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This is just disgusting. I dont know if anyone watched the Obama dinner the other night. He made a joke about predator drones going after the Jonas brothers if they tried to come at his daughters.
Democrats on the left say that is INSENSITIVE.....seriously? Politically correct liberals are way over the line. You cant say this, you cant say that. Dont say that it might hurt someones feelings.
Do you all know in schools in Los Angeles they dont say the pledge of allegiance in elementary school and instead sing songs in spanish? A friend of mine who moved to LA was shocked to find out about this. They dont want to "OFFEND" the Mexicans by singing the pledge of allegiance....besides, you dont want to say the word GOD or one nation under God because some people might get butt hurt. Did you know in Holland they arent allowed to talk about the farms in school because some of the farms raise pigs and its offensive to muslims?
Sissy liberals always cry and get butt hurt over the dumbest things. Obamas own party critical of him over a dinner joke!
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I'd say what George Carlin calls the PC movement but it probably wouldn't show up because of the profanity filters...
I'll just say, people need to grow a pair and stop acting like a baby when they hear something they dislike. IMO? Political Correctness is just an attempt to squelch free speech.
My cousin is a Jehova's Witness and he never had to say the pledge of allegiance in school because of his religion and I don't recall him being offended that other people were saying it, but that was before anybody had even heard of "PC". Also, I don't recall anyone being offended that he didn't have to say it either, in fact most of us were jealous.
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i have known and loved some real liberals for decades.
they listen to me tell them my conservative views and do not try to squelch my speech. They openly tell me where and why we disagree, on occasion they and i will just listen respectfully.
i don't think people that are into PC are really liberal. Thye have some liberal views but want to dictate how other people behave. Liberalism in pure form implies defining how individual freedoms can and or do not interact, which many liberals do not recognise...
Conservatives on the other hand seem to me be didingenuous when they claim personl freedom is important and then extend that to corporations. Corproations are not people they are just tools. My shovel don't have no rights that i don't give it.
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Well, just so it is clear, I wasn't try to suggest that PC=Liberal. I was just ranting against PC in general. I have met both Liberals and Conservatives that are PC, but in my personal experience, it is often the super-religious conservatives that are the first to pull the "PC" card, especially if you use God's "name" in vain. Also worth noting, George Carlin is considered by many on the right to be a Liberal, and he is as far from PC as they come.
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i wasn't trying to correct you, i was just observing how oddly we define ourselves as liberals and conservatives..
it's odd that many conservatives believe in their own right to privacy but take it away from others with no thoughts, and liberals are for a big government when the root word of liberal is actually liber (latin) meaning free
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Yeah it's all messed up and I'm not sure how we ended up like this. Dunno if you have read any of her works or what you think about her but Ayn Rand summed it up pretty good.
quote:The conservatives see man as a body freely roaming the earth, building sand piles or factories—with an electronic computer inside his skull, controlled from Washington. The liberals see man as a soul freewheeling to the farthest reaches of the universe—but wearing chains from nose to toes when he crosses the street to buy a loaf of bread.
I would only add that for some conservatives, the electronic computer inside their skull is controlled from "Heaven", not Washington.
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i recently read Atlas Shrugs again. I was motivated due to all the people on CNBC complaining about th ebailouts.
I read it the forst time in early high school and thought it was "cool". This lat time i read i realised it it's still cool but it's pretty much romanticism. The real world is much harsher.
She does make a good point in it. The govt ends up being controlled by businesses that are not very successful and they attempt to control the more successful business people with legal maneuvers. In our real world, the more successful business (in terms of cash flow) do control the govt (even the liberals) and get a lot of perks that are detrimental to small startups. It's alot easier for big business to come up with the captial it takes to comply with "environemtnal laws" than it is for startups to do so. The mnoney they spend still goes to another business too...
i know that goes against what a lot of people beleive is happening, but there is always another side to every story...
The Fountainhead was made into a decent movie and i identified with the protagonist to a large degree, but he did some things that we consider terrorism and justified it with his ideals.
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"Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead" were both fictional books written with her "objectivist" ideology in mind, thus, the reason they are a bit romanticized. I agree with most of her political and economic ideals but they are just that; ideals. Something you strive for but probably will never achieve in the real world.
While those two books are the most well known by Rand, I often recommend one of her non-fiction books, "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal", as a good starting point for those who are interested in Rand's economic ideals. She was a Russian immigrant and lived under the Soviet system of Government which, IMO, allowed her to see Capitalism in a way most Americans don't. (We take the capitalist system forgranted. While it is not the best system in the world, like democracy, if left alone, it works better than anything else we have tried before.)
BTW, I think I've mentioned it here before, but an essay on "The Gold Standard" written by Alan Greenspan, (before he became Fed Reserve Chairman), is included in the previously mentioned book and should be considered "required reading" since most blame his ARM's for the latest housing crisis.
Although the "PC" movement wasn't really around when Rand was still alive, I am willing to bet she would have considered it a product of communist ideology.
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yes objectivism is the word, did she move on from that?
i tend to hear more PC "enforcement" from women than men. It's a natural byproduct of the feminist movement. kindalike herstory instead of history etc....
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No, I believe she was an advocate until the day she died. Most of the people I know who adopt objectivist ideals are "lifers". Alan Greenspan is a well known exception, but he may have thought himself to be a real life "John Galt" when he accepted the job as Fed Chairman, (which he rails against in his "Gold Standard" essay), and came up with the idea of adjustable rate mortgages.
And no offense to the ladies out there, but most women I know tend to be more sensitive than men when it comes to offense words so that doesn't surprise me.
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i know they were around in the early 80's i got my RE license in 84 and sold two houses my first month before the Fed raised the rates and i quit... i ddin't want to go on the draw, i have never liked borrowing money.
that's when i learned about them and i was astounded that anybody would use 'em...
they used to only offer balloon mortgages. i dunno when they began 30 years notes, but in the old days? yo got a five or seven year note and only paid interest, then it all came due again so you refied or paid it off...
that's how the "evil" bankers got all the ranches from the orphaned daughters in the balckand white cowboy hat movies...
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I am not positive, but I believe they were originaly his idea. If anything, he was a big advocate for them during his tenure as Fed Chairman and it never made sense to me based on what he claimed to believe during his Objectivist days.
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Just remember....hippies and bra burners were not conservative. Flower children who found their visions from LSD are the types in the administration.
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Got this in an email...pretty much on point.
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".
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If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a conservative is a homosexual, he quietly leads his life pretending to be a heterosexual, takes a career in politics or religion, and then uses the pulpit to publicly damn homosexuals to hell.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show, he rallies his church to boycott it.
Other than that? Looks pretty accurate. And BTW, in regards to your earlier post about "flower children". FWIW, I know a few people who took LSD and burned their bras in the 60's and they are more "down to Earth" than a few of the religious conservatives I have met.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Just remember....hippies and bra burners were not conservative. Flower children who found their visions from LSD are the types in the administration.
Not true...and I have proof
ME...
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Im not against the practice, just the politics! nice pic!
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Your riddles arent that invigorating buck. we have all been there done that, but taking the same mentality from the 60's or 70's to 2010 just isnt going to work.
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Hahaha... Cmon Buckstalker, bust out that old black&white of you burning your bra.
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the liberals i know and love are not blood family.
they are the kind of parents i wish i had but don't.
their kids can do no wrong and even when they do at 40 they still hug them and do whatever they have to, to help them. of course their kids all each have their own house, but spend just as much time at the house their parents bought for themselves as they do at the house the parents bought for their kids. They pay for their grandkids private schools. They help take care of other kids in the neighborhood that are dysfunctioanl.
why couldn't my parents be liberal? i come from the conservative throw your kid in the deep end to find out how to swim group.
in essence they are really good people with their hearts on their sleeve, and yo cannot help but to really love them if you know them, the problem is that their kids are not growing up, and they are way too tolerant of bad behaviour of other kids (adults now that also won't grow up).
these are people with real wealth partly inherited and moslty hard-earned. i learned long ago form them and a few other like them that there is a flip side to conservatism and have become more sensitive many aspects of liberal ideals. BUT! i still recognise that ideals, whther they liberal or conservative are simply wishes. we live in th ereal world and if you want your kids to walk on their own two feet you have to stick your foot you know where once in awhile and at just the right time and angle.
Billary are not true liberals they are control freaks- Dubya was not a true conservative cuz he never saw a spending bill he didn't like. He most definitley was not control freak.
Why is it that conservatives don't practice conservation?
at one time i counted myself a real consevative, but the Neo-cons made me switch to independant.
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"May Day is our day. A day when trade unionists, anarchists and socialists gather to state clearly that another world is possible. "
Yeah, because those three groups when getting together dont riot and destroy. REAL peaceful.
I was reading through that website and some notes made me feel like I was reading a North Korean propoganda site.
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Why are all closet homosexuals in the Republican Party? Or YABAN. May 5, 2009, 6:00PM
In his definitive lefty blog, Quinn the Esqimo Rocks: HOW TO BLOG GOOOOOD, dickday invites us to blog about nothing and even hands out titles for the nothing to be about. So here is Yet Another Blog About Nothing that asks the question we all care about: Why are all closet homosexuals in the Republican Party?
I'm so glad you asked. You see, the Republican practice of closet homosexuality goes back to the 1950's when an inventory of closets revealed the likes of J. Edgar Hoover, Whittaker Chambers and Roy Cohn, for starters. Many others have joined their Republican anti-communist comrades in the closets since that time and what with the Republican respect for tradition and so forth, closets have been reserved for Republican homosexuals ever since.
But think about it. Where else would you expect Republicans to keep their homosexuality? Should they keep it in the dining room breakfront right next to their wedding china? The answer is no, because obviously there is no room for homosexuality in there amongst the 16 gravy boats that nobody ever uses. And it is a well known fact among interior decorators that china and homosexuality don't match and should never be placed side by side.
By now you are probably wondering about the garage. It is true that the garage has certain advantages over a closet. For one thing, it is usually large enough so they can practice their tap-dancing moves, which are catchy little toe taps that some homosexuals use when they take their homosexuality out of the closet for exercise. Unfortunately, tap dancing requires so much concentration that the homosexual is in danger of getting run over by a car entering the garage, especially if the car is driven by the homosexual's spouse when the 11 PM news happens to catch their homosexual husband exercising his hang-ups.
The living room is out because that's where Republicans keep their family and moral values. They like to drape them all over the couches and chairs in the living room so they can better protect them from lefty intruders with their 2nd Amendment guns. Of course, because homosexuals tend to practice their homosexuality more than their target practicing, they usually end up shooting the neighbor's dog or their own foot first. It should also be noted that there is no recorded, or unrecorded, case of lefty assaults on family and moral values except in the unconscious minds and blogs of Republicans.
So why are the closeted homosexuals only in the Republican party? Sociologists and certain members of the lefty blogging community have puzzled over this conundrum ever since the birth of Zeusandra the Queer in 9000 B.C. The only thing I can figure is that Democrats don't have hang-ups in the closet. They just throw their stuff all over the bedroom or where ever and leave it out in the open for all to see and someone else to pick up. But you are free to form your own opinion on that subject.
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Aparantley I just don't like any side, because this is what this all about "pick a side, quick, or your un-American" And if objecting to a girl burning her bra makes me a liberal, sieg heil and fire away, i thought i was conservitive for objecting to people expressing themselves with their body? I am so confused, the governmet needs to tell me what I think.
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I see dirt on both sides jim. Nice to see you btw. Once I started picking up on how wall street, oil, health care companies, LABOR, and a list of others all influence both parties you see that the dollar is the real politician...not the person.
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