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State Senator Sylvia Allen Responds to SB 1070



I’m Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. I want to explain SB 1070 for which I voted yes. Rancher Robert Krentz was murdered by the drug cartel on his ranch a month ago. I participated in a senate hearing two weeks ago on the border violence, here is just some of the highlights from those who testified.
The people who live within 60 to 80 miles of the Arizona/Mexico Border have for years been terrorized and have pleaded for help to stop the daily invasion of humans who cross their property . One Rancher testified that 300 to 1200 people a DAY come across his ranch vandalizing his property, stealing his vehicles and property, cutting down his fences, and leaving trash. In the last two years he has found 17 dead bodies and two Koran bibles. Another rancher testified that daily drugs are brought across his ranch in a military operation. A point man with a machine gun goes in front, 1/2 mile behind are the guards fully armed, 1/2 mile behind them are the drugs, behind the drugs 1/2 mile are more guards. These people are violent and they will kill anyone who gets in the way. This was not the only rancher we heard that day that talked about the drug trains. One man told of two illegal’s who came upon his property one shot in the back and the other in the arm by the drug runners who had forced them to carry the drugs and then shot them. Daily they listen to gun fire during the night it is not safe to leave his family alone on the ranch and they can’t leave the ranch for fear of nothing being left when they come back.

The border patrol is not on the border. They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering. They run around chasing them, if they get their hands on them then they can take them back across the border. Federal prisons have over 35% illegal’s and 20% of Arizona prisons are filled with illegal’s. In the last few years 80% of our law enforcement that have been killed or wounded have been by an illegal. The majority of people coming now are people we need to be worried about. The ranchers told us that they have seen a change in the people coming they are not just those who are looking for work and a better life.

The Federal Government has refused for years to do anything to help the border states . We have been over run and once they are here we have the burden of funding state services that they use. Education costs have been over a billion dollars. The healthcare cost billions of dollars. Our State is broke, $3.5 billion deficit and we have many serious decisions to make. One is that we do not have the money to care for any who are not here legally. It has to stop.

The border can be secured. We have the technology and we have the ability to stop this invasion. We must know who is coming and they must come in an organized manner legally so that we can assimilate them into our population and protect the sovereignty of our country. We are a nation of laws. We have a responsibility to protect our citizens and to protect the integrity of our country and the government which we live under. I would give amnesty today to many, but here is the problem, we dare not do this until the Border is secure. It will do no good to give them amnesty because thousands will come behind them and we will be over run to the point that there will no longer be the United States of America but a North American Union of open borders. I ask you what form of government will we live under? How long will it be before we will be just like Mexico , Canada or any of the other Central American or South American country? We have already lost our language, everything must be printed in Spanish. We have already lost our history, it is no longer taught in our schools, and we have lost our borders.

The leftist media has distorted what SB 1070 will do. It is not going to set up a Nazi Germany. Are you kidding? The ACLU and the leftist courts will do everything to protect those who are here illegally, but it was an effort to try and stop illegal’s from setting up businesses, and employment, and receiving state services and give the ability to local law enforcement when there is probable cause, like a traffic stop, to determine if they are here legally. Federal law is very clear, if you are here on a visa you must have your papers on you at all times. That is the law. In Arizona all you need to show you are a legal citizen is a driver license, MVD identification card, Native American Card, or a Military ID. This is what you need to vote or get a hunting license. So nothing new has been added to this law. No one is going to be stopped walking down the street. The Socialists who are in power in DC are angry because we dare try and do something.The Socialists wants us to just let them come. They want the “Transformation” to continue.

Maybe it is too late to save America . Maybe we are not worthy of freedom anymore. But as an elected official I must try to do what I can to protect our Constitutional Republic . Living in America is not a right just because you can walk across the border. Being an American is a responsibility and it comes by respecting and upholding the Constitution, the law of our land, which says what you must do to be a citizen of this country. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

Senator Sylvia Allen

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There is a reason it is called ILLEGAL immigration. BTW, what about all the immigrants who went through the hassle of coming over here LEGALLY and went through the whole process? Blanket amnesty will be a slap in the face.


The left has a major voting base to appease...they need to make those illegals legal so they can keep Obama in office!

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if they make the illegals legal? then who will take the jobs "noboody wants"? more illegals..

once you are legal the employers have to pay up, they don;t want to do that or they'd hire legals to begins with...

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They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering.

That's why I call 'em the bed n boarder patrol...

The rest of that may be scare stories, I dunno. If it's true, though, the military can respond to an armed invasion.

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I remember not long ago they put the guard on the border, they were shot at from Mexico, and they couldnt do anything. They couldnt shoot back and were ordered to retreat. Its about as pathetic as putting the guard in NYC with no ammunition in the magazines.

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quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
They have set up 60 miles away with check points that do nothing to stop the invasion. They are not allowed to use force in stopping anyone who is entering.

That's why I call 'em the bed n boarder patrol...

The rest of that may be scare stories, I dunno. If it's true, though, the military can respond to an armed invasion.

i've always beleived that the most organised smugglers have a lot of help from people in powerful positions here.

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
if they make the illegals legal? then who will take the jobs "noboody wants"? more illegals..

once you are legal the employers have to pay up, they don;t want to do that or they'd hire legals to begins with...

Glass I don't think there are jobs that nobody wants anymore. OK maybe a few but things are a changin.

we have enough of a work force here to last us for decades. IMO

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yes, but when an illgal worker becomes legal? the employment costs go up. hence the employer begins to look for a cheaper replacement. those are the jobs that are supposedly "jobs nobody wants". it's really just that nobody wants the job at the wages the illegals will take.

i don't think amnesty is fair to anybody

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The most ironic thing about this law? Its more symbolic than anything else. Other than telling the Feds that they've had enough, Arizona is merely taking the stand that the Law and Border should stand for something.

Crazy...I know...

The mere fact that the government (under both repub and dem) flat out refuses to enforce the pertinent laws already on the books forces the states into this choice...

Eat the costs and go broke like Cali or try and save yourself like AZ.

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O-Meter Says:

"Ronald Reagan did amnesty."
Rudy Giuliani on Saturday, January 5th, 2008 in a debate in Manchester, N.H.

Yep. Reagan did the A-word

Bookmark this story:
Buzz up!ShareThisThe GOP candidates keep sparring over who's tougher on immigration. In this climate, dem is fightin' words to say your opponent supports "sanctuary" or "amnesty" for illegal immigrants.
But as Giuliani reminded his foes during the Jan. 5, 2008, Republican debate, none other than Ronald Reagan, the patron saint of modern-day conservatism, signed the very law that Republicans call amnesty.

Say it ain't so!

Sorry. It's so. In 1986, Reagan signed an immigration reform bill, the first in 20 years, that legalized the status for 1.7-million people.

Some defenders of the law dispute the term "amnesty."

But here's how Edwin Meese, Reagan's former attorney general, characterizes what his boss did: "President Reagan called this what it was: amnesty. Indeed, look up the term 'amnesty' in Black's Law Dictionary, and you'll find it says, 'the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act provided amnesty for undocumented aliens already in the country.' "

Reagan signed the bill after Republicans and Democrats cobbled together an amnesty program in response to concerns from farmers worried about harvesting profits. The official record of congressional debates shows that lawmakers intended the program to provide a steady supply of labor for growers of perishable crops, such as cherries, grapes, peaches, etc. At the time the bill was written, however, "perishable" was defined so loosely that more durable crops such as potted plants, tobacco and seedlings were lumped in as well.

So even at the start, this program could be interpreted in ways that would benefit employers looking to save on wages.

To qualify for temporary status, migrants had to show they entered the United States before Jan. 1, 1982, and that they had continuously resided since then. They could get permanent residency within 18 months after that if they met certain requirements, such as learning English. The program took effect in 1987, also covering up to 350,000 people who had worked in U.S. agriculture at least 90 days in each of the preceding three years.

Many have called the program a success because it awarded green cards to 2.7-million migrants, giving them the hope of entry to the American middle class.

In exchange for the amnesty, the new law was supposed to have beefed up border patrols and stiffened fines for both the migrant workers and employers in cases of violation. Alas, the law failed to stop illegal immigration, and many critics of the law say the government never thoroughly regulated employers who skirted the law's requirements.

This much is certain: If the law aimed to curb illegal immigration, it failed: When the law was passed, there were about 5-million illegal immigrants; now, there's an estimated 12-million.

When Reagan signed the law, many predicted it would encourage the hiring of more migrants, especially outside of agriculture, and that this would spur the backlash against immigration that we're seeing today.

Giuliani, it would seem, brought up Reagan's legacy to show how difficult the immigration issue is. In doing so, he didn't trip any alarms on the Truth-O-Meter, which scores him a True.

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Not disputing your article, Ray, but why are we attempting to make this partisan...again...

Neither party has towed the line as far as securing our borders...that's why AZ finally HAD to pass this kind of law. TX will be next...dollars to pesos. [Razz]

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Your right both parties are at fault. Republicans just happen to be stupid to boot. Bonzo tried and I give him credit. I will agree that amnesty will not be the answer look at old trickle downs best try.

Go after employer's of illegals and really make it tough. Send employers to prison take there property no jobs illegals go back home. Like I said before the number of illegals has droped in AZ by over 100,000 and dropping every day . Where are they going to other states where they have jobs waiting for them.You won,t make anything partisan again becase the public is getting wise to you.

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