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Hey Tex, I started this thread just so I didn't gum up my thread. We can delete it everntually.

Just wanted to say, Howdy partner!

I also felt like a laugh, and am curious on a few things mentioned below.


I noticed that the CSHD thread lives on.

geez...

Got CMKX, QBID, PLNI, GTEL, WGLE?

I haven't been following much of the drama stocks in a few years. Has anything new developed in any of these?

I did look up Globetel the other day. I noticed that indictments have finally started rolling. I guess all it took was for them to move to the AMEX to get noticed by the SEC.

World Golf League - Funniest thing I saw a few months back. I was flipping channels and noticed The Million Dollar Shootout on the Golf Channel. LOL, too bad the CEO diluted + R/S'ed the stock to be worth just about nothing.

Gotta love those OTC's that are founded in states lacking regulations on the maximum number of shares a company may issue.

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Don't forget MAMG, WNSH.PK, GRYF.PK!!!!!

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Winsted Holdings. lol yup. Stupid scams...

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Drink up.....

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Also MSITF.PK,,,,

Who are some of the new scammers???

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No clue here.

been playin' around big boards.

Gotta run into town, be back later on.

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How about the ones we played around with that have turned out good...

GIGM at .75 cents a share

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I don't remember half of them.

I was scammed in the early going on some of these, as most of us have.

Shoot, 95%+ or so of the pinks and bb's are scams. Not sure of the exact percentage, I believe that it is actually higher than 95%.

Anyone wanna research that one?

Gotta run. C-ya later on.

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if most of the pinks are scams how do they get away with it
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i take it good lfe china is also a scam sounds to good to be true to me all the press realises
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quote:
Originally posted by steve1404:
if most of the pinks are scams how do they get away with it

Who is regulating them?

The SEC might step into a pinksheet to investigate, if the right pressure is placed on their arm to do so. Chances are the scammer gets away with it do to lack of regulations, and folks caring enough to do something about it in the penny wasteland. Even when folks try to do something, it is usually too late.

Even CSHD, an OTCBB at the time, we'll take a look at for instance. I remember about two years ago when I was researching some of the false claims made by the CEO over internet radio. This was the most amuzing scam that I can remember next to QBID and CMKX(especially when we took a look at the pictures on the "company" website, what a hoot that was!) Anyway, CSHD, a year+ later, finally saw its day in court. Maybe if they didn't provoke TDAmeritrade, they would still be trading today? Who knows...

Well, even in the big boards there are scams, less of them of course, but nonetheless there are scams. Many people are willing to risk their future freedoms in order to make a buck in this industry due to the chances of getting caught are so slim the farther down the penny food chain we travel.

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The SEC might step into a pinksheet to investigate, if the right pressure is placed on their arm to do so. Chances are the scammer gets away with it do to lack of regulations and folks caring enough to do something about it in the penny wasteland.

it appears to depend on the scam.

BCIT is a three year old story whereby Mario Pino counterfeited and sold about 200,000,000 shares of company that had an OS of 4 million.

then the MM's or the hedges or the borkers or most likely a combination of the three dumped at least another 400 million naked shorts into the market bringing the "float" to something like a billion shares...

after two full years? the SEC finally filed a formal complaint against Mario

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2008/comp20466.pdf

they also "accepted" a plea deal from his (apparently) lone accomplice:

On February 25, the Commission issued an Order Instituting Administrative and Cease-and Desist Proceedings, Making Findings, and Imposing Remedial Sanctions and a Cease-and-Desist Order Pursuant to Section 8A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Sections 17A(c) and 21C of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (Order) as to Pamela J. Thompson. The Order finds that, in April and May 2005, Thompson prepared false BCIT documents, including counterfeit stock certificates, while knowing she did not have the proper authority. Thompson is a resident of Phoenix, Arizona. During June and July 2005, Thompson received and sold two million shares of fraudulent BCIT stock, earning profits of $7,632.
http://www.sec.gov/news/digest/2008/dig022608.htm

her punishment is a JOKE... she was told to disgorge the 7grand and nothing else (so far). she can't be a transfer agent? LOL so what..

C. Respondent Thompson shall, within ten days of the entry of this Order, pay disgorgement of $7,632 and prejudgment interest of $830.82 to the United States Treasury. If timely payment is not made, additional interest shall accrue pursuant to SEC Rule of Practice 600. Such payment shall be: (A) made by United States postal money o

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2008/33-8899.pdf


the stock has been untradable since Sept of '05...

there's a shareholder meeting today to try to get it trading again, but nobody is expecting much...

it took a long campaign of letter writing to elected officials and a shareholder lawsuit by the copany to finally get the SEC to file the charges against Mario..

anybody who's followed the penny market since '04 would be familiar with all the times Mario scammed people, but it took outright counterfeiting to "get" him....

IMO? the SEC's general attitude is that if you are going to play a stock under $5 and it's not listed on the Q or on the NY? you are taking the risk all to yourself...

thru the course of following the BCIT saga i've learned that the SEC files alot of charges against "shady" traders that they LOSE.

and even when they "win" their case? the shareholders rarely recover anything.

the weird part about not recovering moneys is that the Fair Funds Recovery program appears to be cash heavy, and yet people still don't seem to get compensated:

Provision introduced in 2002, under Section 308(a) of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Fair Funds for Investors was put into place to benefit those investors who have lost money because of the illegal or unethical activities of individuals or companies that violate securities regulations. Essentially, this provision enabled the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to add civil money penalties to disgorgement funds for the relief of the victims of stock swindles.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fairfundsforinvestors.asp

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the SEC's general attitude is that if you are going to lay a stock under $5 and not listed on the Q on the NY? you are taking the risk all to yourself...


I Agree. Like most government agencies, overworked and understaffed seems to be the norm...

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one thing i've learned about catching scammers that might help everybody is that the

PCAOB

http://www.pcaobus.org/

acts on tips and acts alot faster than the SEC.

they oversee the Auditors, and if you read SEC filings? they are reviewed and signed by Auditors.

my experience with them is that they respond within a week and i've seen ammended filings appear within a month after alerting them to seeing "abnormalities" in filin's [Wink]

had i known about them when FHAL posted the SEC filing showing the 7 billion$ in assets? i bet it would have been shut down before it hit 1.50...

i'm sorry i didn't know sooner, but i know now...

and now, so do you [Wink]

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Good to know.

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now, if we could just shake the "Fair Funds Tree" for some of the money people lost on CSHD... the SEC needs to finish what they started...

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releasing frozen funds on BHUB would be easy enough...

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BCIT vote carries, all motions:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=29745724

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yeah, no shock there.

it all comes down to the integrity of the CEO (what's new) does ha have a biz plan beyond P&D?

in BCIT? i think we have a better than usual chance he does, but we won't know anything till he PR's it.
they say an 8K is all ready to go, so we wait.

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I've been reading up on the CSHD thread yesterday and today. Got up to page 23.

I scanned the newest pages and noticed that a wonderful upstanding citizen is missing. (snicker)

I guess I didn't need to reply to him...

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there's not much news there.

the "main thing" that still bothers me about CSHD (other than the losses) is that the SEC filed the court papers and Rufufu didn't respond in an appropriate way, so the SEC SEEMS to me to be willing to call that a victory and let it lie right there...

that brings US to the issue of the SEC's (supposed) mission, which is ostensibly to protect investors.

IMO? they aren't protecting investors by just puncturing the "bubble" and forcing a co's stock down to the value it should be "in their opinion"... they are only protecting FUTURE investors, not th current investors.

the act of protecting the investors should (IMO) be to follow thru with appropriate findings and forcing disgorgement in cases where they can show violations. there were obviously some severe violations in this, but it appears that Rufufu was played by insiders as the "perfect patsy"...

i gave up following all the details after i saw that the SEC seemed content with Rufufu's failure to properly defend himself. the shareholders deserved better, and the SEC should recognize that.

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at least i gmy money back out of good life china wll do more reasearch next time
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True G.

It's hard to say who the SEC is supposed to be protecting after this mess.

Hopefully they will see this through to the end, and provide all with some piece of mind that there is someone looking out for the common penny-stock investor.

The main problem that needs to be addressed to me is this.

What can the SEC do to be pro-active rather than reactive? This means from the big boards on down the line.

I guess it all goes back to the SEC being understaffed and overworked. It seems as if there's always an excuse, no matter who's in charge.

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One possible solution:

Leave it to state attorney generals offices to monitor SEC Filings for big board companies. Kinda like good 'ole "plank in da eyeball" Spitzer.

Then, turn the SEC loose to go after pennyworld exclusively.


Now, I need someone to fire a torpedo at this scenario, or offer up some sort of reasoning if and how this could work.

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many BCIT'ers have turned to AG's in the course of the play.

they all seemed to stop at some point, we assume cuz they got to the Feds who told them to.

look what happened to Spitzer...

i'm not defending him, but what he did wasn't that bigga deal and how he got caught was odd to say the least.

some Fed noticed that he was moving funds around in his accounts that were below the 10K$ mandatory reporting threshold and they began to follow the money trail... that is not supposed to happen. they basically went snooping where they didn't "belong".

it is not clear to me whether the new patriot act allows them to do this or not, but the fact is nobody in their right mind thinks Spitzer is involved in terrorist activities, which is what the Patriot act was supposedly designed to go after.

so? let's assume they are allowed to look at whatever bank records they want to now because of the patriot act? why were they inspecting Spitzers accounts? noit because he's a terror suspect...
cuz he pizzed off the wrong people? yup, But those people are not US Govt Civil Servants now are they? nope, they are people who make more in one week than most civil servants... i wouldn't mind knowing what the "bonus" was to the guy that found the transactions...

Spitzer was born wealthy, so it's not like he was spending his kids college money to get laid... somehting in all of that was a signal to anybody that "steps outa line"....

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biggest scam ckys.pk and igss.pk
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quote:
Originally posted by money 76:
biggest scam ckys.pk and igss.pk

what'd they do?

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Nice point.

Stupid AG's hidin' bones...

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IDGI might be a nice quick play there...

I am trying to figure that one out. Upon first glance, it appears to be a scam.

A real pinksheet company should look to get off the pinksheets and onto the Nasdaq or some higher exchange if truly looking to benefit shareholders. By doing a 3:1 F/S at under a buck, this move doesn't benefit shareholders.

The "company" announces a 3:1 F/S and the pps remains stable for a couple of days before tanking. The "company" announces the date of June 9th for the effective day of the F/S.

The stock tanks, making me think that the "company" may have dumped a bunch of shares onto the market, after all, it is a pinksheet that wants folks to believe that it is filing all documents with the SEC.

The "company" announces the effective date, in hopes of keeping shareholder interest in the F/S while unloading the wagon onto the market, making a ton of cash in the process. It sure would be nice to know the A/S + O/S. Not what the "company" claims as the share count, but the actual count.

Guess what!! The "company" rescinded the F/S?!?!

Now, all the suckers that held through the dump, are getting stuck holdin' the bag, with no extra shares to show for their devotion.

I am offering up my thoughts on this stock only. If anyone has any solid evidence, please post as I am taking a crack at what might have occured here.

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danger:

Filing Date: 5/15/2008 Form Type: 10-Q

INCA DESIGNS, INC. AND SUBSIDIARY

NOTES TO UNAUDITED CONSOLIDATED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS

MARCH 31, 2008



NOTE C – NOTES AND LOANS PAYABLE

As of March 31, 2008, the Company has the following loan obligations.




The principal balance on promissory notes with a financial institution totaled $484,000. The note carries an interest rate of 9.25% per annum. In August 2002, the Company negotiated a settlement with the financial institution with payment terms of $5,000 per month on the promissory notes. During the period ended March 31, 2008, no payments were made. This obligation is currently in default.
$ 484,000


On June 21, 2002, the Company issued a note for $150,000 with a maturity date of July 1, 2006 and an interest rate of one percent (1%). As a result of a default for non-payment, the interest rate on the note accelerated to fifteen percent (15%) per annum on the date of maturity. The default also prompted a late charge of five percent (5%) per annum on any overdue amount. This obligation is currently in default.
150,000


On October 8, 2004, the Company issued a promissory note for $62,500 with a maturity date of April 30, 2005 and an interest rate (5.75%) equal to the Prime Rate on the day prior to the date the principal payment is due. This obligation is currently in default.
62,500


On December 1, 2004, the Company issued a promissory note for $62,500 with a maturity date of April 30, 2005 and an interest rate (5.75%) equal to the Prime Rate on the day prior to the date the principal payment is due. This obligation is currently in default.
62,500


On April 3, 2007, the Company issued a Single Payment Promissory Note to an individual for $100,000. The note accrues interest at a rate of 15% per annum and is currently in default.


http://secfilings.nasdaq.com/filingFrameset.asp?FileName=0001193125%2D08%2D11660 1%2Etxt&FilePath=%5C2008%5C05%5C15%5C&CoName=INCA+DESIGNS+INC&FormType=10%2DQ&Rc vdDate=5%2F15%2F2008&pdf=

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man, there's even more notes in default and warrants being issued etc..... this thing is rotten to dabone.

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Yup, kinda figured sumpum was a tad off.

Thanks for diggin' up some of the muck g...

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/25077453

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i always wonder why pinks file.

there's not much upside to it...

the only good thing about being a pink is that you can cut costs by not having to file...

in this case? i think you are correct, they will probably stop filing now, cuz they are are either going to have to file BKRPTCY or issue more shares to their creditors...

by filing that last one? people will think they know the OS... while the creditors dump the shares they are getting ...

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