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CHK is down a buck a share since March 8. The peak on oil stocks has already come and gone. It is all downhill from here, for almost all stocks, not just oil stocks.
Maybe I am wrong. The future will be here soon enough.
quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: CHK is down a buck a share since March 8. The peak on oil stocks has already come and gone. It is all downhill from here, for almost all stocks, not just oil stocks.
Maybe I am wrong. The future will be here soon enough.
Purl Gurl
PurlGurl CHK is UP 0.80 today again. I have this Stock for a long time and bought it when it was $ 8.50 plus it pays Div. so take that to the bank, lol
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: the amount of money we have/spent/are spending in "freeing" the mideast could have been spent here in america removing US from our oil dependance... it can be done, lack of imagination stifles us tho...
hundreds of billions on war instead of research and infrastructure development ... \
I agree and it really bums me out. There are great alternative solutions available *today* yet the oil lobby does everything to make it seem like alternative enrgy sources are pie in the sky.
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quote:Originally posted by mryj2000: I don't think 40 will be reached in 2005.
we may go back to 50. But maybe late this year.
Well I meant when it was at below $40 a barrel.. and everyone was making hooplah about it might going over $40.. now that its way over no sense in entering it because warmer weather is around the corner and it will go back down...
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[/QUOTE]I agree and it really bums me out. There are great alternative solutions available *today* yet the oil lobby does everything to make it seem like alternative enrgy sources are pie in the sky. [/QUOTE]
and then if you suggest that maybe we are on the wrong path they call you a wimp and unpatriotic...
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do you realise how much research can be done on 5 billion dollars? or how many MCEL type comapnies could have benefited (and yeah we could have traded on) with 100 billion....
the mid-east is only our problem because we NEED it... they should be responsible for their own problems... they finance themselves off of US...
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Yep it is easy to forget how much oil *we* produce. However, that isn't an argument against reducing oil consumption.
With respect to reducing consumption/dependance on foreign oil (currently over 50% of our consumption), take a look at what that is doing to the trade deficit. Take a look at where that money is going. Take a look at how that drives foreign policy. No good answers to be found there.
We need to cut our consumption dramatically for several reasons.
Oh an remapping/reshaping the political landscape of the mideast is what got us in the current sham (see 1945-1952). No judeo christian alliance is going to succeed in reshaping what they fundamentally cannot understand - imo.
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Oil lobbies make my oil stocks go up, healthcare lobbies make my healthcare stocks go up. my teachers union makes my salary go up.
...if there is money to be made in an alternative resource, someone will make the money.
"what they can't fundamentally understand" are you kidding me thats blatantly racist! Is that why our poor don't vote too, its not in their blood. OUCH! whose your father jimmy the greek
a) we are not remapping. b) they went out to vote! call that a sham if you want, but they did, and they did it for a reason. They didn't have too. The protests in Lebanon, the want of democracy in iran.... (i'm not fighting for our policies in any specific form) currently the climate there is changing, thats just a fact, This ain't the fifties anymore. There is much more of a global world for better or for worse.
glass, we do need it, we didn't need kosovo but it was our problem too. you cant leave out a certain forced mentality in that part of the world that has caused us trouble here, status-quo didn't work which should be obvious to everyone.
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"what they can't fundamentally understand" are you kidding me thats blatantly racist! Is that why our poor don't vote too, its not in their blood. OUCH! whose your father jimmy the greek
nothing racist about that Keith... they don't have the same values that we do.... they won't have the same values as we do ...
and FREEDOM means the ability to choose your own values...
if we ever leave? they will waste no time "undoing" most of what we claim to have acheived...
Afghanistan is NOW supplying 60% of the world illicit opium...hmmmm....
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not having the same values means they can't understand?......
Can't you understand value systems that you agree or disagree with...
on part 2) i'm not expecting them to have the same values as "us" (especially me) nor am i trying to force them. If there value system said voting is stupid wouldnt they have stayed home...
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Yes they can chose their own values, some of my students values are to commit drive-by's thats their right, and there is a consequence for their action.
....are you saying the afghanistanies (sp?) were better off under taliban rule, because america and europe are bothered by cheap heroin.
Women can go to school in afghanistan now, they have a new government, in time if they want, they will take action against poppies.
We have an old gov't and can't stop production of drugs in our country.
"if we ever leave..." maybe they will, thats their right.
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our culture is INFANT compared the theirs. this is typical American hubrus...we expect immediate results in everything...
yes there are good things happening, BUT, what price for trying to accomplish all of this overnite?
i quoted President Bush yesterday...even he admits that giving them freedom is no garuntee of gaining a real ally...even worse? he suggested that THEY would vote for guys to fix pot-holes and put bread on the table...
is that what WE did? NO, why should they?
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quote:Originally posted by Purl Gurl: Correct timing to sell oil stocks was seven to ten days back. It will be downhill from here. I dumped our oil stocks three weeks back.
Price of oil has reached a point to be destructive to world economies, and it is destroying economies. Regardless of how much "potential" a given oil stock displays, it will lose value. This is in strong evidence already.
My suggestion, in another thread, is to move into raw materials not related to oil, and into services which are "close to home" types.
The consumer market is quickly falling apart, and oil price is the main cause.
People cannot afford to buy gasoline. Shipping companies cannot afford to buy gasoline. Truckers cannot afford to by diesel. Makers of oil based products cannot afford to make thier products.
Almost all products depend on oil. Almost all products are too expensive for a majority of world populations, including Americans.
You have been keeping up with news about time immortal General Motors, yes?
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I tried to think for awhile and figure out how my comment was interpreted as blatantly racist. I honestly can't see the angle keithsan.
To clarify, when I say *they* cannot fundamentally understand I meant the judeo-christian ideology that is currently attempting to reshape the region. In other words the US military and diplomatic presence there. How is that racist?
It took me 5 years of friendship with an Iranian immigrant to come to a basic understanding of religion and politics and customs in that region ... you expect an 18yr old marine with a high school eduction to grasp it under fire? I just think back to when I was 18 and what I was doing.
There are fundamental differences between the two cultures. Turning a blind eye to those differences is exactly why we're in the bind we are today.
I think recgonizing that difference is a sign of respect if anything.
Complex issue and I don't mean to sound like I can boil it down simply and be right on all accounts. It would be a wonderful thing if we were spending a portion of our war bucks on educating ourselves on the impact of our dependence on foreign oil.
If I made 40% of the oxygen I need to stay alive, I'd still need 60% from somewhere else. That is a strong dependence! I'd do just about anything to get that 60%. I wish I could find the map I saw last month showing the top ten foreign oil supplier with our current military deployment. Why should I think the interest is to free people and not the flow of oil to our borders?
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G-civilization(culture) yes, government no. your right on bush's quote, we should've killed em all and took the land and oil, still wouldn't be a guarantee but....I like your thinking. Lets hope thats what happens with Iran. Although I have a couple of friends whose grandparents and friends from school are there so hopefully they can come here first.
d6 it was your quote so lets use it on you,
he/she cant keep a family take care of his/her kids because "those people can't fundamentally understand" (You can choose the statement to be about your skincolor, religion, sex)
wasn't that what they said in the segregated south: dem's don't know no better, dem's can't learn.
yes there are differences in culture i also said that.... you responded to me stating "times are a changin'" if you don't think anything is changing you are blind.
They are and its fantastically interesting, we don't know what will happen with palestine\isreal, iran, iraq, syria/lebanon, but there ARE people who are culturally different there wanting and fighting for democracy, its fascinating to watch.
This was not happening 2 years ago, it IS happening now, Bush gets partial credit for being stubborn on the issue, Arafats' death was huge, the lebanese protests are amazing to read about. I loved wathcing and reading about Iraqi's voting.
...none of us have the answers nor know what will happen but there is history being made there...
on whether we went there for people or oil, i'm not getting into it, some people have no blood for oil signs, others laugh. I made no political statements when i wrote, if we need money for oil, the gov't should check on all the waste and theft going on in there programs in this country, there is your money....start with welfare...
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quote:Originally posted by keithsan: d6 it was your quote so lets use it on you,
he/she cant keep a family take care of his/her kids because "those people can't fundamentally understand" (You can choose the statement to be about your skincolor, religion, sex)
The fallacy here is that the relationship between a parent and his/her child is not the same as the US to say Iraq. However -- and I don't know if that is an intentional slip of yours -- making that comparison is exactly the type of problem I am identifying in our presence in Iraq.
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quote:Originally posted by keithsan: G-civilization(culture) yes, government no. your right on bush's quote, we should've killed em all and took the land and oil, still wouldn't be a guarantee but....I like your thinking. Lets hope thats what happens with Iran.
On that note I am going to have to step away from this conversation. I hope I can raise my daughter to have a considerably greater level of compassion to offset this type of attitude that is eating the heart right out of a America. Makes me sad.
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quote:Originally posted by keithsan: d6 it was your quote so lets use it on you,
he/she cant keep a family take care of his/her kids because "those people can't fundamentally understand" (You can choose the statement to be about your skincolor, religion, sex)
The fallacy here is that the relationship between a parent and his/her child is not the same as the US to say Iraq. However -- and I don't know if that is an intentional slip of yours -- making that comparison is exactly the type of problem I am identifying in our presence in Iraq.
I was not speaking of u.s. Iraq policy, i have not stated my opinion nor will. It is to long for a bulletin board, and i'm not ignorant enough nor do I love/hate bush enough to state it is all good/bad.
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quote:Originally posted by keithsan: G-civilization(culture) yes, government no. your right on bush's quote, we should've killed em all and took the land and oil, still wouldn't be a guarantee but....I like your thinking. Lets hope thats what happens with Iran.
On that note I am going to have to step away from this conversation. I hope I can raise my daughter to have a considerably greater level of compassion to offset this type of attitude that is eating the heart right out of a America. Makes me sad.
That quote was for G, not you, we have a different style of interaction and he does not speak in racist overtones.
If you say i'm not compassionate you are highly mistaken. You can fix all your problems with america and other places, there is plenty of areas that need compassion. I hope your teaching by your actions not just complaining about policies....that never gets anyone anywhere and is also why I'm not getting into policy detail.
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thats why i tried to stay out of policy argument. I've got a list of facts to take 6 different sides of the Iraq policy and they can be mixed too....its good practice for law....
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NO way G, you helped me hone my skills, for arguing in Greece, although iraq was bad with family and friends, the arguments over kosovo with strangers was crazy.....they would come up on the beach, you from america, what do you thinik of kosovo and the albanians..... response: i love it.....always fun meeting strangers.
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That's because both Keith and you.... Glass are as we say in Texas....set in your ways...LOL.....
Both of you have your points IMHO.....which leads me to say this.....at some point we must all realize that it boils down to what is right and what is wrong....you know...morals....it is bad to kill...it is bad to steal...etc....No religious overtones intended.....just morals....
There is no doubt that democracy and freedom inspire people to rise above. Keith is right...it is truly remarkable that people are longing for and aquiring freedom in the middle east....a totally different culture and people tasting freedom....Let us hope that they reap the fruits of our and their sacrifices.
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