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I've been slapping the ask all day!!! I'm on the bid again....these EOD whackers are such a friggin joke. Come on you morons, keep dumping.
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wtf...0007 close...wait until the last second to sell. These fawkin MM's. Oh well, nice day overall! Let's see what tomorrow brings!!
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MM's probably trying to pick up some seller shares for tomorrow imo. Overall nice day! Bring on tomorrow!
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Posted by: VOIP-INTERFACE In reply to: None Date:7/16/2007 11:43:18 PM Post #of 10059
*****Update on Edgar***** Frank/Appletree mentioned it was mailed out last week to Edgar/SEC for the 8k new mgnt. I know its not uploaded yet but he wanted to get it out right away so he mailed it. I was told when Mark left (and since he's an azz imo) he didn't or hasn't given Frank/Appletree the codes for Edgar to upload it. Therefore today Frank was working on it with the SEC today and he had to file the ownership or copy of transfer for him to apply for new codes along with getting it motorized today(what a biatch cause of Mark).
Frank/Appletree Capital should have the new codes for Edgar and be able to file the 8k's and 14c later this week I'm guessing. They also mentioned they would be bringing the company back to par or up to date this being a pain in the azz imo 10k's 10q's(but he's well aware its better to be reporting-more value).
I myself am trying to stay on top of this play 100% as I am willing to let Frank/Appletree turn this around for the better. It seems as though Mark really needs to be dealt with and have a reality check. I'd like to consider this a headache for Frank/Appletree right now and sure they have plans on something. I don't care who buys or sells as we all hit the buy or sell button on our on. Question is do you point the finger at others for doing so? I never do I take it on the chin or I book a winner either or I'm here to play the game.
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whats with all the trades BELOW the bid??? looks like a massive DUMP!!! 218 million in the first hour! pre split sell off???
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pos is back up to 0007. lets see how long this latest pump works before it falls back down. rumor of news today but who knows anymore.
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Update on Winsted Holdings Changes Jul 17, 2007 1:09:00 PM Copyright Business Wire 2007
NORTHFIELD, Ill.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
Winsted Holdings, Inc. (Pink Sheets:WNSH) updates the market on future plans.
President and CEO Francis Manzo stated, "On taking over management of Winsted we believe the Company because of its shareholder base has excellent opportunities to become an 'incubator' for businesses seeking to expand in the public venue. Winsted plans to engage in business of consulting and assisting solid private companies into the public market. The company is in the process of reviewing reverse merger candidates and business entities interested in pursuing becoming a public company.
"Our agreement with the former CEO Mark Ellis was to transfer 90% control of the firm to Appletree BDC, Inc. We find that Mr. Ellis misrepresented the situation in the transfer and control agreement. We are still optimistic that we can turnaround a stagnant situation and create shareholder value through innovative strategies.
"What we know at the present time is that there are 3,620,241,722 common shares issued and outstanding. We are currently in the process of re-establishing the Company's book and records, and making arrangements with accountants and attorneys to assist in bringing the Company into compliance with regulatory requirements.
"For our shareholder concerns, there is no consideration at this time to do a reverse split. We are considering ways to maximize returns for our shareholders including, but not limited to, stock buy backs and spin-offs of holdings that we acquire."
"Safe Harbor" Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995:
This release includes forward-looking statements intended to qualify for the safe harbor from liability established by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally can be identified by phrases such as WNSH or its management "believes," "expects," "anticipates," "foresees," "forecasts," "estimates" or other words or phrases of similar import. Similarly, statements in this release that describe the Company's business strategy, outlook, objectives, plans, intentions or goals also are forward-looking statements. All such forward-looking statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in forward-looking statements.
Source: Winsted Holdings, Inc.
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Appletree Capital Ltd. Northfield IL Francis P. Manzo III President 847-441-1822 http://www.winstedholdings.com/ info*appletreecapital.com
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It's all in the timing... Posts: 4303 | From: DSA | Registered: Dec 2003
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****DD for Newbies**** Real company behind the scenes and in control of the New WNSH. For any new followers here-> Posted by: VOIP-INTERFACE In reply to: soupoftheday who wrote msg# 7631 Date:7/14/2007 1:05:10 PM Post #of 9141
*****Appletree Capital takes over? Mark Ellis is out. More news forthcoming. Using this as a vehicle to launch companies into the public market. From the looks Appletree has launched 2 new funds worth 125,000,000.00 wonder what will launch here in WNSH. ------------------------------------------------------- MAXM Market Maker always showing 500,000 size on bid=Appletree/Frank???????? ------------------------------------------------------- ****Regardless the true float or o/s here I will publicly say I expect Appletree/Frank to retire and or buy back shares. Either or his objective is to get the pps higher and at a more attractable price for larger candidates. My gut feeling is to many people will react to quick as to what happens here day to day instead of looking at the big picture here-> WINSTED-APPLETREE-ZHEMIAN ------------------------------------------------------- *****(Easy breakdown of WNSH) Winsted Holdings=Appletree Capital=Zhemian Ventures=Big money=Plays in our Favor*****
Very easy to see we have a diamond here at these levels now that Appletree Capital is in control and bought the block. Not the type of company (in the industry their in) they'll hurt their own name and or burn their reputation or clients (especially in a measly pink) cause this is all their known for is deals, ventures, mergers, acquisitions, money managing, banking, asset managing, etc.
Just something above, I wanted to point out do to the fact that they are a Chicago-based private equity, venture capital and merchant banking group that has to carry their name and show performance. After all this is just a measly small pink and I highly doubt they'd put their azz on th line to burn us when their involved in 2 deals worth 125 million dollars right now. ---------------------------------------------------------- URGENT READ NO R/S The SEC won't allow Frank to do a r/s cause of the previous filings and Mark. Plus they can't do 504's here either. ---------------------------------------------------------- **Heavy Hitters here. As the founder of Zhemian Ventures, LLC, Martin Allen Brown serves as the company’s managing member. He oversees the strategic planning, management and performance of all of Zhemian Ventures professional services. His responsibilities also include business development and establishing international acquisitions, affiliation and alliances. Mr. Brown oversees service delivery, international strategic development and operational management.
Prior to founding Zhemian Ventures, LLC in 2006, Mr. Brown served as managing attorney for Martin A. Brown, P.C. where his legal practice entailed providing legal advice and services in the areas of venture capital and private equity transactions, Bank Secrecy Act/Anti-Money Laundering and SEC/NASD compliance, transactional matters for both domestic and foreign corporations, as well as complex business and commercial litigation. From 2000-2002, Mr. Brown served as General Counsel for World Service Corporation—an international e-commerce business support company.
(In my opinion its safe to say Zhemian Ventures, LLC is pretty compliant having this guy above in charge. It also safe to assume they wouldn't be heavily involved in Appletree Capital if they weren't the real deal as well) -------------------------------------------------
Current Deals >>
Appletree Capital, Ltd.
Zhemian Ventures is currently assisting Appletree Capital, Ltd.-a Chicago-based private equity, venture capital and merchant banking group to raise $100 million for the Appletree Investors I, LP fund and $25 million for the Appleseed Ventures I, LLC fund.
These two VC funds will be used to make investments in early-stage and middle-stage companies in Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas, and Illinois (basically the mid U.S.)-a market that is relatively untapped by VC firms on the East and West coasts. Appletree Capital, Ltd. has a management team with several years of private equity experience between them and is committed to maximizing return and controlling risks for investors.
If you are interested in participating in either of these funds, wish to request a copy of the Private Placement Memorandum for each fund or have any questions regarding either fund, please send an email to: mbrown*zhemian.com.
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http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070717/20070717006039.html?.v=1 It was solid. Bottom line, we have 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding. That's better than the 4 billion shares that we thought we had confirmed. So, fundamentally, we are in a better position than before when value is placed into WNSH. I have broken down the PR into 4 different ways to interpret some solid thoughts for consideration. Please consider…
Thought 1 With the 90%, as a best case scenario, it leaves 10% remaining meaning 10% of the 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding leaving a float of 362,024,172 shares. This is the most simple of ways to consider though there are those who see such is up for debate due to the vague wording within the PR.
Or…
Thought 2 The company could was trying to say that they thought the float was 400 million shares at the time the deal was done which was why they thought that the OS was 4 billion shares. This would leave confusion as to why an earlier confirmed float of 400 million shares, represents the 10% or the remaining shares from a confirmed 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding. This means that the company was trying to tell us within that PR that the float is still unsure and officially confirmed, but it is better than the 400 million shares initially thought but is a disparity from what they have in writing.
Or…
Thought 3 Maybe the deal and paperwork was already done by accountants, lawyers, etc. already for the 90% of the control to be transferred from Mark Ellis to Appletree Capital. What if Mark Ellis was planning on transferring over those certain portion of the shares after the deal was done, but instead had sold a portion of that 90% of the shares because he needed the money? Then it would be exactly as what Art2Gecko in an earlier post in that… “he'll be needing to buy back any shares he sold.” Were these shares in the process to be given to the MMs to help them cover a certain position? The CEO appears to be sticking to the fact that Appletree Capital now has 90% of the OS.
Or…
Thought 4 Here, the thought is that although they are unsure of the true number for the actual float, it is at least the 90% that represents a 51% controlling interest in WNSH that they must apparently have of the 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding as a worse case scenario since they are clearly making key material decisions which will be confirmed once the 8K is filed. This means that the float could be no more than the remaining 49% of the 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding...
...the float is 49% x 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding...
...which equates to 1,773,918,443 shares for the float, but...
The WNSH share volume was as follows: Jul 06 = 3,647,142,697 shares Aug 06 = 1,861,122,727 shares Sep 06 = 33,331,299 shares Oct 06 = 1,005,680 shares Nov 06 = 67,916,995 shares Dec 06 = 29,068,900 shares Jan 07 = 22,915,500 shares Feb 07 = 918,605,739 shares Mar 07 = 1,268,947,947 shares April 07 = 1,886,534,465 shares May 07 = 832,056,893 shares Jun 07 = 199,653,766 shares Jul 07 = 2,941,813,261 shares
Total Shares Traded from Jan – Jul 07 = 13,710,115,869 Shares
From Jul 06 up until now here in Jul 07, WNSH had no bid most of the time and up until a day or two ago when the price hit .0009, the price never went as high as .0004 per share. This could lead only to the thought that most of that volume was generated because of WNSH shares being bought. I was also told this by the old CEO, Mark Ellis too although his reputation was not credible within the investing community. Researching the volume history proves that he was telling the truth about that.
Well I can tell you that I have been in WNSH for months and it traded those billions of shares when nobody was here talking about WNSH during such time when Mark had informed many that they were trying to buy back the entire float. I think these are the shares that Appletree Capital is trying to get back from Mark. Once Mark gives those shares to Appletree Capital, then the 90% ownership would fully be consummated. Again, most of those transactions were buys if I had to guess, but it’s the old management of WNSH that can account for those shares to either give them to the best bidder. I think this is probably why Mark Ellis was so willing to sell the shell so cheap to Appletree Capital to hurry up and get from under the scrutiny of the SEC while still maintaining indirect control since he held the float and some. If I had to guess, he probably sold a few shares.
Because of this, I think further clarification is definitely in order to be released. Even with this thought as a worse case scenario, we have some serious failures to delivers in WNSH to the tune of some billions. Even if you take the 51% controlling interest as the minimum of 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding, you have a total of 1,846,323,278 shares restricted and owned by the company.
This leaves the difference of 1,773,918,443 shares that have been in the float since Jul 06. I think it’s very fair to say that out of the 13,710,115,869 shares traded in WNSH from Jul 06 to Jul 07, half of those shares were logically at least buys. This equates to 6,855,057,934 shares bought in WNSH from such time. The most that could have been available as the float was the 1,773,918,443 shares. This leaves a disparity in shares of:
6,855,057,934 shares bought - 1,773,918,443 shares available to buy (float) = 5,081,139,491 shares naked shorted
This means that WNSH have 5,081,139,491 shares naked shorted that have failed to be delivered. This could be huge. The above are some thoughts that I saw from reading the recent PR. I will continue later with this discussion to talk more in detail about the 5,081,139,491 Failure To Deliver (FTD) naked shorted shares and the magnitude of what this should mean.
As for maybe what Mark has to cover if he really sold those shares (I’m hoping he is holding them somewhere in an account to simply transfer them over to Appletree), he needs to buy back not the complete minimum 5,081,139,491 shares naked shorted, but rather the worse case scenario float of .49% of the 3,620,241,722 shares issued and outstanding which equates to 1,773,918,443 shares minus what represents the float from the deal of Appletree Capital owning 90% of OS having 10% being the 362,024,172 shares. The difference is Mark needing to buy back the amount below:
Either way, somebody is going to have to cover as the accountability for shares would be a major issue the longer this waits out. (If this is the case.)
Please re-read the above thoughts and share your input as I am too tired to proofread this, but I think it stimulates some considerations that might have been ignored. The FTDs are something huge that is a must for discussion since WNSH could very have over 5 billion shares that need to be covered. This could have been something in the works months ago from researching the volume history and how it looks like they caught the Market Makers (MMs) off guard.
v/r Sterling
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i dont understand what all that means,what i like to know is anyone getting in at .0004 and then selling at .0005?
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