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This is what's wrong here as of late. Everyone's looking for instant millions and it just isn't going to happen. Making money in the penny market is harder than any other although the payoffs can be much greater IF you do your work. Not many here choose to take that route anymore though. Instead they blindly follow someone elses pick and then get upset when it doesn't pan out. Todays was a perfect example. Here's a stock that goes days without trading, has been in a downward trend for months and then when a huge volume and price spike hits this morning, you jump in without the slightest bit of research into what's causing it. Guess what, you're going to lose all your money using that approach. Nothing wrong with jumping on someone elses pick but come on, do a little research first.
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nothing to report to the SEC. nothing that happened was illegal we all let greed run our thinking period. i'm as guilty as the rest & maybe even more of a moron because i knew better & said so in my posts. the idea is good but you can't make a market you need to join a market. i knew it i'm not new to pennies and yet my greed let me toss cash in the toilet with the rest. i'm only mad at me not gain or anyone else.
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Report me to the SEC. I bought today and I'm still holding. You three were the ones who tried fooling folks.
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UpMan, they all knew what they were doing. It was a claculated pick. They agreed to have a pick with several group members reviewing it, and then it would be released and everyone would purchase it. I don't think the stock traded yesterday, not sure, so no one was in early. It just went up so dramatically that the earlybirds got out. Imagine if they put their money in IDVL, which had been running already. Good concept probably, but needs tweaking. Hard to keep folks folks together after a few bad picks or experiences. You know there are posters on this board that can put up any four capital letters, and that stock will be played hard, and you also know the results might not be so much different from this groups, but they never feel betrayed. Go figure.
quote:Originally posted by Upside: This is what's wrong here as of late. Everyone's looking for instant millions and it just isn't going to happen. Making money in the penny market is harder than any other although the payoffs can be much greater IF you do your work. Not many here choose to take that route anymore though. Instead they blindly follow someone elses pick and then get upset when it doesn't pan out. Todays was a perfect example. Here's a stock that goes days without trading, has been in a downward trend for months and then when a huge volume and price spike hits this morning, you jump in without the slightest bit of research into what's causing it. Guess what, you're going to lose all your money using that approach. Nothing wrong with jumping on someone elses pick but come on, do a little research first.
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Not you Bill. They know who they are. We are thinking about chnging the forum to where we just jump on Daily runners from now on. I realized what the problem was and the only way to fix it would be illegal. So we'll have to just settle for less now on.
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gain i've said in the group many times..a group can work but it can't be a dead stock. it needs to be moving up & there has to be some volume to cover the sells. i'm not saying you did but even if you or others had sold early if there was volume it would not matter. the only volume was us & thus we lost. i'm a fool for jumping in because i know it won't work. maybe just maybe once in a while it will but 9 out of 10 it wont
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thats why we are screening them off microcaptrade... natural runners with momentum.. thats what i always wanted, but they think they know how to run a show over there...
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I think it would of worked in the right stock. They had enough people. Just went up to fast. Need a stock with some vol. to start with.
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If you have Time & Sales look at what happened at 10:18:54. That doesn't seem like regular trading.
I don't know anyone that buys and then simultaneously sells for less. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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what i'm saying is what ever the group does has to be good not only for the group but the market as a whole. a group can help a run on a stock but that in turn helps everyone playing in pennies not just the group.
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So, y'all sorta, kinda, knew the right way, momentum and float, but ignored it, and went with a low volume no trading stock. I don't believe a stock would even have to be running just have decent volume and a low flaot, and it would be a prime candidate.
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Gain saysQuote: For those of you have jumped on the bluehorseshoe bandwagon, you are being fooled. If you look atv his posts the day DFLR was released, he did nothing but bash. Also, alot of you started giving him some support after he made some picks that ran. Well, if you were educated you would see that he merely posted picks that were already running. In this he gained your confidence from merely telling you what was already known to most.
Since Gain likes to keep his accusations one sided and doesn't let those being accused respond, i will do so here. Have you noticed how gain or brejman quickly delete every post that have slight negativity and/or criticism? These people are losing hard earned money on picks that are simply HORRIBLE. DFLR, JRVC, PHIR? Gain wants them to sit back and be happy? And have you noticed how gain never admits to a bad picks? You can't have an ego when you're in that position!
1.JRVC- just did a 1-2000 R/S today. I feel sorry for those holding. One million shares have turned into 500 now and the pos is just going back to .0001 shortly
3. PHIR- Quote: Philips Int'l Realty Corp 295 Madison Avenue 2nf Floor New York, NY 10017 (212) 545-1100 Fax: (212) 545-1355
BRIEF: Philips International Realty Corp has ceased all business operations and now exists solely to complete its liquidation. The Company was previously a self-advised real estate investment trust (REIT). For the fiscal year ended 12/03, revenues fell 57% to $1.2M. Net loss from cont. ops. totalled $558K vs. an income of $839K. Results reflect the disposition of shopping properties and a decrease in operating margin.
CAPITALIZATION: Common Stock $.01 Par, 3/04, 150M auth., 7,340,474 issd. Insiders control approx. 6%, Deutsche Bank owns 9%. IPO: 5/98, 7,200,000 shs. @ $17.50 by Prudential Securities Inc. At IPO, all Preferred Stock converted into Common. FY '00 & '01 finl's restated due to disc. ops.
OFFICERS: Philip Pilevsky, Chmn./CEO, Sheila Levine, COO/Exec. VP./Secy. TRANSFER AGENT: BankBoston, N.A. Company incorporated 1997 in MD. Direct inquiries to: Director of Investor Relations.
PHIR is having a tag sale, why would you put your money in this? Again, i question the ability of gain and brejman in their dd.
Next, Gain says I post picks that are running. the ONLY pick i posted in the "suggested picks" forum was IDVL. (see screen shot)
I posted this from the bottom and since it is up 525.00%. I think that speaks for itself.
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the idea is there. Will is saying just what i'm saying. it can be done here in allstocks or on a differant site but a moving stock with some volume is the only way a short term group can work. if you had 500 ppl buying that stock today & nobody sold it would run & stay till the group started selling & it would drop as fast as it ran if not faster
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quote:Originally posted by gainster: If you have Time & Sales look at what happened at 10:18:54. That doesn't seem like regular trading.
I don't know anyone that buys and then simultaneously sells for less. Tell me if I'm wrong.
How can you claim 2 ppl sold 400 shares thats less than $50 bucks and sabortaged 150 ppl with over $80,000 traded! thats ludacris.. MM's do that all the time and it doesnt drop the PPS from 250% to 50% ...
... know what guys just take this bickering somewhere else.. allstock is not the forum. Anybody ever wonder why we here at allstock never hear anything except when they screw up? .. that's the only time they come around here talking BS.
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IDVL ran because of the news at 11:45 & because the technicals had ppl watching it. it had volume before the run. look at yesterdays trades for IDVL. nothing happened till the news in fact it was down at 1 point but ppl were watching as proven by the volume
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They cannot play a Natural runner because they dont have time to load up and make the 300% gain off the expense of others. Thats what it comes down to.
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quote:Originally posted by will: LOW FLOAT & DECENT VOLUMES
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if the company has HAD good news and been overlooked, the technical movement will encourage people with it ALREADY ON their watchlist to buy in..
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LOL - Gain is some character. He's making 300-500% off of every pick and you suckers just FALL RIGHT INTO IT. The last what, 3-4 have failed. Maybe to you, but not to Gain and company. They've made 200%++. When will you people learn it's not going to work? LOL
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Just wanted to let you guys know that IDVL is running again. This thing has run from 0048 to 0074 several times today....you can see it on the charts...
Know alot of you Allstockers are over on Gainster's board, but just wanted to pass on this information.
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almost every person bashing on this post are in mattonics group, and the 3 main people are the ones talking the most. mattonic, bluehorseshoe, and coolnwo ... then of course, a few other of his followers who he probably promised the pick to early.
how ironic huh?
Seariously, if you look at the time and sales, transaction by transaction, there were a few people trying to bring the price down ... why? so it would look like we failed ... why? so everyone runs and joins their group ... why? so they can buy in early, where we didn't allow them to.
one of the IM convos i had with mattonic ...
GQuedDiesel (1:05:54 PM): so whats the deal? GQuedDiesel (1:06:13 PM): are we changing the pick release time to 9:30am? BRejman (1:06:44 PM): 925 BRejman (1:06:52 PM): 5 mins before the bell opens GQuedDiesel (1:07:04 PM): oh chris was saying we might change it BRejman (1:07:27 PM): plenty of time for everyone to do thier DD, and not long enough for much premarket, just enough to get everyones attention BRejman (1:07:38 PM): not sure, havent talked to him about that yet GQuedDiesel (1:07:38 PM): so what? you going to tell me early on that day? BRejman (1:08:37 PM): well, we should have the final pick here soon, we are just making sure nothing happens today, e.g. bad news, one of the others we like released, news etc ... everything is kinda changing by the hour, know what i mean? GQuedDiesel (1:10:18 PM): yeah GQuedDiesel (1:10:40 PM): so u are going to release at 9:25am GQuedDiesel (1:10:43 PM): 6:25 my time BRejman (1:11:05 PM): i realize buying early is important to you, but making these people money is most important to us, this week is different from most other, you dont understand how important it is BRejman (1:11:09 PM): most likly GQuedDiesel (1:11:40 PM): whats bad about putting in an order 4 minutes early GQuedDiesel (1:12:09 PM): i know they will make money GQuedDiesel (1:12:17 PM): if everything goes fine with the pick GQuedDiesel (1:12:49 PM): its just you guys came at me with this plan of callaborating groups with certain promises GQuedDiesel (1:13:16 PM): i just would like to know if those promises will not be fulfilled that is all BRejman (1:14:17 PM): i understand that, but this is only 1 week, with all do respect, think about the others for this week, not just yourself ... this week is way to important, conditions have to be just right, in fact they have to be perfect, everything can change in 10 mins, alot can happen over night, hell alot can happen tomorrow morning BRejman (1:14:45 PM): we still arent 100% choosen yet on the pick GQuedDiesel (1:14:58 PM): ok, well just break it down for me BRejman (1:15:05 PM): there are a few we are watching, the finally decision will most likly be made tomorrow morning GQuedDiesel (1:15:27 PM): the market is not open over night GQuedDiesel (1:15:38 PM): nothing changes over night BRejman (1:17:19 PM): news can change **** GQuedDiesel (1:17:34 PM): news is not released at midnight
FYI: we never were going to give them the pick, we just made then believe we would so they would behave, we didn't want them to screw everyone by buying up a bunch of shares early, then dropping them on you.
all they care about is buying in early, so they can dump the shares off on the group. that is why all this drama keeps comming up, people get pissed off becuase we wont give them the pick early.
they claim daily runners? please ... they create the momentum, they create the runners, then once its already running, tell the group, let the rest of them run it up a bit, then sell ...
these are real logs btw, where the ones coolnwo are fake, mattonic made them. mattonic told me he does webdesign, so with his backround he can easily create fake screen shots.
all he had to do is have a convo with his friend, then just change the names ...
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