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pdete
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Please excuse my question. This is the 1st time I am opening an account(lowtrade)
After sending in the paper how long should it take for the acct. to be open ? & Do I need to send a check to open the acct. or do I make a trade 1st then send the amt. due at settlement?

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You have to wire or send in a check or money order (Not sure Lowtrade accepts money orders though). I have heard it takes Lowtrades 6 or 7 days for them to clear a check. With most brokers wire is next day. My account is at Tradingdirect. I have heard Lowtrades is good but lately have heard some complaints, I dont know if they are justified. Trading good one to start with and trades up to 1 mill. shares are 9.95.
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Thanks for the thread Pdete, I'm in the same boat. I have the paperwork filled out for Lowtrades (ready to send in my check) but, now seeing BigT1's response I'm questioning whether or not Lowtrades is the right choice. BigT (or anyone else), can you elaborate on the complaints you've heard about Lowtrades and what you're unhappy about with Tradingdirect (if anything). The cost is $5 (Lowtrades) and $9.95 (Tradingdirect), so in that respect it seems that Lowtrades is the best, but not if the response time to trades is slow. Any advice or opinions would be greatly appreciated as I, like Pdete am getting ready to get my feet wet in this penny stock thing. Sure seems like you guys are having a lot of fun.

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Hi, Tradingdirect is in my opinion one of best penny stock brokers with no minimum. Drawbacks are pretty irrelevent to beginners and are only important to busy daytraders, which you dont have to worry about until you get account up to $25000 and if you decide to daytrade (only one third of daytraders make money I read the other day so may not be best way to go). They are only use one MM which is NITE and NITE doesnt show our bids on boards.

Go to grerard3's thread on 'new looking to open an account' and it talks about it (LT)some. I will have to look up where read negatives on lowtrades but read them in last week after posting a recommendation of both TD and Lowtrades.

I dont thing you will go wrong with TD if opening account with low amount of money and I dont hesitate to start any rookie there if if have several thousand to open with. Again just my opinion.

If you open account with Money order (usually can buy one for .99 if look around at some drug and convenience stores.)they credit it to account day after receiving it, which is much better than check. Wires received before noon credited next day.


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Also for some info that might answer more of your questions, check out Keronpa's 'my budget is $500 only' thread.
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Posted this on another thread but thought it might be helpful.

I am with Trading Direct $9.95 per trade no minimum to open account) and often trade same stock same day. To not be caught up by daytrading rules you must follow certain basic rules.
A trade is a daytrade if: you buy and then sell the same stock or if you sell,buy and then sell same stock. You may sell and then buy without it being a daytrade.

If you have more than three daytrades in a five day period and you do not have daytrade account. Your account will be frozen for I believe 60 days, so is a serious matter.

With only $600 to start you will be opening a Cash Account (These rules are set up by boards and SEC so is true whichever broker you use). This is fine and in my opinion the best way to start. When your equity or cash position is maintained higher then $2000 you may open a margin Account. This allows you to 'borrow' from your broker amongst other things. They tell me it also relaxes somewhat the daytrading 3 of 5 days rules. To actually daytrade you must maintaing $25000 in your account and have a margin account. I currently am well over $25k but still am using cash account.

I simply try to not buy and sell same stock same day very often, and it has worked alright so far.

As far as what type of stock to buy you need to develop your own style. Obviously try to minimize your risk while picking stock that has a good upside.

My advice to anyone getting into the stockmarket is buy and READ (At least once and over time several times) Peter Lynch's book 'One up on Wallstreet'. It will set you on your way to understanding the market and if take principles to heart, it will help you immensly in any type trading you do.

I trade penny stock and look for those that tend to be seriously undervalued. With shares that sell under .05 that is often very hard to tell. In Lynch's book he says 'if you are right 50% of time you can do very well in stock market', and the same is true in Pennys. It only takes two or three big winners a year to make the year if you are only making a small profit through rest of your stock. Learn to do your own research while taking advantage of others as well.

Message Boards are dangerous and to be avoided if you cant filter the 90% junk and fluff and pumping from the good stuff. I never looked at a message board for first ten months and I think that helped me immensly.

Stock for you to look into that I believe may have good future success is; ERHC - closed today at .59 and up about 50% for week. Special circumstances oil stock. By far my biggest holding at this time. I am very confident this is a good one. You have to look beyond the financials to see its value. Research present and past news for last year. CDED - company in beginning stages but prospects look good. CIRT - I like a lot. Should be profitable in next quarter or two. Thats enough for now.

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Still like CDED and CIRT especially if either goes under .06, although like CIRT slightly better. ERHC had a rough Friday moving down to .80 from .89 but expecting it to come on strong next couple weeks perhaps doubling or tripling. I also rate it a strong buy longterm and 5 years from now it could be $10 or $20 stock but it will hit some bumps so is (like all pennystock) somewhat risky.

Remember always do your own DD before buying stock, and learning should lead to earning if pick right teachers. Lynch is one of the best.


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pdete,

I posted this on another board. Take a look. I believe that it was mentioned to go and look.

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I have a low trades account and here is what I have found.
1. I have traded over 100,000 shares at a time. No limit.
2. They do have something on their site regarding a percentage above the $5 trade if you trade over 1 mil (I believe)
3. They tend to be a little slow with the trades. You need to plan good.
4. If you buy today and sell today, $ will not be available until next day.
5. If you buy today and sell tomorrow, $ is available the same day.
6. You can't do market orders on large volume sales. Must be limit.
7. I have had problems with stop limits.
8. Haven't wire transfer any $ yet, but a check takes 6 days after they receive it to clear.
9. OK site for people just starting out or with a lack of funds.
10. The ticker you get is a few min. behind.
11. They sometimes will not allow you to buy at half increments. i.e 0.01 --> not 0.015, and sometimes you have to put in a buy or sell for full cents. You can not go anywhere past 2 digits beyond the decimal.

Hope this helps and good luck,

Jimbo



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Machiavelli
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ok now i know about Lowtrades.com.. anyone have anything on choicetrade.com? .. and Big T i like your posts but i read Lynch's book years ago and that book is more geared towards "investors" and not "traders" ... i mean one of the things Lynch says in his book is to look around your neighborhood at company's that seem to be expanding or doing good and research there stock... like i said its more for long term investing then trading... but if anyone on this board wants to have a "side account" for retirement etc.. i would highly recommend Lynch's book.. after all he was the top fund manager at fidelity at one time and was or is worth around $400 Million so i read in another book.. but that worth is strictly on "paper" since he is a long term investor and not short term trader.. for short term i would recommend A Beginner's Guide to Short-Term Trading by Toni Turner... you can buy it at any bookstore or online sites like amazon.com or i think on Toni's site.. www.toniturner.com .. hope this helps...
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Machiavelli your right it is for investers. And yes some adaptation for use to pennys is needed but the basic concepts work very well for pennystocks. Lynch often traded 300% of his funds portfolio in a year sometimes more and this while he held hundreds and even thousands of different companies. He was not a buy and hold guy, but a buy and watch.

Anyway enjoy many of your posts, and if you disagree on Lynch with me we can do it agreeable. I did find he helped me a lot though, and all I have traded is pennystock.

By the way from reading your posts it seems Mach that you mainly do technical research and chartreading. Is that true? I am fundimentals first then get into charts and technical some. How long have you been at it and how has the heavy emphasis on technical worked for you? Just curious.


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Jimbo that not being able to go past whole cents if that is on OTCBB and pink stocks would be enough for me not to open an account there. That is biggest reason I dont advise people who intend to trade in low pennys and micro pennys to use Firstrade, as otherwise they are a pretty good broker. Made a huge difference when went to TD and able to bid .0215 or whatever there.

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Hi Big T,
Oh i dont totally disagree with you on Lynch.. i loved his book when i had it.. lent it to a ex friend of mine and never got it back.. will probably buy another copy one of these days... i just thought he is more for investors then Traders.. i often wonder if Lynch could do just as good at Trading then Investing... <shrugs> ... I use to worship him when i took a Introduction to business course in college.. thats where i first read about him and decided to get his book.. he was da man before everyone started to jump on the Warren Buffet bandwagon...
As for me.. I bombed in the Tech bubble that burst in the late 90's.. my account had doubled but then the party was over as they say and i lost everything lol ... i was not very much educated in investing/trading stocks as i should have been and did what alot of people on this board do.. buying on "tips" etc.. one of the stinkers i bought at that time was Egghead.com.. lost everything with them when they went bankrupt.. so i promise myself this time i will take it slow and educate myself as fully as i can about Trading & not repeat my mistakes that i did in the late 90's... yeah I'm more of a TA (thats Technical analysis people geez!! lol ) man then FA person.. but to tell you the truth i'm not trading yet per say with real money yet.. im papertrading as i learn from the books i read.. if you've read any of Toni's books she emphasizes candlestick charting.. so thats what I been concentrating on.. and so far i been fairly successful at predicting price moves with Qbid using the candlestick method.. but nothing is 100% sure so eventually i will be wrong.. i'm still looking into where to open a account.. so far it was lowtrades,choicetrade or tradingdirect.. but i been hearing not so good things for each that i dont know which one to start off with .. but then again i been hearing bad things for all brokerages including ameritrade,scottrade,rushtrade etc.. will be a difficult decision.. your with tradingdirect no? .. whats the main things with them.. low minimum? etc... let me know.. thanks...

[This message has been edited by Machiavelli (edited April 26, 2004).]


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Mach I think you will find every broker has their detracters and problems. If you plan on getting into small pennys and micropennies and you have the 2 grand to open account with probably go with Ameritrade. Scottrade from every thing I have heard is great company UNLESS trading stock under $1 especially OTCBB or pinks.

I was so frustrated today with TD that I promised myself I was switching brokers. After I cooled off a friend reminded me they are a pretty good broker and much better than most of others for low penny stock. Once again decided not to switch but SOMEDAY will open a second account at Ameritrade just to see if they are better.

What happened is had a limit buy order in and price moving up and took over 5 minutes to cancel and repost with higher price. Meantime price increased six cents. This is typical of what happens OCCASIONALLY with TD and why I say they are not good for daytraders. For most others they are fine.


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Oh and TD has no minimum, and can trade million at a time now. That is a huge plus over many for pennys including Lowtrades 100k at a time. As you can tell although I get frustrated once in a while, I still do not hesitate to recommend them.

My background is studied stock by reading etc for a couple of years then got in in Feb 2003. I was fortunate to do alright overall and hit HLSH for 9 bagger (could have been 20 bagger if I had held on to it), so ended year at $25000 after putting in $4000 during year. I am value oriented and tend to hold short to medium term rather than just hold or daytrade.

This year up 25% first quarter. Started to move everything into ERHC in March and fully invested in it by first part of April. Account tripled in April when ERHC hit high of .95 (average buyin under .34) but in last week dropped by almost a third.

Being totally in one stock is a good way to get ulcers or lose your shirt, and I knew this going in. Since I am totally convinced this is great stock, so went against my principles and fully invested. CHILDREN, DONT DO THIS AT HOME! Seriously almost never a smart move but am committed to it for the short term but as quickly I can make good profit (Still think it will be over $1 in 2 to 3 weeks) will sell at least 50% and diversify.

Anyway hope you do well and let me know in a year or so how the tech approach works for you with real money.

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