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Originally posted by CB:
last sale 100000 @ .0027

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Thats a 4 point loss in 15 minutes from last sale of .0031 to the first sale of .0027 ..... Todays climb was 8 points this now a 50% loss @ a 4 point drop..

Edit :..> I ment to edit my last post not to quote it..Any way I'm not bashing this play what so ever,so those of you investors good luck.All I was saying was that it was to rich for my in @ the present 8 point up.I know nothing abought the stock and I don't just jump right into things....CB

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Originally posted by CB:
Thats a 4 point loss in 15 minutes from last sale of .0031 to the first sale of .0027 ..... Todays climb was 8 points this now a 50% loss @ a 4 point drop..

Edit :..> I ment to edit my last post not to quote it..Any way I'm not bashing this play what so ever,so those of you investors good luck.All I was saying was that it was to rich for my in @ the present 8 point up.I know nothing abought the stock and I don't just jump right into things....CB

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Originally posted by gmoney:
if you know nothing of the stock how could you say it is too high? Secondly, since you don't know of CTKH I suggest you do some of your own DD or check the many previous threads on its run ups.

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I don't have to know anything of the stock what goes up must come down...read the charts.....this thing has no room to sustane that kinda buy climb,this thing has not run 8 points in a day and main tained for how long if ever!

Edit:..> Secondly I said its To HIGH for ME" and I was RIGHT"! and I'm not interested in its past runUPs i'm interested in todays market place...

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Originally posted by Forrestgump:
MM's signal we going up!

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Originally posted by Forrestgump:
500 or 5000 traded shares mean gap one way or the other, usually in the direction of the 500 or 5000 trade.

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From: "R......." <roundmot@c...>
Date: Tue May 25, 2004 1:47 pm
Subject: This is long as usual but worth it, I hope....


the short story is that I am prepared to state that I believe that as
of 4/1/04 the:

Authorized Shares = 10,005,000,000
Outstanding Shares = 1,248,000,000
Float = 1,243,000,000
Market Capitalization = $2,870,000,000

Here is my reaoning if you are interested. If you can wade through it
I would be interested in any responses, positive or negative. TIA

On 10/8/02, CTKT announced that they had secured a license with
Motorola Inc. to produce and use Carbon Nanotube Triode (CNT)
technology. (Source: BUSINESS WIRE)

According to the PR Cetek had pursued a significant R&D (research and
development) effort over the previous five years to produce a ceramic
substrate that was flat, smooth and of large surface area, and with
specific mechanical and electrical characteristics. Simultaneously,
Motorola carried out a significant R&D effort to develop CNT (Carbon
Nanotube Triode) technology (using CTKH's substrates) and demonstrated
that optimum CNT performance demanded ceramic substrate produced by
Cetek. The combination of the two proprietary technologies and
processes produced a high quality and inexpensive flat panel display
product. As of the PR date, all required research and development on
that part of the project had been successfully completed. Prototype
displays had been produced at Motorola's Phoenix facility. As a direct
result, Fayiz announced that the company was seeking funding to
establish a facility in the United States. And through affiliation,
partnering and strategic alliance, two additional production
facilities in the Far East were to be established.

At that time, Fayiz, stated, "This agreement has been a long time in
coming to fruition, and we are extremely pleased to have achieved this
major milestone for Cetek. We expect to move very quickly, with regard
to the production facilities, to take full advantage of the massive
worldwide market. This joint agreement with Motorola should lead to an
enormous rate of growth of CNT production in the coming years."

"In a related announcement," Hilal announced that the company had
retained Harry Zhang, head of CVP (China Venture Partners) of
Flushing, N.Y., as advisor and consultant. Obviously, the purpose of
the venture partners was to open the two production facilities in the
Far East.

October 14, 2002 Cetek, in an article by Michael Pastore, entitled
"Motorola Sign Pact for Display Technology," Fayiz told
Nanoelectronics Planet that Cetek would be manufacturing displays,
then selling them to other electronics companies, who would in turn
market them to consumers under various brand names.

In anticipation of needing even more funds down the line to accomplish
all that their goals, a week later, on 10/16/02, Cetek announced that
the company's board of directors had approved a stock repurchase
program. This program, which was to begin the next day would allow for
up to 500 million shares to be bought over an unspecified time period.
This would have a three-fold affect. First, the mere announcement
would strengthen the pps. The actual buyback would strenthen it even
more, and thirdly, the company would then be able to sell more shares
at the higher pps.

As further preparation to meet the need, on 12/11/2002, CTKH got
authorization to issue 2 billion shares of Class A Common Stock with
voting rights, 1 billion shares of Class B Common Stock with NO voting
right, and 5 million shares of Series A Preferred Stock with dividend
rights equal to the dividends due to Common shares. And in
anticipation of selling all of the shares, and thereby possibly being
out voted in a business meeting, the Fayiz made sure that, "Each
holder of Series A Preferred Stock shall be entitleld to six hundred
twenty five (625) votes for each share of Series A Preferred Stock
held at the record date for the determination of stockholders entitled
to vote..." So now we know how Fayiz can pass anything that he wants,
anytime he wants. LOL (My source is the actual document called a
"Certificate of Amendment" date stamped by the Delaware Secretary of
State on 12/19/2002. I have a copy available for any who desire it.)

Then for reasons unknown, the venture capital deal and the MOT deal
both fell through.

On 12-23-02, the company announced a 150 to 1 reverse split that
affected ONLY common stock. (Source: Business Wire news release,
"Cetek Technologies Board Approves 500 Million Share Stock Repurchase
Program.") What do you want to bet that Fayiz, et al, were holding a
total of 5 million shares of Series A Preferred Stock by that time
(with 625 votes each compared to only 1 vote each for us commoners)?

2 billion Class A Common shares reduced by 150 to 1 r/s would
leave........................... 13,333,334 shares.
1 billion Class B Common shares reduced by 150 to 1 r/s would
leave........................... 6,666,667 shares.
5 million shares of Series A Preferred Stock not reduced at all by the
150 to 1 r/s would leave 5,000,000 shares.
That means that after the r/s there was a total
of............................................ 25,000,000 shares
outstanding.

According to the 12-23-02 news release just cited, the Outstanding
Shares were reduced to less than 25 million shares by the r/s. So I
think that it is safe to assume that at the time of the r/s the Class
A authorization had been maxxed out and the Class B authorization was
nearly maxxed out.

Sometime in early 2003, prior to 6/10/03, exact date unknown, the
company got authorization to issue an additional 2 billion shares of
Common Stock. What do you want to bet that it was all Class A stock?

On April 5,2003, Fayiz issued a PR in which he stated that "A
substantial effort has been expended to raise the capital needed for
setting up the prototype facility. Much positive feedback, many
meetings, and in depth discussions with potential funding sources is
in progress. Raising funds is a very complex activity and the level of
complexity determines the timeline. I welcome all input and
contributions in this regard. Notwithstanding this effort, the
management is taking additional steps to move this project forward
such as discussing the possibilities of making some prototypes in a
University laboratory."

Presumably, one method of raising funds was through the sale of Common
Stock. On 8/20/03 at the shareholders' meeting Fayiz announced that
there were less than 500 million shares outstanding (Source: wm0767's
RB post 102) So the company had sold approximately 475,000,000 shares
of common stock between January and August of 2003.

It was at that meeting that Fayiz reportedly let it be known that the
company needed approximately $2,000,000, to meet their production
goals for the year. (Source:RB poster "magic1usa" Post 4247, on 05 Dec
2003)

By 11/11/03, according to PinkSheets.com, there were 740,000,000
shares Outstanding.

The pps at that time was hovering between .0002 - .0003, as I recall.
Therefore, at that rate, the company only raised somewhere between
$48,000 and $72,000 from the sale of their stock between August and
November, 2003.

But then the run of December 2003 started. It was then, on 12/19/2003,
that Fayiz jumped on the opportunity to profit from the run and he
filed a new Certificate of Amendment with the Delaware Secretary of
State, which increased the Authorize Shares to 9 billion shares of
Class A Common Stock with voting rights, 1 billion shares of Class B
Common Stock with NO voting right, and 5 million shares of Series A
Preferred Stock with dividend rights equal to the dividends due to
Common shares. BUT, are you ready for this, "Each holder of Series A
Preferred Stock shall be entitleld to two thousand (2000) votes for
each share of Series A Preferred Stock held at the record date for the
determination of stockholders entitled to vote..." LOL. That certainly
answers my question about how they could pass thing without notifying
us. ROTFL at us.

About a month ago, Jim Stock dropped someone on the RB board the hint
that the O/S was, "considerably above the 740 million quoted by
PinkSheets.com.

My own estimates were that by November 2003 the company needed to
raise the remainder of the $2,000,000. And at an average price in
December and January of around .004, I figured that they would have to
sell around 500,000,000 shares.

That brings us up to yesterday, when robotlol posted his www.knobias.com statement that the Outstanding Shares was
1,248,000,000 as of 4/4/04.
(Source: Company Mgmt).

Well, if you add my 500,000,000 estimate to the 740,000,000 shares
from PinkSheets.com's 11/11/03 statement, you get 1.240,000,000 share.

Now only 5,000,000 shares of that are the Series A Preferred Stock
held by the insiders. That would mean that the float as of 4/1/04 was
1,243,000,000 share.

2.) Float
Currently estimated 250 Million in Float

3.) Are you considering anything with Homeland Security regarding food
/water safety?
Not at the present time.
4.) Do you have enough cash, or cash flow to finance any expansions for
the balance of 2004?
We are currently trying to raise some funds for expansions. We are
also negotiating with another company with sufficient funding to do a joint venture which will provide the opportunity for the company to expand.
5.) How do you get financing for new projects and ventures?

6.) I see reverse split in, Jan 2004, 1 for 100 and Sept. 2003 1 for 800,then a company name change in Sept. 2003. Why were these actions taken?
First split was to acquire a shell, second split was when I
personally took a role in the company to try to build it. Our patent-pending process is the same as e-food safety (OTC:EFSF) we have the rights to distribute in Canada and Internationally.
7.) When do you expect the LOI (s), to become completed deals?
We are hoping to have distribution setup over the next few months,
and also have our joint Venture setup to feed our distribution
8.) The radio frequency identification tag is a great idea. Do you
have a plan to market it?
DTG industries have cancelled their relationship with Data technology group, however we are still working with Mr. Westwater and the marketing plan will be dependent on their direction.

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Originally posted by gmoney:
Will, I'm looking for financials on FSIJ can you post a link on this thread?

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From: "R......" <roundmot@c...>
Date: Wed May 26, 2004 12:06 pm
Subject: Just talked to Jim Stock

He called me from Portland, Oregon. He has made a special trip to
Protland to talk to Robert Laskowski (CTKH's attorney) Jim said that
he will have an answer from CTKH about my letter within 24 hours.

Of course I will inform the board of all I learn.

Cetek Technologies, Inc.
C/O National Corporate Research, Ltd.
615 South Dupont Highway
Dover, DE 19901

Attn: Mr. Fayiz Hilal

Dear Sir,

It has come to my attention that under Delaware corporate law, under
which jurisdiction Cetek Technologies is incorporated, "any stockholder,
in person or by attorney or other agent, shall, upon written demand
under oath stating the purpose thereof, have the right during the usual
hours for business to inspect for any proper purpose, and to make copies
and extracts from: (1) The corporation's stock ledger, a list of its
stockholders, and its other books and records." Therefore, as a
shareholder of over 1.8 million shares of CTKH common stock, it is my
intention to have my agent in Dover, Delaware, or Poughkeepsie, NY, take
the necessary steps to acquire the following information from your company:

A copy of the corporation's stock ledger
A current list of the shareholders of record
A copy of any records showing the number of Authorized Shares
A copy of any records showing the number of Outstanding Shares
A copy of any records showing the number of shares contained in the float
A copy of the financial statement for the year 2003
A copy of the corporation's current Constitution and By-laws

I am writing you to inform you that it is my intention to take all
necessary legal steps at my disposal to gain access to the above
information. The purpose of my letter is to make one last appeal to you
on a good faith basis to see if we can resolve this issue without the
need for such legal action.

As a publicly traded corporation, you have the legal obligation to
release the above. And no doubt, I will prevail in the matter. The law
is clear and unavoidable on this issue. However, I would prefer that
you take the higher ground on this matter, and voluntarily disclose the
information without further delay.

I will delay further action regarding the matter until Monday, May 24,
2004, to give you adequate time to reply.

Sincerely,

Richard XXXXXX
XXXX X. XXXXXXX XX.
Mesa, AZ XXXXX-XXXX
(XXX) XXX-XXXX - voice
(XXX) XXX-XXXX - cell
XXX@XXXXXXX.com

CC: Jim Stock
Robert Laskowski

May 14, 2004

Cetek Technologies, Inc.
19 Commerce St.
Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-2608

Attn: Mr. Fayiz Hilal

Re: Request for disclosure of certain financial and other information pertaining
to Cetek Technologies, Inc. (CTKH).

Dear Sir,

It was with great sadness that I read your response to my letter of May 11,
2004, conveyed to me via e-mail from Mr. Robert C. Laskowski, Attorney at law.
It was my sincere hope, as stated in that letter, that you would recognize your
legal and moral obligation to provide your stockholders with the basic
information requested. It is obvious from your response that you do not yet
understand that one of the basic principals that applies to a "publicly" traded
company is that certain things must be made public.

I was disheartened to find that as CEO of CTKH, you have decided to force your
stockholders to take extraordinary steps to gain access to what the law clearly
says is theirs to have. In my opinion, you have done yourself and your company a
disservice. You were given the opportunity to voluntarily respond to our
reasonable request, and thereby strengthen the natural relationship that exists
between you and the stockholders who have faithfully committed their moneys into
your fiduciary care. But you chose not to avail yourself of that opportunity.

Therefore, as per your request, according to Section 220(b), of the Delaware
Business Corporation Act, under which jurisdiction Cetek Technologies is
incorporated, "any stockholder, in person or by attorney or other agent, shall,
upon written demand under oath stating the purpose thereof, have the right
during the usual hours for business to inspect for any proper purpose, and to
make copies and extracts from: (1) The corporation's stock ledger, a list of its
stockholders, and its other books and records." Therefore, as a stockholder of
CTKH's common stock, proof of which ownership is attached, I hereby request the
following:

* A copy of the corporation's current stock ledger
* A copy of any records showing the number of current Authorized shares
* A copy of any records showing the number of current Outstanding Shares
* A copy of any records showing the number of shares currently contained in the
float
* A copy of the financial statement for the year 2003
* A copy of the financial statement for the Quarter ending March 31,2004
* A copy of the corporation's current Constitution and By-laws
The purpose of my request for the above is to obtain information to protect my
economic interest in CTKH, and to determine, to my satisfaction, that you and
the CTKH board of directors are performing your duties in a manner consistent
with my needs as a stockholder.

I also hereby request the following:

A current list of the stockholders of record

As required by Rule 14a-7(c), I hereby state that the purpose of my request for
the above list of stockholders is to solicit proxies from other stockholders,
which proxies I intend to exercise in the next stockholders' meeting, the exact
time and location of which has yet to be announced by CTKH management. I
understand, and agree, that I may not use the list for any other purpose. And
further, that I may not disclose any information from the list to anyone other
than to effectuate the above state purpose. And further, that as per Rule
14a-7(d), I must return the list to the company upon termination of my
solicitation of the stockholders listed thereon, and I may not retain any
copies.

Please be advised that it is my intention to take all necessary legal steps at
my disposal to gain access to the above information, including if necessary,
appeal to the Delaware Court of Chancery for an order to compel you to comply
with my reasonable requests.

I have no doubt; I will prevail in the matter in the Court of Chancery if I am
forced to make such an appeal. However, it is not my desire to unnecessarily
inconvenience you or your company by my requests. Therefore I would agree to
forgo all further action on the matter, if you will agree to voluntarily and
publicly disclose the following information without further delay.

* A copy of any records showing the number of current Authorized Shares
* A copy of any records showing the number of current Outstanding Shares
* A copy of any records showing the number of shares currently contained in the
float
* A copy of the financial statement for the year 2003
* A copy of the financial statement for the Quarter ending March 31,2004
* A copy of the corporation's current Constitution and By-laws

I will delay further action regarding the matter until Monday, May 24, 2004, to
give you adequate time to reply.

Sincerely,

Richard Dunlap

XXXX X. XXXXXXX XX.
Mesa, AZ XXXXX-XXXX
(XXX) XXX-XXXX - voice
(XXX) XXX-XXXX - cell
XXX@XXXXXXX.XXX

CC:
E-mails to:
Jim Stock
Robert C. Laskowski, Attorney at Law

Hard copy to:
National Corporate Research, Ltd.

Posted on Raging Bull CTKH Bulletin Board

Here's another good letter that was sent to FH by RoundM. Maybe he took this letter into consideration huh?

Dear Mr. Hilal,

This will be my last correspondence with you. And I will comply with your
request not to post my DD reports. But frankly, I am shocked and disappointed
at the request. I dare say you have seldom had a more devoted stockholder. I
own 1.8 million shares of CTKH stock. And I planned on adding more. No one has
been more impressed with you our your company than I. And no one has been more
convinced than I that you can have great success in the not too distant future.
But for the very first time, your e-mail and yesterday's phone conversation
have caused me to wonder if I am invested in the right stock. For the first
time, I am truly negative about this position.

A few weeks ago, someone on the Raging Bull bulletin board posted something
about how frequently companies that invent a product never get it to market.
They invent it, perfect it, introduce it to the world, even get others involved
in R & D to perfect various applications using it, but they don't know how to
promote themselves so that they are the ones who benefit from all of their hard
work. In the end someone else comes along who is an expert at marketing and
public relations, and makes millions with the idea. In my opinion that is a
picture of where CTKH could easily end up under your Public Relations
leadership.

You are a scientific genius. No one can take that away from you. You have
gathered around yourself some brilliant people. You have perfected a process
that the entire world needs. And you have led your company through some terrible
times. I believe that the only reason CTKH is viable today is because of your
leadership. BUT, in my opinion, you are not qualified to be your own PR
representative.

When it comes to basic information about CTKH, you are the most paranoid person
I have talked to in years. You hide behind the SEC and the idea that anything
you say could be construed as pump and dump, or that it can be used by your
competition. And then of course, there is the buyback. We wouldn't want to do
anything to make that more expensive. But the truth is, there is no legitimate
reason why you cannot reveal the float or O/S or A/S, or tell the shareholders
your actual sales figures instead of percentages, or what your debt load is, or
what your profits are, or what your primary source of income is, or even who
your customers are. Contrary to your stated concerns, not one single bit of
that information can be used against you by your competition, and not one single
bit of it would be objected to by the SEC or construed as pump and dump by
anyone. Period. There are tens of thousands of companies on the stock market
that regularly share all of that information with their shareholders. And
rather than hurting them, it strengthens them. You say that your attorney has
put the limits on you, but frankly, I believe you have found that to be another
convenient hiding place.

As I said in a previous e-mail, that you apparently did not read, your entire
industry knows what you make and who you are working with. The company in the UK
that is using your furnaces for instance, undoubtedly has told their entire
industry that they have your equipment. I dare say they have even published it
in a trade journal and told every single one of their shareholders. But you
insist on keeping it secret from yours, even though doing so has suppressed your
own share prices. In our conversation yesterday evening, you said that you
plan on releasing specifics sometime in the future. But, I believe that the
evidence shows that long after the buyback is complete, we will still see one PR
report after another that requires us to read between the lines.

In my humble opinion, you have lost all sense of objectivity on the subject. You
can no longer distinguish between the information your competition can use
against you, and the information your shareholders must have to remain loyal.
You seem to think they are one and the same. Therefore, in my opinion, you are
desperately in need of an expert PR representative who can remain objective, and
has your permission to share real information. Jim Stock tries his best, but
most of the time, he is guessing. You keep him almost as uninformed as you do
us.

When I talked to you in December of last year, you told me that you were three
years ahead of the competition. However, we both know that it is just a matter
of time before someone else stumbles across the Cetek Process, or develops one
of their own, or simply bypasses ceramic substrates entirely by inventing
something brand new that works just as good. In my humble layman's opinion,
when that happens, Cetek cannot afford to be a sub-penny stock. Right now, you
and companies like IBM, Motorola, Sony, Samsung and all the others are pretty
much equal in this nano race. Anyone of you can win. Little companies like
yours have as good of a chance as the big boys. And in fact, in this one area,
you are ahead, for now. But when they begin to catch up with you, you must be a
serious player at that time, or your little company will simply become a
footnote in the history of the nanotech revolution.

You think you understand that. And no doubt, you are offended that I would
suggest that you do not. But all of your actions in the last year or so prove
that you do not. It is clear that you believe that all you need to do is be the
first on the market with the your substrate, and get enough people to use it so
that you can keep your niche. Toward that end, you are doing all that you can
to keep your competition from stealing your ideas. But that isn't going to be
enough. Someone is going to come up with an idea that works as good as your. It
is a virtual certainty. It is only a matter of time. When that happens, the
one with the strongest company will win. And in this race, the winner takes
all, and the loser gets nothing. Therefore, in my opinion, you must embrace the
idea that your shareholders hold the real key to your future success. Without
us, you are just another company with a good idea. If you do not take my advice
and hire a PR expert very soon, I predict that in the end your business plan
will ultimately fail. I will go further and say, that if you do not take my
advice, you will see the day once again when CTKH will be just another special
order machine shop.

Very Sincerely,

Thanks to this dude, Passage.rm!!!!

--- In pennyfever@yahoogroups.com, "passage.rm" <passage@r...> wrote:
> hey guys,
>
> i bought http://www.cetekinfo.com so we could build a public face
> for the promotion of our little company... i want to post links,
> some PRs and some DD (all factual)...
>
> this way we could use it to direct people people from the outside
to
> what we are all about... from there we'll get info out to the
people
> and give out places to get more DD...
>
> is this cool with y'all?
>
> give me a day or two to put it together, then i will show it to
> y'all and maybe get a few suggestions...
>
> talk soon! great board round!
>
>

LetMeKnowItToo @ Pennyfever

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Originally posted by Che:
Here's another development. Somebody bought the rights for www.cetekinfo.com. It's being planned to be the center for all pertinent DD's, photos, etc.

Thanks to this dude, Passage.rm!!!!

--- In pennyfever@yahoogroups.com, "passage.rm" <passage@r...> wrote:
> hey guys,
>
> i bought http://www.cetekinfo.com so we could build a public face
> for the promotion of our little company... i want to post links,
> some PRs and some DD (all factual)...
>
> this way we could use it to direct people people from the outside
to
> what we are all about... from there we'll get info out to the
people
> and give out places to get more DD...
>
> is this cool with y'all?
>
> give me a day or two to put it together, then i will show it to
> y'all and maybe get a few suggestions...
>
> talk soon! great board round!
>
> :)

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Looking forward also to your new website and I know this company will make all of us alot of Money.

Trish0949 AKA LetMeKnowItToo

Definitely, Pennyfever is the board anyone needs to be on if they own CTKH or even more so if they are planning on owning it long term (which I am). RB is the pits, even though I did read it daily, thank goodness I did or I would have never gotten on Pennyfever, but when Round started Pennyfever, I was right behind him. He was the perfect person to start the board. And what makes it even better is that no one has to be bothered now with bashers interfering and keeping everyone upset. I, for one finally got to the point I would just iggy all of them. That way I could stay focused on CTKH and not be bashed out of my CTKH shares. The group has really worked so much harder and accomplished so much more than we did on RB. Everything Roundmot does is so professional and his letters are awesome.

Looking forward also to your new website and I know this company will make all of us alot of Money.

Trish0949 AKA LetMeKnowItToo

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Originally posted by Che:
Trish, the letter can be view at the "Files" section. If you scan your monitor, just underneath the Yahoo BillPay commercial, is where all the neat stuff that roundmots compiled about cetek..pics, past dd's, etc.
I hope to see the rest of the guys from allstock at pennyfever@yahoo. If you got money invested on ctkh, pennyfever's for you, right Trish?

Monxing@pennyfever.

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