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Bob Frey
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Subject: 9/11 Commission
This is a long read, but a very interesting perspective by a Southern Democrat.

March 30. 2004

U.S. Senator Zell Miller

Floor Statement: 'A House Divided Cannot Stand' Remarks as Delivered on the Senate Floor

After watching the harsh acrimony generated by the September 11 Commission - which, let me say at the outset, is made up of good and able members - I've come to seriously question this panel's usefulness. I believe it will ultimately play a role in doing great harm to this country, for its unintended consequences, I fear, will be to energize our enemies and demoralize our troops.

After being drowned in a tidal wave of all who didn't do enough before 9/11, I have come to believe that the Commission should issue a report that says: "No one did enough in the past. No one did near enough." Then thank everyone for serving, send them home and let's get on with the job of protecting this country in the future.

Tragically, these hearings have proved to be a very divisive diversion for this country. Tragically, they have devoured valuable time, looking backwards when we should be looking forward.

Can you imagine handling the attack on Pearl Harbor this way? Can you imagine Congress, the media and the public standing for this kind of political gamesmanship and finger pointing after that "day of infamy" in 1941?

Some partisans tried that ploy, but they were soon quieted by the patriots who understood how important it was to get on with the war and take the battle to America's enemies, and not dwell on what FDR knew when.

You see, back then the highest priority was to win a war, not win an election. That's what made them "The Greatest Generation."
I realize that many well-meaning Americans see the hearings as "democracy in action." Years ago, when I was teaching political science, I probably would have had my class watching it live on television and using that very phrase with them.

There are also the not-so-well-meaning political operatives who see these hearings as an opportunity to "score cheap points."

Then, there are the Media Meddlers who see this as "great theater" that can be played out on the evening news and on endless talk shows for a week or more. Congressional hearings have long been one of Washington's most entertaining pastimes. Joe McCarthy. Watergate. Iran Contra. They all kept us glued to the TV, and made for conversation around the water coolers and arguments over a beer at the corner pub.

A Congressional hearing in Washington, D.C. is the ultimate aphrodisiac for political groupies and partisan punks. But, it's not the groupies, punks and television-spotted American public that I'm worried about. This latter crowd can get excited and divided over just about anything.

Whether it's some off-key wanna-be dreaming of being the American Idol, or what brainless bimbo The Bachelor or Average Joe will choose or who will Donald Trump fire next week.

No, it is the real enemies of America that I'm concerned about. These evil killers who right now, right now are gleefully watching the shrill partisan finger pointing of these hearings and grinning like a mule eating briars.

They see this as a major split within the Great Satan America. They see anger, they see division, instability, bickering, peevishness and dissension.

They see the President of the United States hammered unmercifully. They see all this and they are greatly, greatly encouraged. We should not be doing anything to encourage our enemies in this battle between good and evil. Yet, these hearings, in my opinion, are doing just that.

We are playing with fire. We're playing directly into the hands of our enemy by allowing these hearings to become the great divider they have become.

Dick Clarke's book and its release coinciding with these hearings have done this country a tremendous disservice, and someday we will reap its whirlwind.

Long ago, Sir Walter Scott observed that revenge is "the sweetest morsel that ever was cooked in hell." The vindictive Clarke has now had his revenge, but what kind of hell has he, his CBS publisher and his axe-to-grind advocates unleashed?

These hearings, coming on the heels of the election the terrorists influenced in Spain, bolster and energize our evil enemies as they have not been energized since 9/11.

Chances are very good that these evil enemies of America will attempt to influence our 2004 election in a similar dramatic way as they did Spain's. And to think that could never be in this country is to stick your head in the sand.

That is why the sooner we stop this endless bickering over the past and join together to prepare for the future, the better off this country will be. There are some things - whether this city believes it or not - that are just more important than political campaigns.

The recent past is so ripe for political second-guessing "gotcha" and Monday morning quarter-backing. And it is so tempting in an election year. We should not allow ourselves to indulge that temptation. We should put our country first.

Every administration from Jimmy Carter to George W. Bush bears some of the blame. Dick Clarke bears a big heap of it because it was he who was in the catbird's seat to do something about it for more than a decade. Tragically, it was the decade in which we did the least.

We did nothing after terrorists attacked the World Trade Center in 1993, killing six and injuring more than 1,000 Americans. We did nothing in 1996 when sixteen U.S. servicemen were killed in the bombing of the Khobar Towers.

When our embassies were attacked in 1998, killing 263 people, our only response was to fire a few missiles on an empty tent. Is it any wonder? Is it any wonder that after that decade of weak-willed responses to that murderous terror, our enemies thought we would never fight back?

In the 1990's is when Dick Clarke should have resigned. In the 1990's is when he should have apologized. That is when he should have written his book. That is, if he really had America's best interest at heart.

Some will say, "We owe it to the families" to get more information about what happened in the past and I can understand that. But no amount of finger-pointing will bring our victims back.

So, now we owe it to future families and all of America now in jeopardy not to encourage more terrorists, resulting in even more grieving families, perhaps many more over the ones of 9/11.

It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into two camps: the wimps and the warriors. The ones who want to argue and assess and appease, and the ones who want to carry this fight to our enemies and kill him them before they kill us. And, in case you haven't figured it out, I proudly belong to the latter.

This is a time like no other in the history of this country, and this country is being crippled with petty partisan politics of the worst possible kind. In time of war, it is not just unpatriotic; it is stupid, and it is criminal.

So, I pray that all this time, all this energy, all this talk and all this attention could be focused on the future instead of the past. I pray we would stop pointing fingers, assigning blame and wringing our hands about what happened on that day David McCullogh has called "the worst day in our history" more than two years ago.

And instead, pour all of our energy into how we can kill these terrorists before they kill us - again.

For make no mistake about it. They watch these hearings. They are scheming and smiling about the distraction and the divisiveness they see in America. And while they may not know who said it years ago in America, they know instinctively that a house divided cannot stand.

There is one other group that we should remember is listening to all of this - our troops. I was in Iraq in January and one day when I was meeting with the 1st Armored Division, a unit with a proud history known as Old Ironsides, we were discussing troop morale, and the Commanding General said it was top notch.

And I turned to the Division's Sergeant Major, the top enlisted man in the division, a big, burly, 6-foot-3, 240 pound African American and I said, "That's good, but how do you sustain that kind of morale?"

Without hesitation he narrowed his eyes, and he looked at me and said "The morale will stay high just as long as these troops know the people back home support us."

Just as long as the people back home support us. What kind of message are these hearings and the outrageously political speeches on the floor of the Senate yesterday sending to those marvelous young Americans in the uniform of our country?

I say Unite America! Before it is too late! Put aside these petty partisan differences when it comes to the protection of our people.

Argue and argue and argue and debate and debate and debate over all the other things - jobs and education and the deficit and the environment – but please, please do not use the lives of Americans and the security of this country as a cheap-shot political talking point.



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very well said......
we are a democracy and the price is high, but, our detractors are the fools, because when all the debating is over, it won't matter who the president is when it is time to ERADICATE to our enemies.....
remeber how long it took the Iranians to give back the hostages when Reagan was elected?
these debates about who screwed up are a necessary evil because we must recognise our FAILURES to correct them....
i have noticed at least a half dozen serious terror attempts DEFEATED worldwide in the last two weeks--------

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"...grinning like a mule eating briars."

Only a southerner!


Purl


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I also think this was well said. This mornings attacks against Ms. Rice was an insult to all americans. Especially Mr. Kerry who found that the best he could do was to swear in front of america. I only hope that there was no young kids watching from school somewhere to see such a terrible display from someone in such a position. He should have been excused immediately and lead from the room.
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Thanks bob,

I miss a lot of this when I'm in work, finals and bar preps.

Its a great thought, read and statement.

Keith


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Keep in mind all of this is orchestrated
by both political parties. Both parties
are jockeying for the best positions
during this election year.

The southerner, typical of us from the
south and midwest, called it as it is
but his words fall upon deaf ears.

Politicians, as a lot, view average Americans
as being blithering emotional idiots. For
the most part, we are, voting emotions
rather than logic.

Inglewood, couple days back voted down
allowing Walmart to open their largest
store ever, in the city of Inglewood.

City of Inglewood has an unemployment
rate of twenty-five percent with an
average per capita income of only
fifteen-thousand dollars per year.
Average education level is high school
dropout and has one of the highest
crime rates in America.

Special interest groups played on the
emotions of Inglewood residents ending
in a defeat of Walmart. Had this store
opened, thousands jobs would have been
created in constrution and staffing the
stores, with store employees earning
an average wage just below eleven bucks
per hour, with medical benefits. Tax
base revenues, first year, five-million
dollars. Inglewood has exercised its
right to remain ignorant and poor.

National level, politicians and special
interests are playing voter's emotions,
just as they did in Inglewood.

These debates, meaningless. Nothing more
than political manipulation of the minds
and hearts of American voters.

Neither side is right. Both sides are wrong
and Nixon resides in Hades.


Purl Gurl


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I was extremely impressed with Dr. Rice today.
She did a little fillibustering to show the supposed pro's how it is done....LOL
She had all of her facts straight and made it clear to all that she is a FORMIDABLE opponent no matter what side you are on....
hiring her was obviously one of Bush's better decisions


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You can tell by the way she carries herself
in her walk. Watch newsreels carefully.
She walks with power but is quick to hug
and display affection.

Purl


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being somewhat familiar with fed gov culture from a civil service perspective, i have to agree with her analysis that the failure was due to a lack of cooperation amongst governmental agencies---
the REAL problem.....
too much territorial "marking" not enough teamwork.....

[This message has been edited by glassman (edited April 08, 2004).]


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Territorial marking is a masculine trait.

* ducks *

Purl


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quote:
Originally posted by Purl Gurl:
Territorial marking is a masculine trait.

* ducks *

Purl


i expected you to jump on that-----
i don't know ANY other married men that don't wear a wedding band---i don't think men invented them either...LOL


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
very well said......
we are a democracy and the price is high, but, our detractors are the fools, because when all the debating is over, it won't matter who the president is when it is time to ERADICATE to our enemies.....
remeber how long it took the Iranians to give back the hostages when Reagan was elected?
these debates about who screwed up are a necessary evil because we must recognise our FAILURES to correct them....
i have noticed at least a half dozen serious terror attempts DEFEATED worldwide in the last two weeks--------

Democratic Republic...NOT a Democracy


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I was actually pretty suprised she at no point threw anything. Quite possibly the most assinine group of questions ever gathered into one session.


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these things are what you expect in any election year....
yes there is a difference between a true democracy and a democratic republic-----and that difference is one of the reasons this could be a very BLOODY campaign. The democrats have a big ax to grind over the last election.....
that is the reason that i feel the need to continuously remind EVERYBODY that we need to be very careful how we sling the mud....
the debating may in fact appear to be a sign of weakness, when in fact it is what makes us stronger......


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What makes it worse is that we end up paying for it!!! All the expenses of transportation, food, fun and games, etc., etc., etc. MORE PORK!!!!!!!!

Maybe we could send some pork to Iraq.


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DQR and i worked out a solution to all the muslim terrorist problems using pork......
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/Forum2/HTML/003064.html

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Purl Guru wrote,
"Inglewood has exercised its
right to remain ignorant and poor."

Inglewood is a city of rich culture and heritage not ignorance and poort. I understand your position and respect your thoughts and ideas, I just can’t understand why someone would generalize a city by calling them "ignorant". I’m from Los Angeles and understand why people rejected the plan.

1. The city or/people rejected the Walmart plan because Walmart is known to hire people from outside the area. A great example is the Walmart in Crenshaw.

2. From my understanding, Walmart is NON-Union company, meaning they pay there employees $8.00 an hour with no benefits. This is not the case for Store Managers who get paid $80,000 plus for a store $120,000 plus for a Super-Store. (please read the Los Angeles Time article on this. I believe the article was published on January 22 or January 25).


Listen, I don’t have all the right answers, I’ve just learned to RESPECT everyone’s ideas and thoughts. At times, I may disagree with a person/group/city however I’ll never lower myself by calling them ignorant!

Ls007

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Glassman wrote, "being somewhat familiar with fed gov culture from a civil service perspective, i have to agree with her analysis that the failure was due to a lack of cooperation amongst governmental agencies---
the REAL problem.....
too much territorial "marking" not enough teamwork....."

I can't agree with you more.

-ls007


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Glassman, hillarious, I think we should implement the idea.
Laststock, are you suggesting that a walmart shelve stocker should be paid more than $8.00 an hour, honestly I think eight is quite generous for a job my dog could do if only she had opposable thumbs. Mannagers make eighy grand a year...my god, the outrage. Those managers oversee the sale of many thousands of dollars worth of merchandise everyday, not to mention convincing people whos only marketable asset is their opposable thumbs to show up to work. I find it odd that the city would reject Walmart simply because really they have no other industry or attraction really. At the very least a couple gas stations would pop up around the Walmart. But hey it's not my city and it is in commiefornia so oh well.

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We should start a new thread about the Wal mart. There is alot to say about that topic.
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DiQuiRiesco, I'm not saying $8 an hour is too low or too high. I think you overlooked my point, I'm simply saying that Wal-Mart should give there employees benefits (Medical and Dental) and they should be in the Union.

Also, a new thread should be created because we've strayed off subject.


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Threads often stray off topic, just like conversations. If the city was truly worried about jobs for it's citizens I doubt they would have barred Walmart from setting up shop. Are you going to tell me that this city will force all gas stations to pay benefits? Or are you trying to circumvent the fact that Walmart is a huge corporation steeped in the principles of capitalism while california is a communist regimn and the two simply don't mix?


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Great Start on this tread Bob. I don't have the stomach to watch all the fighting and political mud slinging so I missed the gem of a response by Zell Miller. I bet a lot of people never heard it. He really sums up exactly how I feel in my gut. I also enjoyed the comments and the Walmart off topic posts. We have a great group of people who post here.
Happy Easter/Passover -Debi

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Wal-Mart is a tough question......
I am not a fan of cheapness. I use the term cheapness in the quality sense not the price sense. I invested in WM in the early eighties and shopped promarily at SAM's club.
I have been out of WM for a while and don't really see it as a growth play anymore.....

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Liberating Iraq is important for U.S. interests.

A democratic Iraq will prove to be our best long term weapon in achieving peace and stability in the mideast and in the fight against terrorism, but will not come easily.

Oil is vital to the world's economy - yes it is about the oil, and this is a good reason. Mideast peace and stability is important to a stable and inexpensive oil supply, necessary to the world economy. Democracy in Iraq will promote the spread of democracy in the area. A democratic mideast would vote for a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and outweigh the Arab minority which wants war forever. Right now the Arab minority that does not want want peace rules, and uses their power to sway the masses toward war and conflict. Give the masses a voting power and they would opt for conflict settlement.

When Ted Kennedy and others criticize the Iraqi liberation, they encourage the terrorists to fight on, and this kills more Americans and their allies. Ted Kennedy and his ilk are traitors in aiding and abetting the enemy.

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Absolutely correct Art


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Well said Art. Another observation and just that. Democrates complain about the price of gas, me too but follow me here, but never want to do anything about it. They complain about the job losses, (again me too) but vote any new job opputunities down stating they weren't good enough and too little pay. Yet if the dems win the white house back I can assure you that your taxes will go up. Hmm, sounds like a pay cut to me. The bottom line is they are never satisfied and won't be unless they are in power. If you want to read some interesting stats about income taxes and what income levels are paying the majority of the taxes, go to rush limbaughs web site and at the bottom is a link to irs spread sheet showing the stats. You might be surprised to find that you are in that top percentage that the dems are squeeling about getting too much of a tax cut.
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Liberals want government to rob money from taxpayers who earn money and give this money to people who didn't earn it.

This redistribution of wealth is evil. It is communism - "to each according to their need", instead of "to each according to their contribution to society". Communism and liberalism destroy incentive to produce, and this economically destroys society.

Such liberalism will eventually ruin a country. Canada, France and Germany are going downhill, and the U.S. has been seriously hurt by liberal welfare and redistribution of wealth policies.


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redistribution of wealth is an inevitable fact of life......
how it comes about is the real issue.....

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you think the liberals are "giving" money away?
look deeper into the ways they spend it.

you give "cash" to people who don't know how to manage it and guess how long they keep it?

have you ever seen the figures on how many lottery/lotto winners file for bankruptcy?


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the fighting that we are doing right now is not with al-queda terrorists......
it is primarily with Shiite Muslims ...according to the news........



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Art here is a quote that has stuck with me:

Capitalism is the unequal dispersion of prosperity

Socialism is the equal dispersion of dispair.

-Greg


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quote:
Originally posted by grjohnso:
Art here is a quote that has stuck with me:

Capitalism is the unequal dispersion of prosperity

Socialism is the equal dispersion of dispair.

-Greg


first i've heard that--i like it....
i am often accused by liberals as being a conservative-LOL
often accused by conservatives as being a liberal-LOL
but everybody KNOWS i am capitalist!


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
first i've heard that--i like it....
i am often accused by liberals as being a conservative-LOL
often accused by conservatives as being a liberal-LOL
but everybody KNOWS i am capitalist!

commie


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Originally posted by glassman:
the fighting that we are doing right now is not with al-queda terrorists......
it is primarily with Shiite Muslims ...according to the news........



True - mainly Shia. However, we are also fighting Al Qaeda terroists, and Iranian financed terorists, in Iraq. Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia are scared tot death of our bringing democracy to Iraq. As democracy sets into the mideast, more freedom means more exposure to western news/ideas, and more capitalism, and this fights terrorist efforts and argues for peace rather than continued conflict.

Democracy is most feared by terorists, whose sole survival depends on their minority influence rather than the influence of the majority will of the people. Democracy ushers in freedom and capitalism, which reduces terrorists to a lunatic fringe group that has litle influence over the masses.


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