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The only thing smelling fishy around here is your continued Pump of TBlue and your constant bashing of PLNI. Dreamin did you buy at .018 and now Angry it's at .013? If you think something is bad wrong with PLNI then call them, or better yet go visit them in Lexington, KY. Don't start Rumors about an Imminent R/S when they are unfounded and Please stop Opening New threads. Thank you and GL.
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-It's a pink sheet; with pink sheets there are less regulations so MM's have a large upper hand, which means they can do as they please.
-Has a large float, this just makes it very hard to run up.
TBLUE:
-Not as promising of a company as PLNI, having some financial trouble.
-Has a very low float, one of the lowest I have seen in a while, this makes it very easy to run up with added volume.
-MM’s have little shares, this was shown to us when people were placing large orders and the MM’s were only partially filling. They are getting desperate and as a result if they get any more pressure they will be forced to substantially raise the ask etc.
-If she gets good volume it will unquestionably fly.
The reason people talk about PLNI and TBLUE as if both stocks are hand in hand is because both are owned by the same person James Turrek. If 5% of the people considering getting into PLNI got into TBLUE it would fly all she needs is volume. It’s that simple which is why I am so ardent about it, I personally just want people to become aware. That is all.
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-It's a pink sheet; with pink sheets there are less regulations so MM's have a large upper hand, which means they can do as they please.
-Has a large float, this just makes it very hard to run up.
TBLUE:
-Not as promising of a company as PLNI, having some financial trouble.
-Has a very low float, one of the lowest I have seen in a while, this makes it very easy to run up with added volume.
-MM’s have little shares, this was shown to us when people were placing large orders and the MM’s were only partially filling. They are getting desperate and as a result if they get any more pressure they will be forced to substantially raise the ask etc.
-If she gets good volume it will unquestionably fly.
The reason people talk about PLNI and TBLUE as if both stocks are hand in hand is because both are owned by the same person James Turrek. If 5% of the people considering getting into PLNI got into TBLUE it would fly all she needs is volume. It’s that simple which is why I am so ardent about it, I personally just want people to become aware. That is all.
Very well said. The word "Pumping" is a negative word which makes it appear yo uare doing something illegal or even scamming investors to buy your stock so you can gain a greater profit. I would like to think that the work "Pumping" needs to be used less often unless you see someone saying "Buy this" and not give a reason in which why investing in his company is a good idea. Being able to force someone into a stock is a very hard thing to do but we need to take notice that alot of these companies are death traps. Alot of news and info are released on companies that seem to be the next best thing, but inturn they continue to go down dispite of all the news being released about the company. Instead of bashing maniladreamin allow him to speak on his "Fishy feeling" of PLNI. Then based on his his findings we can then talk about his feelings towards PLNI. If you look around this site you will see alot of stocks with over 20 pages and since the first post the stock has had a downward trend. Alot of hype that is brough into a stock tends to hurt alot of people then make more people gain profit. WFTV,CNES,QBID,CMKX,PRRM just to name a few. Instead of bashing each other lets work together and try to help one another make money. We all know a companies worth does not move the stock. We as investors are who control the market. If we all sold our postions and got into the same exact stock everyone will make money. Instead we invest in stocks which have hugh floats, Alot of shares being held by MM's, Diluation, R/S in the making and yet we still buy more shares of these companies. We need to become more aware of the market and what truly moves stocks. You buy the whole float or most of it. You own the company. Force sellers out of a stock by rasing the bid and the MM get 0 of the shares in which was sold. It's little things like that inwhich needs to be addressed instead of buy this and buy that. Buying pressure is a very important thing and without it no stock will move. If you could invest 2k in cash in a stock and cause it to uptick and put 2k into a stock in which 20k in cash is needed to cause an uptick of .0001 which one would gain you a better profit over all?
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ZJamaican did a very good job of stating the pro's and con's of both companies. We need more post like that then "This is fishy" or "Your pumping TBLUE" If you want to convience someone then post the facts.
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-Promising long term hold, company looking good. Hopefully the number of buys over powers the MM’s in the long run.
-Will not see a 100% gain in day due to large float and MM’s.
TBLUE
-Short term stock if it gets the public’s attention could go up 300%-1000% within 4 or 5 days. [No exaggeration intended.]
Just look for yourself, I’m the type of person who likes to state the simple facts and let you all judge for yourself. I don’t like just saying “buy buy buy” without reason, that would make me ignorant.
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The yahoo board is talking big time about PLNI doing a 200 / 1 Reverse split, I'm scare look at what happened to the other TRIFECTA of 2005. OSFT.
quote:Originally posted by maniladreamin: I have a gut feeling there is something fishy about this plni stock
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call the company Monday morning, speak to Bill Howe.
Jeez, I think this traces back to Turek saying a r/s might be necessary AFTER being on the OTCBB for a year or so, in order to move to NASDAQ or AMEX.
Guys, quit spreading rumors. If you got DD to offer, BRING IT ON!
Otherwise, calm down or stfu--whichever shoe fits. If you've got a long--or even swing--position, why do you want to add to the rumor mill?
Pens, exactly what do we care wtf yahoo boards are saying?
As far as OSFT goes, Magnetic posted that split in the morning, the day of, I believe--plenty of time for peeps to bail if they would just take advantage his excellent, day-in-day-out split-notice DD. That is a momentous example of someone taking initiative for the board and doing a job no one else wanted. Magnetic Microspheres is KING of HIS DOMAIN!
You, too, can become an international diplomat: bring facts, well-reasoned supposition even, but LOL, podner, quit freaking out everytime some girl's skirt blows up or some bully gives you the evil eye. For all you know, you're getting spooked by somebody in on the TBLUE grope...take a deep breath, and repeat: DD DD DD DD DD...
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can *not* verify: survey of your recent posts indicates #69 either deleted or linked to another handle...
under the circumstances, grope play becoming evident, i will reserve my apology...but you are correct, sir, as of this moment I can not find a post with you promoting the TBLUE grope...
I still don't understand why you attempted to twist the data on PLNI vs EMIT/EMTI...
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I think that if a company gags the TA, gives fluff PR's and doesn't keep its investors up to date on o/s and float then no matter how good the company is they are probably hurting the shareholders, dilution. Also those companys that make promises only to break them after the run. We have had several of those in the last year, yet shareholders don't realize they were scammed till its to late. I am not talking about a stock listed here because I have not read up on them, just the talk about pinks in general. You hide information for a reason. And if they are hiding the information then the shareholders should be standing up and demanding the information instead of calling people names for questioning a stock. If it the truth with facts to base it on then it should be brought up without people trashing other for talking about it.
But saying that; it is those that bash or pump a stock over and over and want give up have some reason for doing so. Either way its bad and I thing that pumping some stocks are worse then bashing some. Because the worse thing that will happen if a basher talks about a stock is make people do more DD and may depress the stocks price for the short term. A good stock will at some point moves. But a true pumper gets people involved in scams. Thats the low life. And just because you really like your stock doesn't make you a pumper. A pumper is someone who pushes a stock for a short term run so he can make a quick buck off someone else.
Prrm, and Ththf for example are good companies but bad stocks. They have a real business. But there stock is a scam. They pumped it on the good companies name only to dump shares for profit and capital gains. They basically stuck it to the shareholders to build the company. Now both are worthless with o/s's and floats that are massive. But still try and scam investors by saying look what we have. They got free loans they never have to pay back. And they are only a few. A couple new ones being pushed now are starting the same thing yet no one wants to here it. Good look. Pinks are for the experienced yet we have to be burnt to become experienced it seems.
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: I think that if a company gags the TA, gives fluff PR's and doesn't keep its investors up to date on o/s and float then no matter how good the company is they are probably hurting the shareholders, dilution. Also those companys that make promises only to break them after the run. We have had several of those in the last year, yet shareholders don't realize they were scammed till its to late. I am not talking about a stock listed here because I have not read up on them, just the talk about pinks in general. You hide information for a reason. And if they are hiding the information then the shareholders should be standing up and demanding the information instead of calling people names for questioning a stock. If it the truth with facts to base it on then it should be brought up without people trashing other for talking about it.
But saying that; it is those that bash or pump a stock over and over and want give up have some reason for doing so. Either way its bad and I thing that pumping some stocks are worse then bashing some. Because the worse thing that will happen if a basher talks about a stock is make people do more DD and may depress the stocks price for the short term. A good stock will at some point moves. But a true pumper gets people involved in scams. Thats the low life. And just because you really like your stock doesn't make you a pumper. A pumper is someone who pushes a stock for a short term run so he can make a quick buck off someone else.
Prrm, and Ththf for example are good companies but bad stocks. They have a real business. But there stock is a scam. They pumped it on the good companies name only to dump shares for profit and capital gains. They basically stuck it to the shareholders to build the company. Now both are worthless with o/s's and floats that are massive. But still try and scam investors by saying look what we have. They got free loans they never have to pay back. And they are only a few. A couple new ones being pushed now are starting the same thing yet no one wants to here it. Good look. Pinks are for the experienced yet we have to be burnt to become experienced it seems.
Very good post Ric. I just have 1 bone to pick with you. You mentioned a pumper is a person who forces people into buying a stock short term for the profit of oneself. I have to disagree. We have many different types of traders. You have long/short term investors, daytrader, swing traders, group players, and people who buy what they are told. IMO out of all those listed above no one makes more money then daytraders. They are the most active of them all and frankly they play the best way. They "invest" in what ever is moving. That's how this market should be played. For you to say I am going to play XYZ till this price is reached is the most uneducated comment anyone can make. You invest in OTC and you will lose your money. Everything is pumped. PLNI to TBLUE. Why else do people post DD. It's a smoke screen to get new investors to add to the pot to "try" to increase the PPS of a stock but how can it be done when there are so many shares in the float and people selling into the run. A stock can not move if when buys come in sells are matching it. There is no way possible. Those who invest long term seem to always fall for the companies traps and the MM trickery while the daytraders make all the money. Look at the charts of all these companies. You get in for an example at .01 she increases to .02 which is 100% and your still holding. then she drops.... Drops some more even drops below the price in which you paid for it. Now your in red. You could of sold at .02 took your profit and re-enter once she bottoms out. Why sit and wait and wait until you start losing money until you decided it's time to sell? As RIC said you have good companies but bad stocks. Update your companies info more often. Let us know how many shares are O/S. Release a DTC report every 2 weeks. Until we notice what these companies are doing to us we will never get ahead.
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quote:Originally posted by BuyTex: compare a runner to a steady climber? apples n oranges, man. plus, that particular day, wasn't EMwhatever actually down?
Milli, if you've posted any DD on EMwhatever, I missed it. Thas all I'm asking, man--DD
Buytex would you agree that DD most of the time is misleading? The reason why I ask you that is because a company might be so good but if the shares being held by insiders are massive don't you believe they will sell there shares into our run once the public takes interest in the stock? Most pink sheets are listed to raise funds for there company. Either by doing R/S or diluating the stock. "Investors" are the ones who get hurt because they hold for so long and most of the times the company is going south rather then up..
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Wisdom. I guess that I should have but P&D in it as the to define it. But it doesn't matter if your a daytrader or a paid pumper if your intent is to scam others for your profit then its wrong.
My def. didn't include a normal daytrader or swing trader that is in and out. I consider myself a swing trader with a little daytrading. And just because me or others bring a stock to the boards attention that it is primed to run doesn't met the def. of a pumper. A pumper is someone that manipulates the board and others to move a stock. Big difference.
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quote:Originally posted by Ric: Wisdom. I guess that I should have but P&D in it as the to define it. But it doesn't matter if your a daytrader or a paid pumper if your intent is to scam others for your profit then its wrong.
My def. didn't include a normal daytrader or swing trader that is in and out. I consider myself a swing trader with a little daytrading. And just because me or others bring a stock to the boards attention that it is primed to run doesn't met the def. of a pumper. A pumper is someone that manipulates the board and others to move a stock. Big difference.
I don't understand how someone can "maniplate" a board. Either you buy or you don't. The person talking about EMTI has been pumping it. He has joined other threads and told people to buy EMTI because you will make money. If you bring a stock onto the board and you bring DD is one thing and if you bring a stock into a board with no DD but you tell people it is a low floater and with volume it will run does that make the person a pumper? Weither you are investing longer term or short, our overall intention is the same. And just incase anyone forgot it is to make money. If you buy at a stocks HOD then you run the highest risk of becoming a bag holder if the stock goes south. Weither it is a P&D or PLNI. We have seen from BXTRR and WAVAP which Buytex mentioned in his post that Shells can return high % gains which regular stocks can not. Yes the people who get in at the top run the risk of never seeing there entry price again but alot more people made money at the bottom. You will always have a bag holder in every stock you play weither your in for a day or a year. Someone will always lose and someone will always win. I feel that newbee's need to educated and not told what to buy. I feel alot of newbees come into a site like this and see 50 pages of a stock, and everyone saying this will go north and once they get in it goes south and keep losing money. Not because of pumping but because of to much hype in a stock that is poorly ran. If MM's have to many shares then the stock will continue to head south. Not until you take there shares will the stock head back north and alot of people tend to not relaize that or just over look it. You can post as much DD as you want but if a stock has a float of 1 billion shares and 230m shares outstanding you can bet that a r/s will come first before the stock ever hits 100% profit. That's a fact. Instead of hyping this up and saying everyone is bashing sit back and look at whats happening. The MM's are screwing us. We are screwing each other with out poor stock pratice. Everytime you sell on the bid the sell has to be covered in order for the stock to move upward. So if a stock keeps getting dumped the stock will keep going down. MM's have to drive the price down to see how low they can shares for inorder to sell it back at a higher price. That's how they make there money. I can go on for days in teaching people the correct way to invest but by looking at level 2's I can tell all these so called "Investors" are doing more bad then good for the market.
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Hey momo, hows it hanging. You don't understand how you can manipulate a board but you wrote the book on it. Man you don't want no one to believe in pumpers because you are the biggest one out there. How funny.
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quote:Originally posted by xyz: Hey momo, hows it hanging. You don't understand how you can manipulate a board but you wrote the book on it. Man you don't want no one to believe in pumpers because you are the biggest one out there. How funny.
Hello XYZ I read your last post and it appears to me your known to be a basher. Don't know what you mean by the word Momo but I do know I never spoke to you, which means you know nothing about me. Here is what someone had to say about you in there last post. bmaxingout Member
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Member Rated: posted June 13, 2005 14:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey xyz either post with facts or go back where you came from (dj)
did anyone know that dj is a paid basher hes ticked off because everyone knows its him as soon as he opens his bashing mouth
how could anyone post as often as he does without geting paid he posts 10-12 hous per day all crap all the time
It appears you only come out when it's time to bash so here is your chance. I came on this board to talk about PLNI which is a company that I have shares in along with TBLUE. Unless you can prove me otherwise then please leave the bashing at the door.
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It appears to me that everything is a P&D on this board. If it's not from members it's from companies. Being that everything that is being said is unfounded rumors why is it being held so strongly by indiviuals? Weither you are a paided basher or a paided pumper one thing will always become evident. The fact that there is nothing illegal with talking about any company weither it is a shell or not. Weither you have DD or not any mention of a stock should be welcomed the sameway. Stocks will always go up and come back down. Meaning bashers will basher when it is on the way down and pumpers will pump when it's going up. Buytex you seem to have some issues which you need to take up with someone else besides me. I am here talking about a stock in which I own shares of and I see nothing wrong with that. I believe because you don't own shares you feel the need to discourage everyone else from getting into the company which you know would drive the pps up. If you don't like a company then don't post. No need for you to add negativity to a thread which had none until you added your bitterness. You then attract professional and well known bashers who get paided to bash a stock. If you do not like what is taken place then move on to another thread but I take offense of you saying a stock I own is a pump & dump. When it's clear that group volume has not even hit the company. You are like other professional bashers who just bring down a stock and force people to stay away from a company while you lure them into bad companies and blame it on others. Please I would like to make this a home, and get along with everyone including you. But I ask that you not bash any stocks in which I own shares of. If you would like to bash please feel free to do it on any of the ones that deserve bashing not the ones that are trying to make a name for it's self. Your just going to make yourself look bad.
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quote:Originally posted by Wisdom_Dave: It appears to me that everything is a P&D on this board. If it's not from members it's from companies. Being that everything that is being said is unfounded rumors why is it being held so strongly by indiviuals? Weither you are a paided basher or a paided pumper one thing will always become evident. The fact that there is nothing illegal with talking about any company weither it is a shell or not. Weither you have DD or not any mention of a stock should be welcomed the sameway. Stocks will always go up and come back down. Meaning bashers will basher when it is on the way down and pumpers will pump when it's going up. Buytex you seem to have some issues which you need to take up with someone else besides me. I am here talking about a stock in which I own shares of and I see nothing wrong with that. I believe because you don't own shares you feel the need to discourage everyone else from getting into the company which you know would drive the pps up. If you don't like a company then don't post. No need for you to add negativity to a thread which had none until you added your bitterness. You then attract professional and well known bashers who get paided to bash a stock. If you do not like what is taken place then move on to another thread but I take offense of you saying a stock I own is a pump & dump. When it's clear that group volume has not even hit the company. You are like other professional bashers who just bring down a stock and force people to stay away from a company while you lure them into bad companies and blame it on others. Please I would like to make this a home, and get along with everyone including you. But I ask that you not bash any stocks in which I own shares of. If you would like to bash please feel free to do it on any of the ones that deserve bashing not the ones that are trying to make a name for it's self. Your just going to make yourself look bad.
I think they need to start deleting blalant bash posts. They do nothing for the board.
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