollinger Bands also show price pressures and are used to support other indicators. There are links below under TA for education on understanding charts.


Relative Strength Index

Definition:

Relative Strength Index (RSI), an oscillator introduced by J. Welles Wilder, Jr., could be more appropriately called the internal strength index, for it compares the price of a security relative to itself. The RSI is based upon the difference between the average of the closing price on up days vs. the average closing price on the down days over a given period, and is plotted on a vertical scale of 0 to 100. An oscillator refers to a momentum or rate-of-change indicator that is usually valued from -1 to +1 or 0% to %100.

Wilder advocated a 14-day RSI, although shorter and longer periods have gained popularity when the market exhibits certain characteristics. Generally, RSI is measured in a period between 5 and 25.

Interpretation:

There are several possible interpretations for the Relative Strength Index, any of which can be very powerful depending on the market conditions and trading/investment approach: One interpretation is that buy signals are triggered when RSI is in oversold (20-30) area, potentially meaning that the stock is about to reach its low for this trend, and sell signals are triggered when RSI is in overbought (70-80) area, potentially signaling a market top.

A second mode of interpretation is to look for support and resistance lines or common chart formations such as head and shoulders in the RSI itself, indicating potential reversals that the stock chart may not.

A third mode of interpretation is to recognize divergences in the RSI, such as when the price is moving up when the RSI is moving down or vice versa. This can mean that the price is going to "correct" and move in the direction of the RSI.

A fourth mode of interpretation for the RSI is to view it as a bullish or bearish signal when it crosses 50. When the RSI crosses above 50 it can be considered bullish, and when it crosses below 50 it can be considered bearish.


Bollinger Bands

Definition:

Investors use trading bands, lines drawn above and below the moving average, to isolate a range of prices for a given security, based on the concept that a stock generally trades within a predictable range on either side of the moving average. When a stock is near the upper or lower limits of the trading bands is when an investor should pay closest attention, according to conventional wisdom.

Bollinger Bands are considered some of the most useful bands in technical analysis, for they vary in distance from the moving average of a security's price based on the security's volatility. During periods of increased fluctuation, the bands widen to take this into account, and when the fluctuation decreases, the bands are tapered for a narrower focus to the price range. The upper band is the standard deviation multiplied by a given factor above the simple moving average, and the lower band is the standard deviation multiplied by the same given factor below the simple moving average.

Interpretation:

The standard interpretation is that Bollinger Bands do not give absolute buy and sell signals, but instead indicate whether the price is relatively high or low, allowing for more informed confirmation with other technical indicators.

Bollinger Bands are typically drawn two standard deviations from a twenty day simple moving average for intermediate-term analysis, ten day for short term with 1.5 standard deviations, and fifty for long-term studies with 2.5 standard deviations. According to John Bollinger, for the most accurate average "choose one that provides support to the correction of the first move up off a bottom. If the average is penetrated by the correction, then the average is too short. If, in turn, the correction falls short of the average, then the average is too long. An average that is correctly chosen will provide support far more often than it is broken."

Mr. Bollinger also contends that:

Sharp moves tend to occur after the bands tighten to the average, when a stock is less volatile. The greater the period of less volatility, the higher the propensity for a price breakout.

When the price hits the upper or lower bands, it is suggested to confirm with other indicators whether that price movement shows strength or weakness, respectively, which could indicate a continuation. If indicators do not confirm this movement, it can suggest a reversal.

Tops or bottoms made outside the bands, followed by the same inside the bands, indicate a trend reversal.

A move originating at one band tends to go to the other band.

"Resource from IQCharts"


DD for otcbb and pinksheets

Try these two DD tools to be quick and good with your facts. At pinksheets in a matter of seconds under Company Info I can give you o/s, any r/s, company name changes, or planned changes and more. Quotetracker is a program you install on your computer. I wouldn't survive without it in a quick paced market. Tons of TA and FA with dd. Shoot pinksheets is my homepage on Firefox browser for quick reference. This is the first two places I go for fast due diligence.

www.pinksheets.com {Company Info tab is loaded with information} {SEC Filing Tab - wow} {News Tab - Pr's at your finger tips}

www.quotetracker.com - after you set it up add a symbol quickly then charts, news, research, and raw data at your finger tips. Great charts.

DD is mainly knowing where to go.


FA – Fundamental Analysis

www.pinksheets.com - first place to look!!!! Go to Company info for o/s. r/s, name changes, and many other facts. Go to SEC tab to look for filings. News tabs for latest news that may not show up through normal wire service.

www2.barchart.com - after you enter stock symbol select opinion to see trend spotter

www.otcbbtrader.com – otcbb loser/winner by volume, price, shares, transaction, and more

http://www.otcbbtrader.com/portal/n_letter/gen/Microcap_Recap_Report.html - otcbb market recap on otcbb and pinksheet market for the day

http://tinyurl.com/9s2wr - DD site that is great.

www.otcbb.com – otcbb news

www.boardcentral.com/index.php?view=Main – most popular stock search

www.smallcapcenter.com – otcbb resources

http://smallcapcenter.com/tools_QuickSearch.asp?page=QUICKSEARCH.ASP - free filter

http://www.stockfetcher.com/ - stock filter

http://knobias.10kwizard.com/ - SEC Edgar filings


TA – Technical Analysis

www.stockcharts.com – charting web site

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com – charting web site

http://www.iqcharts.com/education - TA, candlesticks, chart patterns education

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/ChartAnalysis - teaches chart analysis

http://www.transitionstrading.com/Chart_Studies.htm - teaching about charts


General DD

http://www.allstocks.com/edu/index.html - Research links

http://www.quotemedia.com/results.php - Free level II (not pink)/Delayed

http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/aspx/regsho.aspx - “Sho” list

http://www.nasdaq.com – Tons of information (insider trading/IPO’s/Most active/much more)

http://www.tradetrek.com/online.asp - General but with 5 day and 6 month forecasts

http://www.secform4.com – Free real time insider trader monitor

http://www.otcbbtrader.com/portal/goto.dll - Market Data

http://www.stockmarketyellowpages.com – search tool

http://www.rookiedaytrader.com – Some good advise here

http://www.epubsinc.com/index.php?pageName=formtypes – Edgar form types and descriptions

http://www.shellstockreview.com/ssrShellsBySym.htm - Shell companies

http://www.daytradingcoach.com/index2.htm - trading tips, education, quotes and charts

http://www.investopedia.com/ - dictionary of stock terms, tutorials

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/MarketAnalysis/dowtheory1.html - theory of market movement

http://www.stockcharts.com/education/TradingStrategies/ - well known trading strategies

http://our-street.com/home.htm - list of scam companies

www.sec.gov – latest filings, litigations, proceedings, or suspensions

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Phone Numbers provided by HitMe101

Knight Equity Markets, L.P.
NASDAQ TRADING
800-222-4910

NASDAQ TRADING
888-515-0031

BULLETIN BOARD
800-232-3684

DELISTING/BANKRUPTCY
212-336-8656

DELISTING/BANKRUPTCY
212-336-8791

DELISTING/BANKRUPTCY
212-336-8792

INTERNATIONAL
800-762-0271

BROKER/DEALER DESK
888-302-9197

INSTITUTIONAL DESK
800-222-4895

FOREIGN BULLETIN BD
212-336-8841

HELP DESK
888-931-HELP

NITE UBS Capital Markets L.P.
JERSEY CITY, NJ
N/A

DOMESTIC TRADING
212-514-5140

FOREIGN/ADR TRADING
212-804-3354

OTC BB/PINK TRADING
800-631-3094

DEALER/SALES TRADING
800-213-2923

TD Waterhouse Capital Markets, Inc.
OTC TRADING
201-369-8830

BULLETIN BOARD
201-369-8889

BULLETIN BOARD
800-500-3905

DEALER/INST SALES
201-369-1000

DEALER/INST SALES
800-369-5775

JEFFERIES & COMPANY, INC.
BULLETIN BOARD TRDG
212-336-7007

BROKER DEALER
877-350-2855

NASDAQ TRADING
972-701-3100

DALLAS TX
800-527-6816

AGENCY TRADING
972-701-3250

DALLAS TX
877-273-9728

LOS ANGELES
310-914-1163

STAMFORD CT.
203-708-5910

866-682-2398

INTL TRADING
203-708-5890

800-525-8620

877-350-BULL

LISTED TRADING
973-912-2790

CONVERTIBLES
203-708-5868

BROKER/DEALER DESK
212-336-7007

JEFF Tradition Asiel Securities Inc.
NASDAQ
212-791-4770

OTCBB
212-791-5335

VANDHAM SECURITIES CORP.
NEW YORK NY
212-223-7510

CloseVNDM 07:30
0.015 50 Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.
NEW YORK, NY
212-422-7813

CONVERTIBLE BONDS
212-668-5764

800-682-5381

NASDAQ/OTCBB TRADING
212-422-7813

LISTED DESK
212-668-8033

INSTITUTIONAL DEPT
212-943-9055
Hudson Securities, Inc.
JERSEY CITY, NJ
201-216-9100

JERSEY CITY, NJ
800-624-0050

JERSEY CITY, NJ
212-227-7733

INSTITUTIONAL SALES
800-419-9187

201-216-0375

COLORADO
888-576-1828

BOCA RATON, FL
800-898-2777

INTERNATIONAL
888-306-1998

561-361-0951

CANADIAN ARB
201-216-1475

WM. V. FRANKEL & CO., INCORPORATED
JERSEY CITY, NJ
201-434-5005

NEW YORK, NY
212-943-6633

NEW YORK, NY
800-631-3091

SEABOARD SECURITIES, INC.
NASDAQ/OTCBB
973-514-1699

FLORHAM PK, NJ
973-514-1500

AGENCY DESK
973-514-1678

JUNO BEACH FL.
561-630-6170

Hill Thompson Magid and Co., Inc.
JERSEY CITY, NJ
201-434-8100

JERSEY CITY, NJ
212-233-2200

NASDAQ TRADING
800-631-3083

ADR TRADING
800-879-9842

CANADIAN EQUITIES
866-235-7016

BANK STOCKS
866-291-6316

CHICAGO, IL
800-999-8073

CHICAGO, IL
312-372-3828

Maxim Group LLC
NEW YORK, NY
212-895-3680

800-261-0498

OTCBB
212-895-3874

FOREIGN TRADING
212-895-3897

INTL Trading, Inc.
ORLANDO FL
407-741-5399

800-541-1977

OTCBB DESK
800-327-5703

OTCBB DESK
407-741-5394

NEW YORK, NY
212-485-3545

Bear, Stearns & Co. Inc.
NEW YORK NY
212-272-4810

OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
212-272-4975

NASDAQ TRADING
800-247-7882

EMERGING MARKETS
212-272-9297

INTERNATIONAL
212-272-4580

ARBITRAGE
212-272-4506

PREFERRED
212-272-5104

PREFERRED
800-231-8892

CONVERTIBLES
212-272-4484

HIGH YIELD DEPT
212-272-5100

OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
212-272-4975

VFINANCE INVESTMENTS, INC
OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
800-487-0577

OTCBB/PINK SHEETS
561-981-1314

NEW JERSEY
908-782-4469

NEW YORK
908-782-4469

PHILADELPHIA
856-234-2900

PERSHING TRADING COMPANY, L.P.
JERSEY CITY NJ
201-413-3531

NASDAQ TRADING
800-305-0161

BULLETIN BOARD
201-413-2700

DEALER DESK
201-413-2465

866-880-9410

Fulcrum Global Partners LLC
OTCBB DESK
212-803-7046

OTCBB BROKER/DEALER
212-803-7070

CANADIAN/FOREIGN DSK
212-803-9026

Sterne Agee Capital Markets, Inc.
BOCA RATON, FL
561-368-8373

BOCA RATON, FL
800-930-3536

DEALER SALES, FRANK
800-979-4568

DOMESTIC SECURITIES, INC.
EDISON, NJ - OTC
732-661-0300

MONTVALE, NJ OTC
201-782-0009

MONTVALE, NJ HQ
201-782-0888

BILTMORE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATION
TRADING DESK
732-791-4000

ALTERNATE
732-287-6535

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Recovering a Loss

Loss - Gain Needed to Recover Loss

10% -- 11.1%

20% -- 25.0%

30% -- 42.9%

40% -- 66.7%

50% - 100.0%

60% - 150.0%

75% - 300.0%

90% - 1000.0%

Timing your entry and exit from the market is critical to making money and controlling losses.


These are MM signals.
100 > I need shares
200 > I need shares badly but dont take it down to get them.
300 > Take the price down to get shares....
400 > Trade it sideways based on Supply and Demand
500 > Gap one way or the other, usually to the direction of the 500 trade. Sometimes -if in the middle -keep the price right where it is.


Pennies are all about volatility and trends. The only reason to look at a 6 month chart or longer is to see the overall trend of the stock. Is it going up, down, or staying the same with little bumps in the road. Look for peaks and valleys and do they happen on a regular basis. If so then look for a bottom and buy then sell at the top and wait for the next valley.

Never let people tell you after a run that it will run again. That rarely happens. Usually after a run it slowly drops back down. Never average down. Sell and buy back at bottom. Holding until bottom never makes you money, it only makes your loses harder to bare.

Longs in a penny stock want you in so they give you the pretty picture. They hope they can get enough new investors to make their stock move and it won't until the stock is ready. Learn to follow trends and how to find the bottom plays. Usually if a stock has more then a couple pages then the stocks has already done something and hope is what keeps the thread going of it moving again.

Be smart, think, learn, and research.


Next our wonderful and lovely Queen of daytrading...Diana! I miss you girl!!!!!and Hello Sunny, If you are still reading!

Realityinc21.

IT'S CONTROLED BY THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAPPINGS OF THE MARKET.

Stage 1 - Accumulation. Stock is quiet, trading sideways and without a lot of volatility. Most everyone ignores the stock because it has no sizzle. Insiders hold large blocks of stock and quietly gear up for the distribution.
Stage 2 - Breakout. Volume jumps up, psychological barriers are broken. Insiders begin to tell their friends of upcoming significant fundamental change. Pros take notice and buy the stock on the coat tails of the well informed. The public ignores it because they have not read about the company in the paper yet. It must be a scam.
Stage 3 - Uptrend. As a larger audience learns of the company and its promise, more buying comes in to the stock and it begins to climb. Pros begin to sell, but slowly. Average investor begins to buy.
Stage 4 - Pullback. The stock has gone up too fast, and some profit taking arrives. The jumpy investor who got the entry timing right but lacks confidence in his or her decision sells the stock with a small profit, and smiles in the mirror. The Pro holds on, Average Investor looks through the newspaper to find justification for ownership of the shares.
Stage 5 - Resumption of the Uptrend. The pull back is short lived, and the stock bounces and continues higher. The wannabe regrets the sell, but provides self counsel on the merit of making a profit, albeit a small one. The Pro might sell a little bit more, but still holds the majority of the original position. The Average Investor is getting excited now, and thinks about what could have been if only he had bought when he first noticed the stock.
Stage 6 - Exhaustion of the Uptrend. The media takes notice, and communicates the company's merits to the masses. The masses buy the stock, and it goes up sharply with strong volume. The Pros sell with enthusiasm. The Average Investor owns it now, and is telling everyone who will listen. The wannabe Pro jumps back on, after all, he was smart enough to buy it when the trend started, so he knows the stock well. Will hope make it go higher?
Stage 7 - Gravity Works. Pro selling begins to weigh on the uptrend, and the stock fails to go higher despite high volumes. The stock starts to go down instead of up, and the Pro is almost sold out. The Average Investor continues to cheer lead, hoping to rally support. The wannabe ignores what the market is telling him, taking a loss is too painful to consider. The company is featured on the cover of a magazine.
Stage 8 - The Second Guess. The stock bounces and starts to go back up. The wannabe Pro averages down while the Average Investor gets back to advising friends of his stock picking acumen. Pros sell their remaining holdings and begin to look for another deal to play, or perhaps start short selling the stock.
Stage 9 - Out of Gas. The bounce is a fake out, and the stock moves lower again. The public own this stock, and they have no more power to buy. The Pro are making money on the short sales now, but are despised by the masses. Calls for short selling to be made illegal are made by the Average Investor, after all, the short sellers are the demons causing the sell off.
Stage 10 - Dead Cat Bounce. The Average Investor and the wannabe Pro have no pain tolerance left, and finally sell for a big loss. The short selling Pros are the only buyers to take the share off their hands, and provide the needed liquidity. The stock bounces, and some short term traders make a quick profit. The Average Investor either swears to never buy a stock again, or tells lively stories over drinks about the one that could have been.
Stage 11 - Post Mortem. Pros have forgot about the stock and are considering carpet samples for their new home in Florida. Average Investor continues to follow the company and buys loads of cheap stock to try and overcome the regrettable loss.


The stock market is mean. You can be a good analyst, but if you can't overcome the psychological traps of trading, you will do what the crowd does. To be successful, you have be one step ahead of the crowd, and trade with unemotional discipline. There are strategies to take advantage of each stage of the market cycle that can be applied just by looking at a stock chart. They just require a bit of knowledge.


EVERYDAY FOR THE 30 DAYS READ THIS 10 TIMES A DAY.
ASK YOURSELF 10 TIMES A DAY "WHAT KIND OF TRADER AM I GOING TO BE??"
AM I GOING TO BE A CRYING WHINNING LITTLE BITCH OR AM I GOING TO SHAKE IT OFF??
AM I GOING TO BUY TO HIGH BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ A CHART OR AM I GOING TO F-ING LEARN HOW TO READ A CHART??
AM I GOING TO BE THE ENTERTAINMENT FOR THIS BOARD OR AM I GOING TO GO THE LIBRARY AND CHECK OUT ALL THE BOOKS THAT I CAN READ ON DAY TRADING AND INVESTING AND STOCK CHARTING.
AM I GOING TO LEARN HOW TO DO MY OWN DUE DILLIGENCE OR AM I GOING TO BUY ON THE RECOMENDATION OF PEOPLE FROM THIS BOARD??(IT IS PRETTY OBVIOUS THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED )THEY WERE GREAT RECOMENDATIONS BUT YOU WERE ABOUT 5 STEPS BEHIND. IT LOOKS LIKE BY THE TIME YOU WERE BUYING EVERYONE ELSE WAS SELLING.
AM I GOING TO TAKE THIS LAYING DOWN OR AM I GOING TO GET MY G--D D--M MONEY BACK.
NO ONE HERE CAN MAKE THOSE CHOICES FOR YOU!!
MAY SEEM LIKE I AM BEING A COLD HEARTED BITCH BUT THIS THE REAL WORLD BABY.
THE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS RIGHT THIS MINUTE IS..AM I GOING LEARN ON THE FLY OR AM I GOING TO BACK IT UP AND LEARN ABOUT WHAT THE F--K I AM DOING??
YOU DOVE IN HEAD FIRST NOW YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO SWIM.
IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO LEARN HOW TO SWIM--BAIL AND TAKE YOUR LOSS. DAY TRADING IS TIME CONSUMING. I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD SPEND 5 TO 10 HOURS A DAY RESEARCHING-CHARTING-READING SEC FILINGS-GOING OVER FINANCIALS--READING NEWS RELEASES--COMMUNICATING WITH OTHER TRADERS ON STRATAGIES--THEN FINALLY BUYING--THEN THE SAME PROCESS BEGINS FOR THE EXIT.
IT MAY NOT SEEM LIKE IT RIGHT NOW BUT I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU. AS WILL OTHERS ON THE BOARD. SUGAR COATING THE FACTS WILL NOT HELP YOU. YOU NEED A GOOD DOSE OF REALITY AND I JUST GAVE IT TO YOU!! IE REALITY INCORPORATED....
THE ONLY CONSOLATION THAT I CAN GIVE YOU IS: I HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES. AFTER OVER 20 YEARS OF DEALING WITH THE MARKET I STILL WAS NOT PREPARED FOR THE DEPTH OF DAY TRADING. I LEARN NEW THINGS EVERYDAY AND MAKE MISTAKES EVERYDAY. AFTER 4 YEARS OF MAKING AT LEAST 5 TRADES A DAY I AM A NEWBIE JUST LIKE YOU. IT IS A PROCESS.
WELCOME TO DAY TRADING AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR CHOICES.


REALITY INCORPORATED


ESTABLISH A SET OF TRADING RULES THAT WORK FOR YOU. THESE ARE MY RULES. YOU HAVE A ADAPT YOUR OWN. MAYBE THIS WILL GIVE YOU SOME GUIDELINES TO GO BY.


MY PENNY STOCK RULES:

1. I never buy on impulse or get emotionally attached to a penny stock--think LOGIC--I buy it, I sell it, I make money and I rarely look back.
2. I never buy a stock JUST because I like it or worse someone else likes it.
3. I rarely buy a micro penny stock trading under a volume of 50,000 mil--80 to 100 mil is better (always remember there has to be buyer for every stock you buy)..
4. I rarely hold a micro penny stock over night...My definition of micro penny is under .10 cents ..Rarely over a weekend..NOTICE I SAID RARELY. THERE ARE SOME STOCKS THAT HAVE A BUILD UP AND IF THE VOLUME IS GOOD AND I FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT MY DD I WILL HOLD IT FOR THE RUN. At $7.00 to $10.00 a trade I can buy and sell it every day on news or hype or earning whatever. .(THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED DAYTRADING)
5. I never buy a penny stock on the way up. IE CHASING I watch the pre market trading and set a buy price and a sell price and stick to it (missed out on NEOM by sticking to my rules--I noticed it at .11 and refused to buy to high) UPSIDE IS I DO NOT HOLD 500,000 SHARES OF NEOM AT.43 CENTS---DOWNSIDE I DID NOT MAKE 50,000 DOLLARS. I DID MAKE A COUPLE OF GRAND BY PLAYING THE GAP AFTER THE RUN. IF YOU MISS THE RUN PLAY THE GAP. LIKE THE MAN SAID--THERE IS ANOTHER STOCK JUST WAITING TO BE BOUGHT.
6. I never think about GETTING RICH OR RETIRING on penny stocks..My goal is to make $200.00 a day and not lose my original investment. Most often I exceed my goal. (When I lose money it is usually because I have not followed my own rules)
7. I never ride a stock down--I will sell it and re-buy it. EXAMPLE: BOUGHT CTKH AT .002 AND .0022. SOLD HALF AT .0046. SOLD HALF OF THAT HALF AT .0069. IT STARTED GOING DOWN AND I BAILED OUT AT .006. BOUGHT AGAIN TODAY AT .0032. LOGIC-DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE MUTUAL FUND MANAGERS WOULD HAVE HELD ONTO IBM IF IT DROPPED 50%?????--(WELL SOME WOULD) LOL I THINK NOT..RIDING A STOCK DOWN IS LIKE THROWING 50% OF YOUR MONEY OUT OF A CAR WINDOW AT 75 MILES AN HOUR AND HOPING IT FLIES BACK TO YOU. OR BETTER YET "IF YOU LOVE IT LET IT GO--IF IT LOVES YOU IT WILL COME BACK TO YOU". THATS BULL****--IF IT LOVED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE IT NEVER WOULD HAVE LEFT.....I have actually bought and sold the same stock 3 times in one day. ATNG WAS A RECENT 3 TIME BUY AND SELL. BOUGHT AND SOLD IBZT 3 TIMES ONE DAY. (not usually but it does happen).
8. I never insult or bash another fellow trader..I respect other people's trading methods. I LEARN FROM THEM. What the hell--It's not my money.....( It's not like they are setting on third base at a black jack table and take a hit on 15 and the dealer has a 6 showing and I have $500.00 dollars riding on that hand). I DO LISTEN AND LEARN AND BENIFIT FROM THEM.
9. I never trade with MONEY that I am not willing to lose.
10. I follow the market and market trends (not just the stocks)
11. I never buy a stock without reviewing, analyzing and understanding the charts. I learned how to read charts and believe in them...They do not lie..I MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THEY MAKE OR PRODUCE OR SELL WHEN I BUY IT BUT I DO REVIEW THE CHARTS ON THE FLY AND PUT IN A BUY ORDER FOR SMALL AMOUNT TO GET IN THE DOOR. MOST TRADERS KNOW WHEN A RUN IS COMING AND HAVE ALREADY DONE THE DUE.
12. I never get gambling and investing confused. I INVEST IN REAL ESTATE...MY BUSINESS...SMALL,MEDIUM AND LARGE CAP STOCKS WITH A HISTORY-MANAGEMENT TEAM-FINANCIALS--ASSETS--CASH--ETC..30YEARS+ GROWTH AND INCOME MUTUAL FUNDS WITH 12% OVERALL GAIN IN GOOD AND BAD TIMES (THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS AND THAT IS THEIR JOB). I GAMBLE WITH PENNIES.. MY DEFINITION OF PENNIES IS ANYTHING UNDER $5.00.
13. I always take 50% of earning from each week and e-transfer into INTEREST BEARING TAX account. THEN I LEARNED HOW TO INVEST THAT MONEY IN REAL ESTATE TO MINIMIZE TAXES. INCORPORATE, PROTECT AND SHELTER.
14. I ALWAYS TAKE MY ORIGINAL INVESTMENT OUT OF THE EQUATION WHEN IT IS FEASIBLE TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY ON THE TRADE TO MAKE IT WORTHWHILE .IE..WHEN THE STOCK IS ON A RUN UP SELL PORTIONS AT AT TIME TO RECOUP ORIGINAL INVESTMENT. IF IT IS A STOCK I PLAN TO KEEP LIKE TFSM--I BOUGHT AT 1.06. AT 2.12 I WILL SELL HALF AND RECOUP INVESTMENT AND KEEP 5000 SHARES FOR FREE. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE THIS WEEK.
15. I ALWAYS HAVE FUN......ACTUALLY I HAVE A BLAST....
16. I LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY...
17. I CAN'T SPELL, TYPE WELL OR USE PROPER GRAMMAR--AND I SWEAR LIKE A SAILOR..BUT IF YOU PUT A DOLLAR SIGN IN FRONT OF IT---I WILL FIGURE IT OUT.......THAT CERTAINLY DOES NOT MAKE ME STUPID..IT MAKES ME SMART BY RECOGNIZING MY LIMITATIONS. LEARN YOURS.
18. I ALWAYS MAKE MY OWN DECISIONS AND TAKE ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY ACTIONS.
19. I LAUGH EVERYDAY..MOSTLY AT MYSELF AND SOMETIMES AT OTHERS...
20. LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT--THE MARKET HAS A RHYTHM--EACH STOCK HAS A RHYTHM--LIKE GREAT SEX--A RHYTHM..FIGURE OUT YOUR OWN RHYTHM WITH THE MARKET AND DUE YOUR OWN D.D.. LEARN THE RYTHEM OF THE CHARTS. IT IS CALLED "HARD WORK". THE REST WILL FOLLOW. TAKE THE TIME TO PASS ON YOUR GOOD FORTUNE TO OTHERS. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND AND YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.


And From dardadog! The master of getting it done FAST! WOOF dog!

There seems to be a large amount of "newer" inexperienced traders here on Allstocks these days. Glad to see so many new, and what appears to be, younger traders out there. I wish I had been smart enough in my late teens and early twenties to invest in my future. I don't consider myself "old" at 43, but when I was that age I considered my future to be next week rather than next decade.
On to the point here. Many of the investors here follow my "flyin fast" leads and do in deed make good quick returns on their investments. But I want to bring attention to a very important rule that I'm afraid many may be overlooking. Particularly in the case of "QBID". The rule I am refering to is "Cover Thy Ass". It's fun (and profitable) to latch onto a microcap that takes off like a rocket. But gains on "paper" don't impress the finance officer, and they don't pay off or save for college tuitions. Microcaps are just that for a reason. Something in the companies past has dictated that they are worthless. When they stir, everyone aware becomes excited and begins accumulating shares with the "Beverly Hillbilly's" theme song stuck in their head. Dreamin' and making extravagant shopping lists, walking around with a stupid grin on their face, thinkin' EZ street is the next block up from here. "Danger Will Robinson - Danger"!!!!! Guys.....if it were really this easy, nobody on the planet would work!!!
I make this point, and hope many take to heart, because paper gains are just that..."paper". You see how fast the portfolio can increase on one of these wild rides, but believe me, it can shrink faster. The smart investor always, and I mean ALWAYS, keeps this first and foremost in mind. Front And Center. While these microcaps are great to play, a smart investor will always "Play Free". Pick a price at which the stock reaches where you can sell partial holdings and keep a block of shares for free. You then have your initial capital back to re-invest in "new" up and comers, and if the free gem you are riding tanks, you can still get some use out of the shares you own for free. .0001 Certs can be used in place of Charmin next time you are at the grocery store. Chafes a bit, but not as much as it does if your ass is raw from the ol' back door screwin' you just took by having your whole wallet tied up on the dream. I want all to really think about this. More people in the penny game have had this experience become a realization, than have had the "Beverly Hillbilly's" dream come true, I assure you. Just remember, although this seems like a game, the only real game in life belongs to Milton Bradley. Good Luck out there.
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Thanks [Smile]
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Great stuff for us newbies Penny Pincher. I appreciate the help!
Thanks

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You Betcha!

and  -

Help the noobies get good so we can sit back and play their picks. LMAO!

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I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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Thank you
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you're da MAN pennypincher! i think the saying goes something like this....

give a poor man a fish, feed him for a day. teach a poor man to fish, feed him for life [Smile]

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wow thanks buddy! i'm gonna go re-read that a couple times...
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quote:
Originally posted by narbeh:
you're da MAN pennypincher! i think the saying goes something like this....

give a poor man a fish, feed him for a day. teach a poor man to fish, feed him for life [Smile]

...ummm....WO-MAN is more like it
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i meant no gender by it actually. it's just a phrase... LILPENNY, didn't mean any offense by it. thanks for the thread

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It's all good. Now go do your homework so I can stop working and play your PICKS!

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I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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You da BOMB DIGGITY girlfriend...makes everyones life a little easier.
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Great job...LIL

Sure do miss Diana!!!!!!!

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Awesome stuff Penny Pincher

Thanks for reducing the learning curve and saving me some cash

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BTW old bag...it's NEWBIE's not NOOBIES...

got the boobies on your mind?

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listen up youngster........Keep your little B's under control and give these *Newbies* some good $hit to read!

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Dont LOSE more than you can afford to invest....LOL

I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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Hi sunny darlin.........

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I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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Noobies?? I only read this post cause I though it said Boobies.

J/K

I really like the insight offered especially from Diana!

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LIL! Great Post.

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Wow...thought I was getting the hang of this after half a year, but after reading your post Lil, I realize I've got a lot more work to do. I really appreciate your willingness to offer up such valuable information.

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Lil, great refresher for us "oldies" also.

Thanks for the post [Wink]

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Thanks- I feel like you threw a lifevest to my drowning a$$. You're also pretty, I'll just leave it at that.
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Thaks a bunch for the info I've just gotten started here and have been asking several folks for sources of info to get educated. This is by far the most I've seen and is greatly appreciated
Thanks again.. Retired USN Newbie

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was looking for that DD list the other night...

will add to the reference thread

thanks, sugar pie!

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Adventures in microcapitalism...

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you bet, *cuddles*


Awh.......and thanks jon clogger

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great insight thanks for the time taken

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Now just get out there and picks some winnera we old timers can sit back. I'm TIRED! LMAO!

I love the excitement of newbies!

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I'm buying low and selling into the run...

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Thanks for the info...my first post [Big Grin]
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Thx - great reads - pls stalk us with more !!!!
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That was a great compilation. Thank you very much.
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Lil,

That was an amazing post! It seems you are in great spirits again (collective sigh of relief). I wish I had read a post like your when I first tried to venture into penny land. I got burned several times in the past, and has taken me over a year to finally learn a thing or two about pennies.

I am still a relative newbie when it comes to pennies, but I have read thousands of posts, read hundreds of articles, and written hundreds of posts to try to learn the nuances of trading.

As a semi-newbie myself, I can't thank you Lil for all your insights! If I ever do relatively well, and make a little bank over the next couple of years, I might just have to buy myself a fishing boat and call her the "SS lilpennypincher" in your honor!

I thank you personally Lil, and a collective thank you from all newbies in stockland that have just read one of the best posts I have ever read!

Have a great day Lil, and happy trading!

Shark

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Thanks goes to Ric, Diana, and Dog!

Just putting it all together for ya'!

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Thanks Ric, Diana and Dog for putting it all together!

A very grateful,
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Nice. Tx. [Smile]

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Lil,

Do you believe that the stages of a stock, accumulation, distribution, etc., apply to pennies? I seem to only find the pennies that have no volume then sky rocket for no reason. I find them after they sky rocket. Oiy.

Sounds to me like those stages refer to momentum plays. I'm still learning on how to find those. Matt

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I do actually...
Matt a stock is not going to sky rocket for no reason.
It's going to be either news coming etc. but DEFINATELY NEEDS VOLUME.

I like to dig for the bottoms and put them all on Radar and look for the volume to come in.

Found IDVL like that on friday, I've had it on my watch for so long and saw a little increase on Friday and then Yesterday was picking up more and more until it really started to move in the late afternoon.
You have to watch for the volume.

Nice to see you Matt!

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