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Ric
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My pick of the year is AFRD for the biggest scam and loser.

Others:

GAWY
THTHF
USCI
PRRM
CSJJ
CDVJ
PABN


Any others I need to add.

Speak of the scam AFRD and they change names to hide and restart the scam all over under GMSV.

Ric

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AIPN, a stock i was very bold on, is in bankruptcy. if the shareholders are wiped out it's a major loser and/or scam.


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TTRIF beacuse the pump is on it so hard...

this play should have died back in 1999


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what the matter ric not making money on them
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Originally posted by Ric:
My pick of the year is AFRD for the biggest scam and loser.

Others:

GAWY
THTHF
USCI
PRRM
CSJJ
CDVJ
PABN


Any others I need to add.

Ric



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Well, I don't know who you are but actually made money on two of them before they went out of business (well put operations on hold, lol) without warning the stockholders, and I did lose on two of them but was out before it was bad. Not doing this for any other reason then giving new investors good advise. Wish I had it when I first got into pennies. Two others have done R/S after paid pumping to get pps up then dumped shares then R/S. The rest either diluted shares or did R/S's leaving stockholders holding the bag while pumping PR's out on a great outlook. I hope you don't think any of these dawgs are investments. But I think my rep on here is good enough to say I don't just tell someone a stock is good or bad without knowing the facts. And all these listed so far are very troubled stocks for some reason or another.

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what the matter ric not making money on them

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LSTA, which turned to LSTE which is now known as lvsg
an ugly company, ugh, makes me sick just thinking about it. . . or is that the hangover from over-indulging myself last night?

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IDGC - IndigiNet

LOSER..... I can't remember how I got this it just showed up. I think one of my other stocks merged and I got this. 200k shares transfered to IDGC and in return I got 110 shares of IDGC at .90/share. 1 day later the price per share went to .10,,,then to .05 and now .0009.... Aperently I wasnt paying attention and missed something.

not even worth selling, if i do I make $.65 minus $9.99 etrade fee.

So thats my LOSER stock

BJ


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IBZT - HUGE SCAM THAT TOOK DOWN A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF

WATCH OUT FOR MARIO AND MLON NEXT YEAR! WORST CEO OUT THERE!


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Biggest flops of 2004 that most thought would make it to over a dollar are:

GZFX
WMNI
TCFT
IBZT
MLON - coming back a little though

Many people including self thought these companies were going to be the next SIRI shooting over a dollar a share. What did they do wrong. Dilution for most, deception on a couple, and not promoting product for some. Exception to last was IBZT who promoted a product it didn't have, lol. Do any of these still have hope, I think so. But a watch list only outlook for right now.

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Ric

I'm holding ibiz 2M shares. It has made two decent runs the past few months. Went up to .019 the first week of December. There is no reason to think it is ready to make another run this week but on Friday afternoon it made a small move up 17% to .0041 after a long slow downward trend.
I'm dumping shares and buying qbid when it moves up so am watching it this week.

The SEC has not finished looking into them and they seem to be having problems raising $$$$ to put their products into production. Once the SEC finishes and if their findings are not too devestating then this may get some life again...but...there is nothing concrete right now just some wishful thinking on my part and some nice toys they have if they can ever get back on track.


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IVHL or what ever they are now

Inovation holdings. the reverse split king of the century.

6000-1 resverse split followed by 1000-1 reverse split only a month and a half apart.

I almost invested a bunch of money with them. thank god i asked people in here before i did.

thanks to those that spoke up on this one.

Rod


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quote:
Originally posted by culpat:
LSTA, which turned to LSTE which is now known as lvsg
an ugly company, ugh, makes me sick just thinking about it. . . or is that the hangover from over-indulging myself last night?

I agree and think this was the worst. Not only did 500,000 shares turn into 1/4 of a share the 2 ticker changes actualy made a 200.00 investment into a 240.00 loss. Glad I only put a few bucks into this one.


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PAVP/CDVJ
CSJJ
JRVR/C
Are definitely wayyyyyy up there on the scam-o-meter!
Sure... doesn't mean you can't/couldn't make money off of them...
But the CEOs lied and lied and lied and cheated, over and over and deserve some kind of punishment (that they will unfortunately never get
There's more of them (tons, actually!) out there... but those are the ones I got stuck on (screwed!!) after doing extensive research over many weeks.
With everybody and their grand-mother personally trading stocks these days, and sinking their savings in here.. the proliferation of these scammers will only continue and grow.
As an institutional broker was saying to my brother recently... there are no more patterns, no discernable trends... the good 'ol day of trading are over... just massive influx of (unexperienced) traders plugging money in the market. The best career brokers out there don't know the slightest about what's around the corner either.
It's a new reality.
Those on here who are 'making' it really have something. Cudos to them! Cheers and Happy New Year.
salemm.

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Ric,

I'm still holding a few shares and my breath on TFCT. They are "supposed" to be adding security and speed to the Prizewise site.

They really need to take it global--especially with the dollar being so low.


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PRRM is gonna go .........

"N-IT-4-DA-MINUTE"


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Yeap, I'm in on this one Monday also.

American Bulls just gave it a "Buy-If"
(Go to PRRM thread)

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PRRM is gonna go .........

"N-IT-4-DA-MINUTE"



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What makes you put PRRM and USCI
on your list?


quote:
Originally posted by Ric:
My pick of the year is AFRD for the biggest scam and loser.

Others:

GAWY
THTHF
USCI
PRRM
CSJJ
CDVJ
PABN


Any others I need to add.

Ric



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Ric
You forgot the BIGGEST ONE OF ALL!!
MASG MASG MASG MASG

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28 Dec 2004, 06:36 PM EST
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From the September 3, 2004 San Antonio Business Journal print edition:

Hot sparks are flying in Mooney litigation.

Reporter: Tamarind Phinisee

Contentious pleadings filed recently in U.S. Bankruptcy Court here in the case of a beleaguered aircraft manufacturer have now been laid on the steps of the U.S. Attorney's Office.

The case revolves around business transactions related to the bankruptcy of Kerrville-based Mooney Aircraft Corp, which filed for Chapter 11 protection in 2001.

Pleadings filed on July 28 by former Mooney Chairman Paul Dopp take issue with the handling of the Mooney bankruptcy case.

The pleadings allege that Advanced Aerodynamics & Structures Inc. (AASI), now known as Mooney Aerospace Group (MASG), engaged in criminal activity "prior to, during and following the sale" of Mooney's assets to AASI in the spring of 2002.

This activity, Dopp alleges in the court filing, "not only violated federal and state statutes but caused damages in excess of $20 million to the debtor's (Mooney's) estate and others."

A response filed with the court on Aug. 17 by J. Nelson Happy, Roy Norris (both of AASI) and LH Financial Services Corp. claims that Dopp's accusations are "slanderous" and "are little more than a repackaging of similar outlandish and unsupported allegations made and rejected in other federal district court litigation ... ."

The response also alleges that "Dopp is apparently angry over" the bankruptcy court's determination that "he was apparently not fit to operate the company in its bankruptcy case."

The pleadings ask for dismissal of Dopp's claims, reimbursement of all fees and costs incurred in having to respond, and injunctive relief preventing Dopp from making future filings.

In a ruling on Aug. 26, a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge here determined that the matter should be referred to the U.S. Attorney's Office for potential investigation.

The basics

According to Dopp's filing, just days after Mooney filed a bankruptcy reorganization plan on Nov. 26, 2001, a delegation from AASI -- including Happy -- expressed interest in purchasing Mooney's assets in Kerrville.

In December of that year, Dopp's filing alleges, "a meeting was held at Miami's Airport between Dopp and others claiming to represent AASI, including Happy, Roy Norris, Sam Rothman, Shalom Babad and Joseph Sarachek."

In this meeting, the filing contends, "Sarachek, president of Balfour Advisors of NYC, represented that he had very unique and personal relationships with Congress Financial, (Mooney's) controlling and largest secured creditor."

Also at this meeting, according to Dopp's court pleadings, AASI agreed to jointly participate in the reorganization plan that Mooney had filed in November and "a binding agreement was executed between the parties" on Dec. 28.

However, the response filed by Happy and his co-defendants argues that AASI had only entered into a "non-binding letter" of agreement with AVAQ Group Inc., Mooney's sole shareholder at the time. Dopp also was chairman of AVAQ.

Opposing view

The court pleadings filed by Happy further argue that "Dopp had no control" over Mooney because the bankruptcy court "had previously entered an order on Aug. 21, 2001, divesting (Dopp) of any managerial power or control over Mooney."

As a result, the reorganization plan filed by Dopp was "struck on Feb. 11, 2002, by the bankruptcy court" and "no joint venture agreement between AASI and AVAQ or Mooney was ever prepared," court documents state.

At that point, according to Happy's pleadings, AASI began looking at alternative methods to acquire Mooney's assets and later purchased the note and lien rights of Congress Financial, becoming Mooney's primary secured creditor.

The deal outlining the proposed sale of Mooney's assets, the pleadings contend, was filed and made public "to all creditors and other parties of interest as required. ...

After approval of the sale order, the transaction was closed" and AASI "restarted airplane manufacturing operations." Happy's court pleadings claim that "there has been no fraud."

In addition, the pleadings allege that Dopp is seeking "some money payment after refusing all settlement offers in the District Court litigation and then losing completely."

The other side

Dopp's pleadings in the case contend that Happy and AASI have perpetrated a fraud upon Mooney and its investors.

By way of example, Dopp, in his court pleadings, claims that two days prior to the Dec. 28 agreement, Happy listed in an e-mail his primary source of capital as "Bawag Bank of Austria."

The bank, Dopp alleges in the court filings, whose full name is Bank fur Arbeit und Wirtschaft AG, had been "previously mentioned in" U.S. and international media articles "regarding certain questionable activities ... ."

Dopp alleges in his pleadings that among those listed as "investing in AASI/MASG" from 2001 to 2003 were "diverse offshore tax-haven entities."

Furthermore, he charges in his filing that AASI's SEC Form SB-2, filed Dec. 12, 2001, listed AASI's total current and long-term lease obligations at about $10 million.

However, in the spring of 2004, Dopp's filing alleges, "an arbitrator and California judge ruled" that AASI/MASG owed approximately $24 million on "its defaulted Long Beach Airport leased premises."

On Jan. 30, 2002, Dopp contends in the court filing, AASI acquired Congress Financial's $13 million loan to Mooney and from that point on exercised "substantial control over the sale of the debtor's assets, while unilaterally denying any agreements with AVAQ and Dopp under the reorganization plan."

A few months later, in March, Dopp claims in his pleadings that AASI "agreed to purchase the assets of (Mooney) and ... deliberately conveyed worthless shares and notes to the debtor's estate."

The filing alleges that in the summer of 2003, L. Peter Larson, former CEO and CFO of AASI/MASG, told Dopp that he had resigned from his post in November 2002 because "he was concerned by what he believed to be money laundering activities being conducted by AASI/MASG investors at AASI/MASG."

Dopp's filing further alleges that on Sept. 12, 2003, Norris told Dopp that during his tenure at AASI/MASG and before his departure in August 2002 as the company's CEO that "Happy was at all times acting solely on instructions and orders of Bawag Bank's affiliate, LH Financial Services."

On May 28, 2004, the filing claims, the Superior Court of Los Angeles County entered a judgment for more than $23 million against AASI/MASG, in favor of AASI/MASG's former landlord, AP Long Beach Airport LLC, because of the company's "deliberate failure ... to recognize and provide appropriate reserves and to file the mandatory SEC disclosure statements required by statute."

A month later, Dopp claims in his court filing, Happy announced that MASG had "sold all the shares of its subsidiary, Mooney Airplane Company" to a "Swiss entity, Allen Holding & Finance Ltd." on the same day that the California superior court's judgment was announced.

Dopp says this was a "mysterious, hurriedly contrived sale of MASG's recently acquired Mooney assets ... ."

Dopp argues in court filings that the sale of the assets "deserves a thorough and complete investigation by the appropriate USA and international regulatory and enforcement agencies."

Daryl Fields, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in San


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Now PRRM lost alot of money for people last year. I think it will run soon in short term. I would play it quick, may run to .0009-.0011, get out quick. Please do not hold after it starts running, it will drop to fast when it retraces to get out. But saying that, its not that its a bad company, It just doesn't care for its stockholders. Dilution after dilution and thats why its at .0001 right now and not .01. A O/S of 41 Billion and a easy printing of share makes this a very short term hold. And when it does run it will drop back to .0001 just as quik as it goes up.Get out fast when it run. Take profit and run. ththf and qant are two others that are just like prrm. Give hope so they can sell new investor newly printed shares, dilute, then dilute again.

USCI on the other hand I don't see even moving. I have played this one and have researched it in depth. They went out of business once this year and opened back there doors with only 2 employees and thats the CEO/CFO. They put out a PR a couple months ago and no one has heard from them since. AS far as we know they put out PR in hopes to raise pps to dilute for there salary. The SEC temporay shut down of there trading last month for not filing what little paperwork a pinksheet has to that is also a big tell. We don't even know if they filed it still and may be shut down for good soon. This looks to be the next PABN that left there shareholders holding the bag when the all of the sudden announces selling all assets and remaining a shell only.

Ric


quote:
Originally posted by tyedye:
What makes you put PRRM and USCI
on your list?




[This message has been edited by Ric (edited January 03, 2005).]


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AFRD alert:

Everyone should watch out for them. They (AFRD) announced in a recent release that they plan a merger in near future. My guess this is so they can rename the corporation to a completely new name and get a new symbol that doesn't even start with AFR so they can start this scam over. If you paid much attention this last R/S is it didn't do well. In 2 months the stock was .13 after the 2000/1 R/S and plummetted from day one down to .0001. People are catching on and they have to do something to get back in under the radar soon or they will never make anymore money selling there bogus stock.

Ric


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LBTN - with a capital L for LOSER..LBTI to LBTN one for 150 reverse split. I want to throw up just thinking about it. Still holding the bag waiting for a uptrend to bail out.
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gzfx

bought at .165 in july

now its .014


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"what the matter ric not making money on them "

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAH LOLOLOL!!! Probably...


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Your an ass hole. Everyone here knows me and that I am giving good advice. What do you hold these and can't get rid of them like most, so you want to pump and dump on someone else, lol.


Don't you just love a newbie's who come in an attackes regulars who try to help.

Ric


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"what the matter ric not making money on them "

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAH LOLOLOL!!! Probably...


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usci is definitely a pig maybe someday if you pray real hard you might get lucky and make a profit but right now selling at even .0001 is impossible had a sell in for .0001 for 5 business days and no one is touching it.

cmkx thats another joke a scam company imo and afrd is a terrible company.

there are so many stocks out there that actually have real potential I cant see anyone speaking good about usci, cmkx or afrd unless they are stuck holding shares at a loss and trying to pump the stock so they can bail. I have been around allstocks for a couple years and I dont pump or bash I actually rarely take the time to give newbies advice like this but I just felt the need to come in and give my two cents worth.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ric:
AFRD alert:

Everyone should watch out for them. They (AFRD) announced in a recent release that they plan a merger in near future. My guess this is so they can rename the corporation to a completely new name and get a new symbol that doesn't even start with AFR so they can start this scam over. If you paid much attention this last R/S is it didn't do well. In 2 months the stock was .13 after the 2000/1 R/S and plummetted from day one down to .0001. People are catching on and they have to do something to get back in under the radar soon or they will never make anymore money selling there bogus stock.

Ric


Good post Ric. You can bet I'll stay on top of this no matter how they try to camoflague this scam and I'll follow the new listing like a hawk.

These idiots have got to be stopped and if the SEC won't, we posters here need to keep up with them if only to alert newbies about this sad, sad scam.

Personally I think we should all get a little extra back on our taxes every year as a rebate for the lack of support from the SEC. They are not doing what they were created to do, serve the public and watch over the market for scams, even if it is a pinkie.

If you rob a 7-11 for a few bucks you go to jail. How can they get away with taking millions of shares of stocks and not be held accountable? Answer that SEC.

The CEO of this scam company should count his blessings every day that I don't live within driving distance of his operations.

They won't answer e-mails or the phone. All you ever get is an answering maching. Looks a lot like a "back room" numbers racket me.

Dakota told you that......

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Walmart definitely walmart. lol
GZFX
CMKX
THTHF
made 3500 on ibzt so I can't call that one.

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RIC AFRD gotta be the biggest Loser and scam. If you click back on historical prices on Yahoo for AFRD you will see that adjusted the share price was over $1,000,000,000 three years ago. That seems wild but when you have successive 1000 for 1 R/s it adds up quicky.

Biggest SCAM will continue into 2005 - MLON
Time will bear out my prediction - seen to many traded thousand sof them - this one is setting itself up huge

quote:
Originally posted by Ric:
My pick of the year is AFRD for the biggest scam and loser.

Others:

GAWY
THTHF
USCI
PRRM
CSJJ
CDVJ
PABN


Any others I need to add.

Ric



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Are there any micro pennies that aren't scams? Read the Form 10-QSBs.


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AFRD (AFRT) now GMSV 2000 to 1 RS tomorrow, unreal that the SEC doesn't put these guys out of business.
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quote:
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AFRD (AFRT) now GMSV 2000 to 1 RS tomorrow, unreal that the SEC doesn't put these guys out of business.

stockguy - Where did you read this?

Mark


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Dakota - speak of the devil and it comes through. When I said the AFRD ALERT the other day I didn't think it was going to be this quick, lol. Spread the word, the scam has a new name and new victims to start 2005 with.


GMSV run don't hide. Stand up and warn new investors as a group so we are not labeled as bashers but helpers in stopping this scam.

Ric

quote:
Originally posted by Dakota:
Good post Ric. You can bet I'll stay on top of this no matter how they try to camoflague this scam and I'll follow the new listing like a hawk.

These idiots have got to be stopped and if the SEC won't, we posters here need to keep up with them if only to alert newbies about this sad, sad scam.

Personally I think we should all get a little extra back on our taxes every year as a rebate for the lack of support from the SEC. They are not doing what they were created to do, serve the public and watch over the market for scams, even if it is a pinkie.

If you rob a 7-11 for a few bucks you go to jail. How can they get away with taking millions of shares of stocks and not be held accountable? Answer that SEC.

The CEO of this scam company should count his blessings every day that I don't live within driving distance of his operations.

They won't answer e-mails or the phone. All you ever get is an answering maching. Looks a lot like a "back room" numbers racket me.

Dakota told you that......


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DO I win NOW???

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Originally posted by MELON:
RIC AFRD gotta be the biggest Loser and scam. If you click back on historical prices on Yahoo for AFRD you will see that adjusted the share price was over $1,000,000,000 three years ago. That seems wild but when you have successive 1000 for 1 R/s it adds up quicky.
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Biggest SCAM will continue into 2005 - MLON
Time will bear out my prediction - seen to many traded thousand sof them - this one is setting itself up huge</b>
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Originally posted by Ric:
My pick of the year is AFRD for the biggest scam and loser.

Others:

GAWY
THTHF
USCI
PRRM
CSJJ
CDVJ
PABN


Any others I need to add.

Ric



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