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The other day I was thinking during my commute. Somehow my mind wondered onto salt. Seems like every other person you speak with believes we are headed to a catastophic event whether it be massive war, economic collapse, EMP detonation, etc....Anyway, I am not a very well off person financially....I get by like most people. I was thinking about how I would operate in a post apocolyptic world.....Salt. Actual, physical, salt.
Its one of those things that is taken for granted today but is absolutely essential for living. If a collapse of some kind did occur it has the potential to become far more valuable than gold. Especially in the middle of the country away from the coast. Currently, it is relatively cheap. I think the last time I purchased it I paid .70 for a pound of Mortons Salt.
Sounds kind of crazy, but I think I may invest a couple hundred bucks and keep a few hundred pounds on hand...just in case.
I little trivia for the board....if you didn't already know....the word salary comes from the word salt. People used to have there wages paid to them in salt...Romans, think....go figure.
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if you are really concerned about this happening? i would suggest buying "scrap" silver coins.
dimes quarters half dollars are sold at spot silver prices, they really do not lose value long term and they are easily ID'ed by anybody as real.
whne you buy bars or bullion? there is always the issue of fakes or lead filling. I frequnlty hear about 100 gram and up size bars being loaded with lead.
the beauty of scrap coins is that they are basically 90% silvr and the cost of faking them is ridiculous. there are som ethat arre fake around, but it's funny cuz the price of silver was controlled by the govt, the fakes are 100% SILVER NOT 90% AND THEY TEND TO BE PRE 1920'S...
silver won't get wet be rooined. it won't drop muc in value and you can buy it at (about) 100$ increments... ebay has been very goo dfor me to buy a thebest prices, but you need to know what you are doing ifyu are going it on your own..
i looked up 'scrap silver coins" and found seveal place right off that will sell you 150$ worht...
IF the economy tanks? people will be valuing scrap silver coins inwide price ranges, so you want small couins like dimes and quarters and be prepared to make a stong case for the value of your investment to your venders, they will see th evalue if make a good case...
if it never happens? your kids will get them (that's what i count on) amd they won't have to pay ineritance taxes if you do it right
i regualry boght coins at all thegas stations and convenience store at deep discounts for years until silver broke 20$ then everybody tarted hoarding themselves they were happy for a dollar per quarter and three bucks for silver dollars until the prices got newsworthy...
i used to pay 20cents for dime (which was a steal) until a coiple years ago.. dimes are actually the 'densest' way to carry silver in coins, and since they were samll people didn't think much of them... those days are gonenow, but even at today's pricves there's still upward mobility on prices long -term..
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Head to the beach lots of salt.
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yes, but go 100 miles inland without elctricity and gasoline? and suddenly salt is very scarce and hard to get... rains tends to carry it away rather quickly...
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So you'd really take "scrap silver coins" over salt during an "end of world" event? Wow! And here I thought you were smarter than that.
I am totally with rounder on this one. With salt, your body needs it, and the curing(food wise) capacities are off the scale.
During the next (apocalypse), I guess you'll be having to lick those silver coins. Whilst people like rounder and myself are curing meat and such for the long haul. But hey, at least you'll have those worthless silver coins to lick!
And before you even try to say it, who would trade food for worthless metal?
Can wait to hear the response, it should be very entertaining as usual.
Oops....I forgot, maybe you can nibble on those Koi in the fish bond
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if the end of world event so bad that i cannot get salt for silver? it won't matter what we have. i do keep about 100 pounds of rice and 100 pounds of beans of differnig types on hand at all times for my family use only tho... i "play" at being able to survive a basic meltdown, a serious meltdown where salt becomes more valuable than silver will have much deeper implications. there will be be no rule of law in a scanario that bad, and i am prepared for that scenario,...
i am simply trying to make a point about covering both sides of the situation. if you need salt and it is avalaible real silver coins would get it for you, amd if you never need it? it's still valuable...
i do recognise the value of salt and even pepper for that matter.. i beleive pepper historically brought even higher prices than even salt..
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If things get as bad as some of you are talking about all the money,gold,silver,and gems won't mean a thing. the person with a can of beans will the the one that is rich.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: if the end of world event so bad that i cannot get salt for silver? it won't matter what we have. i do keep about 100 pounds of rice and 100 pounds of beans of differnig types on hand at all times for my family use only tho... i "play" at being able to survive a basic meltdown, a serious meltdown where salt becomes more valuable than silver will have much deeper implications. there will be be no rule of law in a scanario that bad, and i am prepared for that scenario,...
i am simply trying to make a point about covering both sides of the situation. if you need salt and it is avalaible real silver coins would get it for you, amd if you never need it? it's still valuable...
i do recognise the value of salt and even pepper for that matter.. i beleive pepper historically brought even higher prices than even salt..
I figured you would go this route. Pepper is a seasoning. It is not life sustaining. So why you mention that is only for distraction as usual.
So you would still rather have silver than salt? If that is the case, then after your hundred pounds of rice and beans ran out....you'd be eating dirt or other people. Maybe that's how you would roll. I can't see anyone selling you salt for worthless silver in that scenario.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: If things get as bad as some of you are talking about all the money,gold,silver,and gems won't mean a thing. the person with a can of beans will the the one that is rich.
Exactly Ray. Glass seems to miss that idea totally.
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en after your hundred pounds of rice and beans ran out....you'd be eating dirt or other people. Maybe that's how you would roll. I can't see anyone selling you salt for worthless silver in that scenario.
i would be more than willing to trade lead for food, should the need arise... not a problem for me.... prolly sleep better than i do now too.... native americans did just fin ehere 'fore we showed up... their numbers were lower, but the scanrio where salt is not availble for silver as barter would indicate that the numbers dropped to that level again already. don't froegt i raise some veggies myself all th item, and i don't have any problems butchering my dinner... got plenty of chickens fro breeding and to eat.
i know the venison would be moslty gone in about 30 days
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: actaully pagan, i keep a couple of gallons of clorox on hand too cuz one gallon of clorox can sanitize a couple hunrded gallons of muddy water.
it's easier than keping a couple hundred gallons f water...
now, it's pretty easy to get salt out of clorox in an emergency... but i can't tell you how or DHS will be getting angry with me...
fuerthermore? 500 mg of salt per day is plnety more than you need to live..
the deer and all the other animals need it just as much as we do and live just fine without having a shaker handy..
in other words/you picked the wrong debate again
Wrong yet again Mr Wiki. The discussion was not about chlorox. It was not about salt licks. It was not about water. Your diversionary tactics are getting pretty stale.
Guess you never heard of fire to sterilize water right? Never heard of curing meat with salt right? Looks like you picked the wrong time to spout off this time dude.
I know you can't let a thread pass without your 2 cents(silver probably). But this time you are just simply out of gas. But keep googling, maybe you can come up with something.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: en after your hundred pounds of rice and beans ran out....you'd be eating dirt or other people. Maybe that's how you would roll. I can't see anyone selling you salt for worthless silver in that scenario.
i would be more than willing to trade lead for food, should the need arise... not a problem for me.... prolly sleep better than i do now too.... native americans did just fin ehere 'fore we showed up... their numbers were lower, but the scanrio where salt is not availble for silver as barter would indicate that the numbers dropped to that level again already. don't froegt i raise some veggies myself all th item, and i don't have any problems butchering my dinner... got plenty of chickens fro breeding and to eat.
i know the venison would be moslty gone in about 30 days
So we went from discussing salt versus silver to you shooting people. Good argument there chief.
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Never heard of curing meat with salt right?
i prefer sugar,i do keep lots of that, and it works better, as to fire? it cures meat too.... very well in fact..
but then so does good old sunshine... cut it thin and hang it in the sun and in a few hours it should be good to go.. i have made alot of venison jerky with nothing but sugar and simple food dehydartor. the sun works as well as those dehydratos do..
purifyiong water with clorox is one gallon to 4,000 gallons of water.. ever try to boil five gallons of water on wood? takes forever and without a chainsaw? hmmm... not me..
civilisation is a thin veneer.. very thin.. i do not fear losing it but then i don't look forward to it's demise either...
as to you suggesting that i am overly violent or aggressive? you are just not being honest witho yourself. if we get to a point where there is no bartering for basics like salt, vinegar and sugar? it will be very violent..... much more so then 90% of the people living n the USA today can grasp...
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I notice you didn't mention curing meat with your silver. Guess it doesn't work too well for that. Oh wait, I know, you'll be buying all that stuff with your silver horde.
Btw..it's bleach not just chlorox. Sheesh. Do you own stock in them or something?
I never said you were agressive. YOU were the one that spouting off about robbing people instead of bartering.
And I never said there wouldn't be bartering. I just said nobody would be stupid enough to trade basics like salt, vinegar and sugar for some worthless silver.
Keep trying glass. Better fire up google again and see what you can come up with this time. These diversionary tactics are very entertaining. I'm starting to see where CCM gets it from now.
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what could be more worthless than silver? glass beads maybe? LOL Pagan, i haven't even broken a sweat here....
if we went 30 days without a society? someone would be hauling salt from the tributaries up stream for silver or wahtever they can get.
i don't envision a scanrio where people can survive ultimatley that would leave you NEEDING 50 pounds of salt... it in't that scarce unitl you get inot eh very middle of the country...
there has ALWAYS been universal bartering commodities. silver is good because it is not so rare. silver does have some antibiotic properties and is useful as a preservative in liquids, but then you'd have to google that to beleive me... go ahead and try..
as to stealing? i don't recall suggesting i would steal, you suggested i would eat people...other people might be inclined and i would disncline them - i'd eat worms first.
i have no problem with "trading lead for food" that would be part of the daily routine if the scenario were so bad that salt is worth more than gold or silver- i have done Ok buying silver, but i havn't sold any cuz i don't want to.. funny how people are like that... i guess if you wanna put a couple hundred pounds of salt up you need sugar and vinegar and a few other items like that to go with it... or you could just trade for it.... 1 pound of salt would keep i person alive for 3 years provided they don't get Sodium form anywhere else.. fact is? sodium is pretty available and you don't evenneed the 1/2 gram per day of salt to survive... sodium is 40% of salt and it ia what you need so bad...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: what could be more worthless than silver? glass beads maybe? LOL Pagan, i haven't even broken a sweat here....
if we went 30 days without a society? someone would be hauling salt from the tributaries up stream for silver or wahtever they can get.
i don't envision a scanrio where people can survive ultimatley that would leave you NEEDING 50 pounds of salt... it in't that scarce unitl you get inot eh very middle of the country...
there has ALWAYS been universal bartering commodities. silver is good because it is not so rare. silver does have some antibiotic properties and is useful as a preservative in liquids, but then you'd have to google that to beleive me... go ahead and try..
as to stealing? i don't recall suggesting i would steal, you suggested i would eat people...other people might be inclined and i would disncline them - i'd eat worms first.
i have no problem with "trading lead for food" that would be part of the daily routine if the scenario were so bad that salt is worth more than gold or silver- i have done Ok buying silver, but i havn't sold any cuz i don't want to.. funny how people are like that... i guess if you wanna put a couple hundred pounds of salt up you need sugar and vinegar and a few other items like that to go with it... or you could just trade for it.... 1 pound of salt would keep i person alive for 3 years provided they don't get Sodium form anywhere else.. fact is? sodium is pretty available and you don't evenneed the 1/2 gram per day of salt to survive... sodium is 40% of salt and it ia what you need so bad...
LMAO. You are getting pretty ridiculous with your attempts at arguments now. So you seem to be now agreeing that silver would NOT be the be all/end all for bartering which was the point of this whole exercise.
And feel free to add more useless side info as usual. The salt argument was more about it's many uses, not just the amount the human body needs to survive(nice diversion though). You should prolly stick to blowing glass, glass(but quit testing the bongs yourself please). Maybe you could sell bottles to carry some of that purified chlorox water you keep going on about. Hey, maybe someone will even use silver to buy it with. LOL!!
Btw, yes you admitted you would rob and steal. Does bartering with lead ring a bell there chief?
Until tomorrow then. Goodnight
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Well what is more important, salt, or ammo? Which was more important during the aftermath of hurricane Katrina?
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So you seem to be now agreeing that silver would NOT be the be all/end all for bartering which was the point of this whole exercise.
pagan, glass beads were used for trading for centuries... and they are more usless thansilver, yet peopl desired them above many things more "useful" -you do not understand the human being at all...
i'm becoming somewhat dissappointed in your failed argumentation here... i have come to expect more from you but i am not perfect, i recognise that..
you go buy your salt, and in twenty years or so when the world is still here, your kids can thank you and my kids will thank me
and if th world i snot here? it won't matter... i am very adaptable, if i make it thru the initial devastation, i'll be fine...
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"pagan, glass beads were used for trading for centuries"
Sounds like a sales promo glass! j/k
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sure it is- sales is where the rubber meets the road...
and paper cash is worhtless, but silver is not. people will still trade for silver coins when everyhtng else is worthless and or gone..
why do we have money at all? cuz it's universal and it's lighter than corn meal and salt and flour... if i have silver and the guy with salt doesn't want it? somebody else with something the guy with salt wants will want my silver. the salt seller knows that too.
this argument is stoopid. i'm a fool for even answering the first taunt.
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yes, but go 100 miles inland without elctricity and gasoline? and suddenly salt is very scarce and hard to get... rains tends to carry it away rather quickly... _________________________________________________
Actually if we go inland quite a ways we get to the real salty place... Salton Sea
quote:Originally posted by glassman: sure it is- sales is where the rubber meets the road...
and paper cash is worhtless, but silver is not. people will still trade for silver coins when everyhtng else is worthless and or gone..
why do we have money at all? cuz it's universal and it's lighter than corn meal and salt and flour... if i have silver and the guy with salt doesn't want it? somebody else with something the guy with salt wants will want my silver. the salt seller knows that too.
this argument is stoopid. i'm a fool for even answering the first taunt.
Geez glass, we were just having a discussion about a hypothetical question with a little good natured ribbing and smack talking thrown in. I didn't mean for you to get your panties in a bunch over it.
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i didn't, i just don't realy like joking around about the pockylips.
the veneer of society is thin... i have spent a great deal of my life actually trying to figure out how to live off the grid without actually doing it.
i agree you can't eat silver, but you also cannot pass salt onto your kids.
after what we've been thru the last few years i find the joke to be in poor taste.
the avrrage person IMO, still does not really want to understnad how bad things were and how close we are to falling back int hole. China's natioaal labor camp makes the likelihood even higher.
as to 'stealing' maybe i was saying that i am not above doing it, but i was not implying that i beleive it's Ok. It's the context of what point society gets to where you will be willing to do it.
for instance, i know where most all the grocery store warehouses are within 100 miles. I just notice stuff like that cuz i pay attention to traffic flow. I didn't google them i just noticed the trucks coming and going...
those warehouses are private property. at what point in the failure of society does private property become meaningless? and how long can you wait before somebody else comes to the same conclusion and gets there first? this is why i don't joke around about it.
alot of people are worried for numerous good reasons. i am not worried, but i have explored these notions. I discovered all the way back in the early 90's how hard a three acre garden is to keep... damn hard... i've raised chickens and rabbits and helped a neighbor raise turkeys.. and dozens of exotics...
i don't want to have to do that to live i do get great pleasure from doing it, but when it's your life, it's work not play and the stakes change...
people today behave like something is guaranteed to them... nothing is guaranteed. God makes no promises, no matter the name of the God. I take from your name you know this too, but i can never be sure. The pagan Gods were attributed with much meanness and much unpredictability while the the modern One Gods are mostly attributed with kindness and the "gift" of Rights. Well that gift giving is a load of crap IMO.
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It shouldnt be THAT hard to live off the grid. Solar, wind, and a water well. Solar windows, solar paint, solar shingles, etc.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: It shouldnt be THAT hard to live off the grid. Solar, wind, and a water well. Solar windows, solar paint, solar shingles, etc.
hard? it's doable cash. it's sunup to sundown tho...
entertainmnet would be waht you make it.. do youplay an instrument? my wife andmost allmy friends do, but as is aid before, my musical abiltiy is limited to being able to load a CD.
i would be just fine working sunup to sundown.. but i would miss TV nad shooting the chit here.. and that would be gone..
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: Originally Posted By Glassman:
yes, but go 100 miles inland without elctricity and gasoline? and suddenly salt is very scarce and hard to get... rains tends to carry it away rather quickly... _________________________________________________
Actually if we go inland quite a ways we get to the real salty place... Salton Sea
true, i avoided the salton sea whn i wasliving in Riverside. The palce was in the news for dying all the time in the 90's... I di dgo to death valley a few times, adn even went to furnace valley .. i enjoyed the desert, i was surprised at how alive it really is when you just stop and set down for twenty minutes.. thing pop out of the ground all over the place... mostly snakes and lizards but stuff you can see no other places... i caught a baby snake that was very tiny one day and brought it home. looked it up and turns out it was baby pygmy rattler with no button... kept it for over a year and took it back to where i caught it with two rattles... i even have video tape of it eating pinkies somewhere...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i didn't, i just don't realy like joking around about the pockylips.
the veneer of society is thin... i have spent a great deal of my life actually trying to figure out how to live off the grid without actually doing it.
i agree you can't eat silver, but you also cannot pass salt onto your kids.
after what we've been thru the last few years i find the joke to be in poor taste.
the avrrage person IMO, still does not really want to understnad how bad things were and how close we are to falling back int hole. China's natioaal labor camp makes the likelihood even higher.
as to 'stealing' maybe i was saying that i am not above doing it, but i was not implying that i beleive it's Ok. It's the context of what point society gets to where you will be willing to do it.
for instance, i know where most all the grocery store warehouses are within 100 miles. I just notice stuff like that cuz i pay attention to traffic flow. I didn't google them i just noticed the trucks coming and going...
those warehouses are private property. at what point in the failure of society does private property become meaningless? and how long can you wait before somebody else comes to the same conclusion and gets there first? this is why i don't joke around about it.
alot of people are worried for numerous good reasons. i am not worried, but i have explored these notions. I discovered all the way back in the early 90's how hard a three acre garden is to keep... damn hard... i've raised chickens and rabbits and helped a neighbor raise turkeys.. and dozens of exotics...
i don't want to have to do that to live i do get great pleasure from doing it, but when it's your life, it's work not play and the stakes change...
people today behave like something is guaranteed to them... nothing is guaranteed. God makes no promises, no matter the name of the God. I take from your name you know this too, but i can never be sure. The pagan Gods were attributed with much meanness and much unpredictability while the the modern One Gods are mostly attributed with kindness and the "gift" of Rights. Well that gift giving is a load of crap IMO.
The joke was not in poor taste at all. because the joking part was not about the "pockylips". The original theorhetical question was about the "pockylips". The ribbing and smack talking was directed at you. You just failed to realize that and went in a totally different direction than was intended.
I grew up on a farm/ranch, so I as well can raise food animals and grow my own veggies. Most Southern/country boys can fend for themselves and live off the land. Just ask Bocephus.
The original question was simple, after a catstrophic event, would you rather have salt
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and my answer was that i would rather have a sack full of silver than a sack full of salt. i am not living on ranch, i was not raised on ranch. what you take for granted having been raised on racnh is how little suburban folks know about living with critters and plants...
i grew up in ground zero. the big bullseye.two hundred soviet nukes trained on us at all times.. my fascination with critters there was considered to be odd at best and downright creepy by many of my peers... the notion of survivalism there was zero. we were garatneed obliteration in th efirst round.
you see my perspective? i have more respect for your background than 90% of the sububanites who mostly run and own this country.
now i do see the value of salt, but i just don't think of it as worth more than gold or silver in almost any situation, so i was just trying to say that without being rude. maybe i was rude and didn't mean to be?
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: It shouldnt be THAT hard to live off the grid. Solar, wind, and a water well. Solar windows, solar paint, solar shingles, etc.
hard? it's doable cash. it's sunup to sundown tho...
entertainmnet would be waht you make it.. do youplay an instrument? my wife andmost allmy friends do, but as is aid before, my musical abiltiy is limited to being able to load a CD.
i would be just fine working sunup to sundown.. but i would miss TV nad shooting the chit here.. and that would be gone..
Entertainment? Isnt that what a wife is for?
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