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Will marijuana legalization in Cali kill Obama's 2012 chances?

California's Marijuana Initiative: A Problem for Obama?

If California voters decide to legalize marijuana throughout the state, President Obama will have a decision on his hands.


Politically, it will be a tough one.


Polling now suggests that, if the vote were taken today, the Proposition 19 legalization ballot initiative would pass--Field Research shows 49 - 42 percent support, while Public Policy Polling shows Prop. 19 passing 47 - 38 percent--and pressure is already mounting on the White House to sue California if it does, just as Attorney General Eric Holder's Justice Department is now suing Arizona over its controversial SB 1070 immigration law.


Earlier this month, nine former administrators of the Drug Enforcement Administration sent a letter calling on Obama and Holder to sue if Prop. 19 passes, blocking the statewide legalization of possession and personal growth and the allowance of individual counties to license commercial sale and production of marijuana.


A lawsuit may not be so simple--the federal government may have a better case against Prop. 19's commercial provisions than its sections on personal use--but regardless, if Prop. 19 passes, Obama and Holder will have to decide what to do.


The pressure will likely be intense. Legalized marijuana is practically inconceivable to large swaths of the country, and one can see the broader coalition of social conservatives and concerned moderates reeling in shock on November 3, aghast at California's decadence and lawlessness, and turning to President Obama to put a stop to it.


Make no mistake: the legalization of marijuana in the country's largest state by population, with governmentally sanctioned commercial grow-houses and open storefronts (which will probably arise, according to one longtime marijuana advocate, in Oakland, West Hollywood, and maybe one other county) would be a major change in this country. Commercial distribution of medical marijuana already happens in a few places around the country, and it's allegedly pretty loose in California and Colorado. But outright legalization is a different thing entirely.


If Obama doesn't take action, he'll be seen as the president who let this happen. It could very well lead many people to vote against him in 2012....


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/09/californias-marijuana-initia tive-a-problem-for-obama/63681/

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The problem for Obama is he didnt promise marijuana reform to a group of people his first year in office so they would help him get elected.

However, they do have a good point. Why cherry pick Arizona, and let California do what it wants?

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someboedy, anybody, please tell me where the US govt derives its Constitutional right to control any drug? Or even the right to classify Marijauna as a drug.

if Cali legislates it to legality? people will vote with thier feet and either leave there or move there. i predict it will stimulate their economy.

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The government allows a ton of pharmaceutical pills to be sold to citizens that cause terrible side effects, alcohol which destroys families and contributes to domestic violence, but smoking pot is the demon here....never made sense to me. Tobacco too? I guess they just dont have their lobbyists yet for Marijuana like the other ones do. Saw a good movie last night (seen it before many times) but it was late and it had been a while. Thank you for not smoking.

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this is pretty interesting and give you some reasons why pot is illegal...

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.
* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.
* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.
* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.
* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.
* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.
* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.
* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.
* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture
* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.
* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.
* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.
* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
someboedy, anybody, please tell me where the US govt derives its Constitutional right to control any drug? Or even the right to classify Marijauna as a drug.

THEY DON'T....PERIOD

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Originally Posted By CashCowMoo:

"The problem for Obama is he didnt promise marijuana reform to a group of people his first year in office so they would help him get elected.

However, they do have a good point. Why cherry pick Arizona, and let California do what it wants?"

"The government allows a ton of pharmaceutical pills to be sold to citizens that cause terrible side effects, alcohol which destroys families and contributes to domestic violence, but smoking pot is the demon here....never made sense to me. Tobacco too? I guess they just dont have their lobbyists yet for Marijuana like the other ones do. Saw a good movie last night (seen it before many times) but it was late and it had been a while. Thank you for not smoking."

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I am not sure why they would cherry pick either under the circumstances.

As far as the side effects of pharmaceutical drugs or non pharma. drugs, that's always a chance we take when using just about anything.

Plus the chance of one drug interacting with another, the question as always, is the risk worth the possible benefits of a drug?

As far as families being destoyed, unfortunately a hugh factor leading people to over use things is the lack of money and jobs.

As seen in the headlines today, marriages are failing at higher than normal rates and families are being torn apart because of the economic situation these days.

And as i have said many times before, no one really wants to tackle the major issues which have put our economy in the state it is now in!


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Lots of great tax revenue on marijuana, especially if we could mass produce hemp for export purposes.

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Originally Posted By CashCooMoo:

"Lots of great tax revenue on marijuana, especially if we could mass produce hemp for export purposes."

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Sell a lot to China, get some money back.

Then sell a lot more to Afghanistan and Iraq,
help pay down our debt for the wars and put a little crimp in the poppy sales.

Then the Taliban wouldn't have so much cash to run their opperations.

Problem is to many of our representitives would probably get to it first, or maybe more of them should.

I think those ideas would go up in smoke, no pun intended.


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lol...Hemp originated in China. They are still the biggest producer of hemp in the world. What would they want with our hemp?

Taliban doesn't have much to do with cannabis does it? I thought they were mostly into poppy's and opium. Central and South American cartel's would be the major player affected by legalization. That would be more than worth it right there in my personal opinion though.

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Got some afgan weed many years ago when I was still smoking and it was fairly potent and happy for regular grown.
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It was meant to be a joke, but you never know these days what our representatives might come up with.

Probably be cheaper to ship out of places like Cambodia, Vietnam etc.

Although you might get a special rate by shipping UPS or Fed EX overnight.

Not sure if you could get porch delivery in Afghanistan and parts of China, might cost extra.


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No serious stateside grower relies on any sort of mainline truck with Mid-East or even S. American sources, nowadays.

Back in the day? yeah

I remember clearly the first Cannabis indica I ever saw.

So purple, such sweet, blah blah blah...

Nowadays, the home-grown industry has even assimilated ruderalis, the so-called skunk weed.

Those heavily involved in the trade in these parts credited the Texas A&M aggies with significant contributions toward said agronomy.

Put it this way. If you smoked pot during decades past and had a nice time? The stuff they got nowadays can leave you foundered on a couch (or in a closet).

Lol, I'm not near worried about pot smokers as I would be, for instance, about crank/crack abusers.

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Put it this way. If you smoked pot during decades past and had a nice time? The stuff they got nowadays can leave you foundered on a couch (or in a closet).


i was in the phillipines th efirst time i saw the purple stuff, they called it pacalolo...

hawaii in the early 80's [Wink]

the Hawaiians had hundreds of unusual strains but they were all pretty much green... the way the locals 'splained it to me is that they been enjoying it for centuries,a nd they perfected their strains before haoulies (whites) e'er showed up, but of course that's just the talk..

and then i lived in So Cali in the late 90's...

i think somebody took Indica and mated it with a skunk and called it chronic [Big Grin]

i actaully got annoyed at alot of stoners cuz they'd show up wanting to blow glass, and deny to me that they were incapacitated.

at least half of all glass blowers are pipe makers, and no i'm not one, but i would make alot more money if i was... hmmm.. maybe shoud start drawing up an ew busines plan that includes export to Cali...

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Originally Posted By Glassman:

"at least half of all glass blowers are pipe makers, and no i'm not one, but i would make alot more money if i was... hmmm.. maybe shoud start drawing up an ew busines plan that includes export to Cali..."

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The new law states that any importing of pipes will have hugh tariffs and only cal. grown grass is allowed.

Only original Cal stamped pipes are permitted.

If you use any out of state grass, it must be only used for baking purposes.

You know we do have our pride here to think about.


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makes sense to me.

i don't blame them...

here in MS we don't have snowballs chance in hell getting it legalised unless there's money involved, show us the MONEY bro ! [Big Grin]

we have casinos all over..... i think they are worse than crack, but then i never did crack and i have lost a few $ on the dice and the slots...

i wonder if a can sell my vases to the bong makers without them charging me a tax?

my vases "only" need be drilled, and then the bowl and stem be installed... the vase isn't pyrex like the bolw and stem has to be for theheat..

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Originally Posted By Glassman:

"makes sense to me.

i don't blame them...

here in MS we don't have snowballs chance in hell getting it legalised unless there's money involved, show us the MONEY bro !

we have casinos all over..... i thnk they are worse than crack, but then i never did crack and i have lost a few $ on the dice and the slots...

i wonder if a can sell my vases to teh bong makers without them charging me?

my vases "only" need be drilled, and then the bowl and stem be installed... the vase isn't pyrex like the bolw and stem has to be for theheat..

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Exactly, but the real important part is who will make the money.

Put something in those vases and they would sell like mothers cookies.

If you keep all the weed Cal. grown and test it occasionally for exactly the same strength...depending on the grower

You will know exactly what the tax base will be when sold.

If you import that stronger stuff you lose a hugh tax base because the indivual might go goffey to soon and instead of using three pipe fulls he or she only uses one.

Look at all the tax revenue that would be lost.

Plus if the grower knows someone in gov, he can go out and get some of his brown lawn clippings and throw a few in and his margins would increased, great for a Growing business.

Cal looks like it's heading up the chart as an even stonger nation, economically speaking.


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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:



at least half of all glass blowers are pipe makers, and no i'm not one, but i would make alot more money if i was... hmmm.. maybe shoud start drawing up an ew busines plan that includes export to Cali...

Nah the big money is in fishing lures.. Millions as long as you can find a marketer.
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nah, it's all good... that water's over the fish ladder,
best of intentions often get hung in the gill nets...

what was it palin said if you aren't swimming against the current you're a dead fish? LOL..

i gave few to some frinds that fish out of Biloxi and they caught mahi mahi and tuna out of there...

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and peopl said they like Dubya cuz they felt like they could have beer with 'im?

Dubya partied way better then Obama did until he put the wedding ring thru his nose anyway...

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I would rather get wasted with Bush than Obama. Obama would just talk about himself the whole time, Bush would just do stupid stuff that would keep me laughing.

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yeah but Laura won't let him party...


then she complained cuz he was boring... go figure that...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oTdmbIihl0&feature=related

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quote:
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yeah but Laura won't let him party...


then she complained cuz he was boring... go figure that...

typical wife

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