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Hydrogen production is in our future, If humanity decides that they are tired of breathing the carcinogens blown into our atmosphere causing unknown amount of sickness (cancers). Internal Combustion Engines will put out cleaner air and the byproduct ..... water. [Big Grin]

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True, but this one would be for long, REAL long. Only 10 trades today........
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Nice stock abram.

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Maybe not as long as one might think. Hydrogen is nearly an infinite supply of energy. Fossil fuel is going to continue to be the source of war. Mainly because the source will be dwindling within 20 years. If humanity doesn't step up to the plate, everyone loses. [Eek!]
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Oops. Wrong http. Here's the news release.------
AEC Completes Final Testing of its Demonstration Hydrogen Production Unit

LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 9, 2005--Mr. Blaine Froats, Chairman of Alternate Energy Corporation (OTCBB:ARGY) today announced the completion of the second phase of its backup power initiative with the final testing of its beta version demonstration HPU (Hydrogen Production Unit). Last week, the HPU successfully powered the Company's recently converted internal combustion engine (ICE) with its low-cost, on-demand hydrogen.


Over the past several months, AEC has been focused on the building of ICE and fuel cell generator sets to demonstrate to investors and potential customers AEC's hydrogen fuel production capability. AEC's Chairman, Blaine Froats, stated, "AEC's demo unit will prove that an ICE generator can produce electricity using safe, portable and most of all - affordable hydrogen. The ICE generator will use our hydrogen as fuel throughout the demonstration, produced on the spot by AEC's HPU."

Mr. Froats further stated, "Now that the testing of the beta version HPU is complete, our next task is to shrink its components into a transportable size to ensure ease of demonstration. We expect this to be completed by mid-March."

AEC anticipates the unveiling of a final demonstration unit prior to the end of March of this year and at such time will commence demonstrations in strategic locations in both the United States and Canada. "We are in the process of scheduling demonstrations with existing prominent players in the ICE generator business. This is one of the last steps in bringing AEC closer to revenue generation," stated Mr. Froats.

These developments parallel AEC's recent work on its hydrogen production unit for use with the Astris E8 alkaline fuel cell. The fuel cell and ICE platforms are expected to provide AEC with multiple market opportunities and greater revenue potential.

About Alternate Energy Corporation (AEC; www.cleanwatts.com):

Alternate Energy Corporation (AEC) intends to provide a hydrogen fuel system that has mass-deployment economics and provides small-scale, on-demand distributed generation of electricity. The Company is scheduling product demonstrations with key strategic partners in the first quarter of 2005, then shipping initial hydrogen production and electricity generation systems later in 2005. AEC's proprietary discovery in metallurgy permits a small-scale unit to generate hydrogen from an aqueous solution through a "green" system at a price competitive with the current fossil fuel kWh cost of energy

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Yeah , Joe , you know my main stock huh? heh, heh [Smile]

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any stock that is actively working toward getting us on hydrogen is worth the effort IMO.... we need it...

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Below shows groundfloor info of where the world must go in order to reverse the damage of pursuing fossil fuel as an energy source.
2 Billion Investment Needed for Hydrogen Infrastructure by 2012, Says ABI Research

OYSTER BAY, New York--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 16, 2005--The embryonic automotive fuel cell industry - whether or not aided by governments - must invest some US$2 billion in creating a hydrogen fueling station infrastructure by 2012 if market expectations are to be met.


This conclusion is one of the key forecasts contained in ABI Research's new study, "Hydrogen Infrastructure", which evaluates the production and distribution pathways that will be essential for any major fuel cell vehicle introduction, and reviews potential fuel sources for hydrogen generation.

Natural gas, coal, ethanol and methanol, biomass gasification, electrolysis, solar and wind energy, even nuclear reactions are all potential sources for the hydrogen needed to run fuel cells, and the study analyzes each in detail, with particular emphasis on natural gas, the most likely candidate.

"Once the hydrogen is produced, it must be distributed to a large number of fuelling stations," notes Atakan Ozbek, ABI Research's director of energy research. "That could be done via pipelines, or by trucks, or even by generating the hydrogen on-site. Then it must be stored, and a number of options are available."

Will the hydrogen supply chain be up to the task? Yes, Ozbek believes, if sufficient R&D funding is directed to two critical areas: production technologies and storage methods. "Government spending in these areas - and in setting up more pilot projects - will be the catalyst enabling wider commercialization."

The study forecasts the number of fuel cell-powered vehicles that will be produced in North America, the EU and Japan along with other global regions, and the number of fuelling stations that will be required. It presents a detailed matrix of hydrogen infrastructure developments by production, by distribution and by storage pathway.

This report forms part of a package of automotive fuel cell-related studies that also includes "Automotive Fuel Cell Vendors", "The Transportation Fuel Cell Supply Chain" and "Fuel Cells for Vehicles".

Founded in 1990 and headquartered in New York, ABI Research maintains global operations that support annual research programs, quarterly intelligence services and market reports in wireless, automotive, semiconductors, broadband, and energy. Their market research products can be found on the Web at www.abiresearch.com, or by calling 516.624.2500.

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INVESTING IN THESE THREE AREAS NOW WILL MAKE MANY RICH!!


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Prodution , Storage , and Transportation. I guess they don't want to make the transfer abruptly is why they mention coal , nuclear reators and such, but hydrogen can be mined from water or even air. 100% reuse. Amazing. IMHO.

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FYI,

You need fossile fuels to "mine" the hydrogen. Dissociation of water isn't as trivial as the PR's you and I read.

Dissociation is roughly 70% effecient (energy loss due to entropy) being reacted with a fossile fuel that burns at 30% effeciency.

Maximum energy return from the fuel cell can be up to 80% (20% los top environment from entropy).

So entropy robs the process converting the raw fuel and again when converting the energy to work. This cannot be changed, as it is a fundemental concept in thermochemistry.

Geothermal production will be the best way to make money from this, and this process currently only survives in a highly subsidized form (in Iceland I believe).

People need to want to spend more money to have clean air, hard concept to get across to investors (and the population in general).

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Well, I believe that as people become aware of what has happened ( Greed, cancers, a self destruction of our air) We can change this , and it needs to be a #1 priority. Reusable energy will allow further expansion of the human race!

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what might also help push this forward, is this thing that's going on, in Europe i think-- where emissions-cutting companies who are cutting emissions even lower than they are required to go (under Kyoto, i think... Kyoto which the US is ignoring...) can then SELL the remainder -- some way of quantifying a "right to pollute" -- sell that to other companies who are behind in the emission-cutting game.

these "right to pollute" slips, or whatever they're called, are expected to go up in price in a hurry... which will give industry the needed incentive to get with the program, (right? oh pls. : )

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what's "dissociation of water?"

also what about water being a byproduct in this process? is the water wasted? (in the midwest right now they're mining a lot of methane gas from coal beds, and sucking out a LOT of water to do it.. ppl's wells going dry.. Dick Cheney's old neighbors! they're pisssssssed!)

anyway, if water being a byproduct means - wasted....fouled up beyond repair... (pls. forgive me my ignorance) then, we should maybe turn our sights on wind.. we are running out of water as it is. i've heard it said: the last century was about oil, this one will be about water.

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Actually Lucy, the air sucked into an engine burning hydrogen is cleaner than before it went in, the water that comes out is so clean , you can drink it!
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One way to obtain hydrogen is by breaking the bonds shared by water (H2O). So for every mole of water you obtain one mole of hydrogen and 0.5 moles of oxygen. This process is called dissociation (as in the hydrogen and oxygen are no longer associated with one another).

Water is not a byproduct, but the reactant.

My earlier point was that hydrogen fuel cell technology is not a renewable/reusable energy source because we must process something to get the hydrogen. Thermochemistry is not self perpetual (nothing is, actually).

I feel that people are being intentionally mislead on this subject (don't get me started on nanotechnology!) to create investor interest.

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Actually,sync, there are a number of ways to attain hydrogen. Hydrogen can be produced from water by a fuel cell in the regenerative mode. Solar energy is converted by photovoltaic panel into electricity that is applied to the fuel cell in the electrolyzer mode to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. The gases, collected and stored in two cylinders are fed into the fuel cell which produces electricity that drives a motor. Amongst the various ways to dissociate hydrogen from the water.

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By the year 2003 , the U.S. imported 75% of the nuclear fuel, 60% of the oil and 16% of the natural gasused to produce the world's leading economy. With every other country seeking to attain the American energy intensive standard of life style, we NEED the investors attention!

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Thanks abram, you are absolutely correct.

But let me add that the amount of energy needed to complete the process (using solar energy) would require copious amounts of solar panels to collect the energy. Seriously. Once there are solar panels in place, you need to then over engineer your production to account for when there is no sun.

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I think that is self feating. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

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