quote:Originally posted by buckstalker: How bout we get Ron Paul elected...
tell me you'll vote this year buck,
i am going to vote for him in the primary.
it's interesting to watch how the media, and fox too cast him as an abberation. I beleive they did that to Obama once too
i honestly don't care if Obama or Romney get the job. I don't see much differnce 'twixt 'em.
If Ron Paul can somehow get on teh Nov ballot he'll get my vote there too..
that would really make the media and both parties gulp huh
Yes Glass, Not only will I be voting in the primary this year, but I am also contributing $$ to his campaign and volunteering to help him get the nomination...Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that I believe in, and he is the ONLY candidate talking about the REAL issues that are plaguing this country...
quote:Originally posted by Pagan: Do you realistically see Paul on the November ballot? So who will you actually vote for?
Why wouldn't he? He has a much stronger base than any of the others.
And please don't parrot the phrase "he's unelectable" as that is nothing more than a brainwashing tactic used by the establishment to deter politically uneducated voters from voting for him...
Sadly that tactic seems to be working as I was told by 3 family members this past week that they would not vote for Paul because he is "unelectable"
When I asked them "what makes him unelectable"? not one of them had a legitimate response other than "they heard that about him on the "news"
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glad to hear it Buck. my brother (retired army) came to me a month or two ago all excited about Paul, he is also actively campaigning for him. I quickly 'splained to him he didn't need to convince me, but he too is being told by other family members that Paul is unelectable- but he is still pushing on...
i am pretty sure they said teh same thing about Obama
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This is in error in my opinion. I think many of you think we are in a war against a people. That is inaccurate. We are in a war against an idea.
Killing a man who would kill you or is actively attempting to kill another is generally considered acceptable worldwide.
Pissing on the corpse of a man who attempted to kill you but failed is not, even though pissing on a man is so much less of a infraction than killing him. Why? Because of the ideological connotations involved.
These men have endangered the tolerance of a foreign people accepting the activity of our military within their borders not with their guns, but with their cocks.
Remember...to them we are an foreign army with superior training, weapons, and financing. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard to disprove their distrust. Hell... the GDP of the entire country of Afghanistan is less that 15 Billion. In the past 10 years we have spent nearly 500 Billion and gave ourselves a tax cut at the same time. Do the math from their perspective. If I were an educated Afghani I'd be very nervous. If I were an ignorant Afghani I'd be totally freaked.
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I like some of his ideas. I dislike some of his ideas. I think some of his ideas are too historical to ever conceivably be applicable to modern day America.
I support Obama and will not vote for him.
All that said...I believe that he speaks the truth as he sees it and has a genuine desire to improve America for its own sake rather than for his personal gain. I find that very appealing. I would be very happy to see him going one on one against Obama and listening to the conversations that resulted from their debates.
I listen to what Paul says with an attention I do not give Romney or most other political candidates. I am also watching his son, to see if he can live up to his fathers example.
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I am supporting Ron Paul and getting active in his campaign for this reason alone...
He takes no money from special interest groups or lobbyists!!!!!
Look who is donating the big money to both Romney and Obama...They are both getting financed from the SAME "special interest groups" (Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley etc etc.
Therefore the game is rigged...you believe in the illusion that you have a choice in the election because you get to "vote". In reality the special interest groups that paid for the elections are getting the representation that they paid for no matter which candidate wins, and you my bigfooted friend end up with NO ONE representing YOU...
I am very interested to hear the ideas of Paul you dislike and why...
"This is in error in my opinion. I think many of you think we are in a war against a people. That is inaccurate. We are in a war against an idea.
Killing a man who would kill you or is actively attempting to kill another is generally considered acceptable worldwide.
Pissing on the corpse of a man who attempted to kill you but failed is not, even though pissing on a man is so much less of a infraction than killing him. Why? Because of the ideological connotations involved.
These men have endangered the tolerance of a foreign people accepting the activity of our military within their borders not with their guns, but with their cocks.
Remember...to them we are an foreign army with superior training, weapons, and financing. We must hold ourselves to a higher standard to disprove their distrust. Hell... the GDP of the entire country of Afghanistan is less that 15 Billion. In the past 10 years we have spent nearly 500 Billion and gave ourselves a tax cut at the same time. Do the math from their perspective. If I were an educated Afghani I'd be very nervous. If I were an ignorant Afghani I'd be totally freaked." _________________________________________________
We might be in a war against an idea, but believe me those soldiers are in a war against a people.
An idea won't kill you people do!
Ideological connotations don't mean much when it's a life or death situation, do you think it means much to the Taliban?
Remember your one on one with them when your the soldier fighting, you think about to much they put you into a body bag.
I read through that first article and it appears to me everyone is more worried about how we look to everyone else and how the Taliban will react to this type of incident, while we negotiate with them.
My feeling's to that idea is piss on them... not literally
I don't think i would want to pull it out and be filmed anyway... not at my age or any age
Seems like everyone is trying to cover their rearends and no one seems to care about these soldiers.
These same people that put them in combat are basically saying it's now their problem, we wash our hands... nothing but garbage
You might say a lot of things to help protect them some, but you don't bail on them.
If you look at most of these incidents that have made the public eye over the years,(of course you know their are tons more)in all the cases that i have read, these troops have been wallop very recently prior to these incidents.
It seems to happen close to towns,villages etc. which they have been hit(our soldiers) directly by gunfire or by some type of explosive device.
These troops have went into these towns, villages and tried to find these non friendlies, but somehow only find innocent bystanders by our standards.
There is one thing i always wondered, when does the idea every come that in war there is guilt by association or accessory to a crime.
By what i am saying above i am infrancing that killing or wounding an American soldier by the enemy is a crime, when it is someone i am serving with.
We have accessory to crimes when gang members kill someone, why is it different in war?
If this is the case then why are these people that know exactly who set bombs, shot and kill our soldiers, innocent?
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I am very interested to hear the ideas of Paul you dislike and why...
i hope that Ron, if he was elected, is not allowed to make US too isolationist.
I hope that his rhetoric is making people question our willingness to try to impose our will upon other peoples. It goes agianst our Founding Principles to try to make people "become" democratic" if they don't want to.
I know that sounds alien to alot of people but it's just the truth. Not everybody wants Freedom like we do. Most of us are descndants of people that left places to find freedom, it's in our genes and our subconscious. But to assume it is natural for people not to wnat strong leadership is naive.
So, i don't necessarily agree with Ron paul that we should "withdraw" completely from teh rest of the world, but i do think we have attempted interfere too much. Our proxy war with iran using Iraq in the 80's is a good example. It led US to this place we are in now.
I think we should be declaring war officially thru congress if we are going to extend our influence, i am sick of all this unofficial war. it's not honest.
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cast him as an abberation. I beleive they did that to Obama once too ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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