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Doing well thanks Bond...How are things with you? Are you in this play? What a learning process for new folks...This was and is a money maker still...PLNI is getting ready soon also so am gearing up for that one to wake up this month...Are you watching that still? Take care buddy...
quote:Originally posted by bond006: How are you bear I haven't seen you in a while I hope all is well
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Ok Bear I always keep an eye on plni there is a soft spot in my heart for that stock yes I am here to got in in the begining got greedy and did not flip now I am riding
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You got in at the beginning...hahahahaha...You must have needed oxygen or some Jack Daniels to get you through that ride...What a blast off...I'm riding with you...see you in the A.M.
quote:Originally posted by bond006: Ok Bear I always keep an eye on plni there is a soft spot in my heart for that stock yes I am here to got in in the begining got greedy and did not flip now I am riding
Posted by: Mr Pennypacker In reply to: None Date:7/11/2006 7:04:07 PM Post #of 23484
When I get discouraged I ask myself…
Why would President Obasanjo even bother launching Nicosan or dealing XKEM if he thought that this treatment wouldn’t help his people or that the sickle cell sufferers of the world didn’t need it?
Would it be reasonable for me to assume that Obasanjo would do everything in his power (including using his diplomatic connections) to ensure the success of this effective treatment? After all he did personally launch Nicosan, right? Or was he just farting his time away and making empty promises on a public stage at that?
Now that the drug is officially launched (in Nigeria, by the President of Nigeria) do you think that it will not be provided to Nigerians? Doesn’t Nigeria have the largest concentration of sickle cell sufferers on the globe?
Do you believe that the Nigerian government does not want any part of the $150 mil in annual royalties? I wonder, would I not?
Maybe Obasanjo launch Nicosan nation wide with the sole intention of selling it to only the richest Nigerians? Will that small group of rich citizens will rake him in that $150mil on $20 monthly treatments of Nicosan alone?
Let’s start asking ourselves the right questions and stop dealing with speculation. We can read between the lines enough until it is eventually laid out for everyone to see. If we are true longs then we must stick to the fundamentals, period. When we play into rumor and speculation we give power to the short position as rumor and speculation are their fundamentals. If you are short sellers and you are making money off of XKEM then more power to you. Every dog will have its day. (long or short)
IMO we will most likely see more drops without revs that will lead to more panic sells and regretfully yes, more red in our portfolios. I just believe that there is ripe market out there for XKEM just over them “ASK” hills.
Note: I did NOT gear this to persuade you to buy, sell or hold. Frankly, I could care less about what any of youz does with your hard earned money. This was written for those who think of, or have had thoughts similar to mine.
quote:Originally posted by bond006: A big part of the what happened in my opinion is that the high of .11 the news of approval was already built into that price so many people said that they were selling into the news and they did. That has caused a lot of this frenzy and after a while it feeds on itself until it runs its course
Bond, I don't know your experience level, I am a newB but...OK, in your experience, after it runs it's course, what is the probable scenario?
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: Bond? Redwinger? You guys *are* kidding, right?
Tex... Everyone has there opinions...and thoughts..and that's what they expressed...their opinions and thoughts... Everyone should be wise to have their own...and not "act" on someone else's...right???!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: Bond? Redwinger? You guys *are* kidding, right?
Tex... Everyone has there opinions...and thoughts..and that's what they expressed...their opinions and thoughts... Everyone should be wise to have their own...and not "act" on someone else's...right???!!!!
you read the post?
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Excuse me I just got back from working out and sparing.
What I feel triggerd the down turn was all the buy volume that went into the stock at least 3 weeks before the launch and approval I think it pushed the ppe to .11 look at all the people that said they were selling into that before it happened. W4e had no run at the time of approval or launch what we had were sells and lots of them no this is healthy and I think its almost over before we start to go up again or you can believe in dilution . but today just the oppisite happen can you think of what the blood bath would have been if it wasn't for quinn buying like a mad amn. People that counted said he bought 125million shares today
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quote:Originally posted by leavenart: The thing that bothers me about this stock as a long position Eggs, is the fact that as an herbal medication there are less restrictions on the other companies developing a copy drug. Companies with existing functioning factory and plenty of money to produce. I would buy this stock again, but I also think you need to consider all the ramifications of tying your money up for a long time. Believe me I have been there myself. Good luck.
you make a good point leaven, that I did not consider......Hhmmm:
quote:"as an herbal medication there are less restrictions on the other companies developing a copy drug."
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LOL..yes Tex I did... Just trying to remind people to not go with the hype on these boards... Do your DD...and come up with your game plan... Be careful "believing" what you read...
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what happend in the end of the day is just another example of MM MANIPULATION THAT IT.
-------------------- making money now. to a big degree we know that right at the end quinn lowerd his bid price bought one more time and stopped now we will see what we do in the morning
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..yes Tex I did... Just trying to remind people to not go with the hype on these boards... Do your DD...and come up with your game plan... Be careful "believing" what you read...
the logical fallacy is that post is *glaring," lol
When I'm actually "on-thread" with something we're working? I *want" my "thread-mates" watching my back...
Instead, you got folks handin' out Kool-Aid....
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Tex what do you see that is so far fetched about that it is just an opinion you know as much as I do the smart money is already in before the avent. A big run most of the time happen before the news you had a lot of people leaking the news including the IR then we had pr's also. The fact is when the news came nobody cared and there was a massive sell off that I think is almost over. tomarrow will tell a lot dilution or my guess .I know that you think I am crazy you almost said so no body has to believe it and had I known it would have caused such an uproar I would have kept it to myself.
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: Another thing today was Acumulating like crazy and the trading pattern was positive. Wright at the end of the day Quinn backed off his bid and let it tank to .046 which means look for a gap down in the morning and if they don't play games a recovery in the afternoon. But this leaves one question open why is Quinn acumulating so heavy and it is obivious that he wants more tomarrow? Is there any thoughts on this. I am perplexed thinking of anything from good news or oparh
quote:"why is Quinn acumulating so heavy and it is obivious that he wants more tomarrow? Is there any thoughts on this."
IMHO the MM's know things that we do not, or the people instructing them certainly do. in the simplest terms- 'one accumulates because of perceived value'- I think?
the confirmed institutional buys on XKEM have been:
5-6% per day and month Institutional listed, as I've watched them.
there has been 'low coverage' the last few days, but the averages hold.
I have been told, by much more experienced traders here at AllStocks, that very few OTC and Pinks have Institutional investment. this has to be a good indicator. that there is 'long-term potential' when major brokerage firms which typically trades on behalf of major mutual funds/portfolio managers are steadily buying an OTC/Pink.
month avg.:
5% - Institutional 38%- Retail 57%- Non I-Watch
Things to look for:
-Institutional - A trade reported by a major brokerage firm which typically trades on behalf of major mutual funds/portfolio managers. While these firms also have retail branches, the amount of trades reported on behalf of institutional investors dwarfs the limited amount of retail trades that are reported. Additionally, institutional broker/dealers often maintain internal house trading accounts as "market makers." When these firms report their activity, it is impossible to determine whether the trades were executed on behalf of an institutional client or for the firm's own house trading accounts. While trading patterns for institutional clients and house accounts tend to differ, the fact that "Big Money" is behind the trades means that these investors/traders have the ability to move markets.
-Retail - A trade reported by a broker that primarily executes on behalf of retail investors such as Charles Schwab's Mayer Schweitzer.
-Non I-Watch - This portion of the chart refers to trades not reported over Thomson's proprietary communications network. Broker participation is voluntary, so it is rare that all trading volume is accounted for. These trades can be related to either institutional or retail trading.
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So do you want for "us" to only post FACTS... and no opinions? Does every "postive thought" need to be backed up with some sort of "fact" or a negative? I'm not trying to be a pain...honest...just askin' what it is that "we" need to do?
My hope through all of these threads is that people need to remember to not fall for the hype...the hype is going to get posted...and reminders to people that they need to remember it is hype...and may not come through...
I'm out of this stock...but I am watching...Peaser, Maumee, Stock and several others said that they were out as well...there are a few newer posters...some that seemed to maybe come in towards the end of the run...this is done for now...IMO
Be careful people...Do your DD...and play your game...but protect you Capital...!
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I didn't pick the above OTC/Pinks in any order. just some of mine that are doing well, and the 'most actives under.10'on AllStocks from today.
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Egg..in regards to your post about the institutional buys...and I could be wrong...but I am not sure that we have any way of knowing when or if those buys have already been sold...perhaps they are "flipping" as we do...can't say for sure..but IMO..no "institution" is going to buy and hold a penny...but "play" a penny...maybe???
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I had some catching up to do reading this thread and I have to say that there are some very witty people here. Very clear who is for and against this stock. I am very uncertain either way. I only have 20k shares left in it and I would still like to think it has possibilities. There are several positives here and there are some negatives that are actually legitimate. I will let my 20k shares ride and see what happens. I have been burned in the past by being in a stock too long and if anything this one has taught me an even greater lesson. I already knew the lesson, this one confirmed that I need to put it into play and stop getting caught up in any hype. That lesson is to get in and get out. Set your target price when you get in and get out when you hit that target. If it dips and there may be a play, jump back in with the very same goal in mind. Make some money and run. Whether you do it 10 times with this stock or with 10 different stocks makes no difference. Hit and run. Pennyland is the one place this is comletely legal and nearly required to get from point A to point B and come out a winner.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: So do you want for "us" to only post FACTS... and no opinions? Does every "postive thought" need to be backed up with some sort of "fact" or a negative? I'm not trying to be a pain...honest...just askin' what it is that "we" need to do?
My hope through all of these threads is that people need to remember to not fall for the hype...the hype is going to get posted...and reminders to people that they need to remember it is hype...and may not come through...
I'm out of this stock...but I am watching...Peaser, Maumee, Stock and several others said that they were out as well...there are a few newer posters...some that seemed to maybe come in towards the end of the run...this is done for now...IMO
Be careful people...Do your DD...and play your game...but protect you Capital...!
lol, 10...
Imagination is intregral. First, you have to "imagine yourself" doing this, eh? Imagination is critical: What if? Well if that, what if this? Good DD "goes by the book;" the best DD is inspired...
That particular post? Let's say I'm reacting, "Wow" or whatever... I would *hope* you might say something like, "Ya, good idea, Tex, but look at the problems with that post."
To deconstruct:
"Maybe Obasanjo launch Nicosan nation wide with the sole intention of selling it to only the richest Nigerians? Will that small group of rich citizens will rake him in that $150mil on $20 monthly treatments of Nicosan alone?
Let’s start asking ourselves the right questions and stop dealing with speculation. We can read between the lines enough until it is eventually laid out for everyone to see. If we are true longs then we must stick to the fundamentals, period. When we play into rumor and speculation we give power to the short position as rumor and speculation are their fundamentals."
emphasis added, mine:
Notice the bold: starts with "Maybe" and leads into "stop dealing with speculation."
Although the"idea" in and of itself can *not* be wrong ("it's only an idea; we're brainstorming, here")--the resultant premise is contradictory. Boiled down ---> "Maybe we should stop doing maybe. But I like my maybe. So take my maybe."
Next bold: "true longs stick to the fundamentals" Second premise---> You wanna be loyal, right? Gotta stick to the basics (which is my maybe)...
Then the italic: the "close" -->rumor and speculation are bad! We hate Shorts!
... all based upon the poster's *speculation...and, as far I know, BRAND NEW RUMOR*
* and, ya, about dem newbs just getting in... ahem *
Am i saying take the time to "deconstruct" *every* fallacious argument? No....
but if you see me missing one, I'd appreciate the hedzup...
will do the same...
(btw, there's at least four logical fallacies at work herein; the formal names escape me, but Beedge prolly remembers 'em. Anyway, arguments framed thusly are usually totally newb-ignorant, or misleading on purpose...)
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Tex, I have to hand it to you. You are one of the few people that don't like this stock much who take the time to let others know why and I applaud that. Negative positions are good. Food for thought even when some of us are stuffed. Constructive arguments are the fundamental benefit to being a part of these boards.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Egg..in regards to your post about the institutional buys...and I could be wrong...but I am not sure that we have any way of knowing when or if those buys have already been sold...perhaps they are "flipping" as we do...can't say for sure..but IMO..no "institution" is going to buy and hold a penny...but "play" a penny...maybe???
Maybe...
maybe they are flipping. Maybe they aren't. I did not say they were holding. In fact I have no oinion on it either way.
my point was very few OTC/Pinks get any Institutional investment dollars, flip or not.(and lets agree, fund Mgr's are handling 'Investment Dollars')
XKEM has stood out in that regard, PERIOD. this was my only point.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: So do you want for "us" to only post FACTS... and no opinions? Does every "postive thought" need to be backed up with some sort of "fact" or a negative? I'm not trying to be a pain...honest...just askin' what it is that "we" need to do?
My hope through all of these threads is that people need to remember to not fall for the hype...the hype is going to get posted...and reminders to people that they need to remember it is hype...and may not come through...
I'm out of this stock...but I am watching...Peaser, Maumee, Stock and several others said that they were out as well...there are a few newer posters...some that seemed to maybe come in towards the end of the run...this is done for now...IMO
Be careful people...Do your DD...and play your game...but protect you Capital...!
lol, 10...
Imagination is intregral. First, you have to "imagine yourself" doing this, eh? Imagination is critical: What if? Well if that, what if this? Good DD "goes by the book;" the best DD is inspired...
That particular post? Let's say I'm reacting, "Wow" or whatever... I would *hope* you might say something like, "Ya, good idea, Tex, but look at the problems with that post."
To deconstruct:
"Maybe Obasanjo launch Nicosan nation wide with the sole intention of selling it to only the richest Nigerians? Will that small group of rich citizens will rake him in that $150mil on $20 monthly treatments of Nicosan alone?
Let’s start asking ourselves the right questions and stop dealing with speculation. We can read between the lines enough until it is eventually laid out for everyone to see. If we are true longs then we must stick to the fundamentals, period. When we play into rumor and speculation we give power to the short position as rumor and speculation are their fundamentals."
emphasis added, mine:
Notice the bold: starts with "Maybe" and leads into "stop dealing with speculation."
Although the"idea" in and of itself can *not* be wrong ("it's only an idea; we're brainstorming, here")--the resultant premise is contradictory. Boiled down ---> "Maybe we should stop doing maybe. But I like my maybe. So take my maybe."
Next bold: "true longs stick to the fundamentals" Second premise---> You wanna be loyal, right? Gotta stick to the basics (which is my maybe)...
Then the italic: the "close" -->rumor and speculation are bad! We hate Shorts!
... all based upon the poster's *speculation...and, as far I know, BRAND NEW RUMOR*
* and, ya, about dem newbs just getting in... ahem *
Am i saying take the time to "deconstruct" *every* fallacious argument? No....
but if you see me missing one, I'd appreciate the hedzup...
will do the same...
(btw, there's at least four logical fallacies at work herein; the formal names escape me, but Beedge prolly remembers 'em. Anyway, arguments framed thusly are usually totally newb-ignorant, or misleading on purpose...)
but merely to clarify...my "deconstruction" has nothing to with the stock, per se... I'm "against" that post (and similar), and *for* "watching each other's backs."
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