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Truth is, they are just here because Earth girls are easy... If this saucer is rockin...

Seriously though, I wanna see a UFO, but I better see aliens inside it because a light that moves across the sky in a way that doesn't seem to be the way people normaly think aircraft move isn't good enough evidence for my skeptical mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FntmoFJP1Ts

Stealth Fighters were first built in the early 80's but the public wasn't aware of them until the Gulf War in the early 90's. I agree with Tex. The Gov has aircraft they are not telling us about.

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i agree about aircraft we don't know about, however, i have a problem with them having aircraft that are able to defy what we perceive as unbreakable laws of physics.

to point? changing direction immediately seems to defy the law of conservation of energy. the energy involved in straight line flight cannot be simply redirected, we have to use some other energy to to change direction.

"breaking" this kind of fundamental law would be hard to keep under wraps. IMO

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I see your point Glass, but I would have to witness this "instant change in direction" for myself. I don't know what you experienced, but I do know that most people have very poor vertical perception, especially at night. What may seem like an instant change in direction could simply be the result of thrust vectoring viewed from far enough away that it only seems instantaneous.

This is nothing more than the light of Venus reflecting off of Swamp Gas; look over here please.

::FLASH::

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i never saw anything that changed direction like i described, just listening to the stories...

what i have seen were lights not moving and then disappearing... coulda been fatigue and altitude...

i would like to see one too.

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to point? changing direction immediately seems to defy the law of conservation of energy.

That's what i saw...right angles, basically. Night sky, so you can't say what curve the "first-base runner" made outside the baseline. But from home plate to first base was too fast to be explained by any known "jet," and then the "phase-shift" to second base was damn near a right angle.

I don't care if there's aliens or not; there's way more than enough wonders for me. I don't need "aliens-breeded-with-Egyptians" to keep me interested: No dog in that hunt, but I know what I saw--and whatever it was, it was definitely an "unknown object."

And, it was flying... thus, I feel confident in the term, UFO.

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Look, put it this way.

Sometimes I sit at intersections in heavily developed urban communities, where most drivers are zoned out, zombied up...and mostly pissed off.

Where do you think their eyes are focused?

I look up and look around and see ducks, geese, hawks, even hummingbirds and woodpeckers. Sometimes I see stuff so amazing (to me), I nearly jump outta the truck. For instance, I've seen hawks take rabbits (or moles or shrews, whatever) mere yards from the roadway--yet no other driver around me seems even the slightest bit interested.

I got a paisano (roadrunner) that comes up on my porch, lol. I'm willing to guess that my neighbors at the end of the block have never seen him.

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You have jack rabbits down there tex?

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sure, man

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/species/rabbit/

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Wow there are all sorts of cool animals in Texas! Ocelots, Red Wolves, Bears, Mountain Lions, Jaquarundi, Coati, and the list goes on.

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yup, basically...ten different eco-regions

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Tex, what is it like living so close to the border of basically a corrupt third world country? The illegals have got to be all over Texas just as much as Arizona. Do you notice any impacts on your personal life because of it?

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Sure, but only adversely so since about the past five years. Used to be, the "A-team" was here, with many excellent craftsmen and really hard workers. Most of the kids in my youth program had at least some family members undocumented, but they were a great bunch of kids: facile with both languages, able to take direction, quick learners, etc., etc. They were extremely disciplined, too--is a major reason we won so much. The sterotyped "lazy, ignorant" is simply a big, ol' hairy myth.

On the other hand, in the past years, the B- and even C-team has showed up. Makes a construction site unpleasant via rude, boorish behavior. Almost all the dents & dings on my truck are from this crowd. Plus, an already highly competitive market gets even more so. What's really bad is, it not only hurts wages but also consumers who don't know better: nobody really "wins."

All that being said, in many ways we Tejanos have more in common with each other than we do with peeps from other parts of the U.S. Our food, music, culture, work ethic are almost inextricably intertwined and have been for many generations now. There are some wonderful, hopeful aspects at play, too. For instance, no one can deny the lingering, pernicious racism in this country. Yet, in my neighborhood, I frequently see Mexicanos, blacks and anglos trading at stores that may be owned by Asians or Mid-Easterners. I open the door for them, they for me, and we speak to each other at least civilly, if not warmly. That's a vast improvement from the old days. For instance, I'm old enough to remember a neighborhood kid's flinging a small painted board into the back of a black man's horse-drawn wagon, pulled daily near our house for whatever work he was doing. What was painted was "KKK."

The kid (I knew him, and still do) didn't really understand what he was doing; he just figured it was a mean-funny prank. If I reminded him of that today, he would be mortified. Regardless, his subsequent repentance didn't do anything to lessen that working man's fear and concern for his children. How soon he realized that it was merely a child's prank, I have no way to assess.

That's a long way to get to my short answer. Yes, I don't like the current immigration policy, for a number of reasons. Foremost, it strains long-term, very pleasant bonds and causes hardships we shouldn't have to put up with.

PS: I only now re-read your original question. Must say, when I first saw the word "corrupt," I thought you were referring to the U.S.

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quote:
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Sure, but only adversely so since about the past five years. Used to be, the "A-team" was here, with many excellent craftsmen and really hard workers. Most of the kids in my youth program had at least some family members undocumented, but they were a great bunch of kids: facile with both languages, able to take direction, quick learners, etc., etc. They were extremely disciplined, too--is a major reason we won so much. The sterotyped "lazy, ignorant" is simply a big, ol' hairy myth.

On the other hand, in the past years, the B- and even C-team has showed up. Makes a construction site unpleasant via rude, boorish behavior. Almost all the dents & dings on my truck are from this crowd. Plus, an already highly competitive market gets even more so. What's really bad is, it not only hurts wages but also consumers who don't know better: nobody really "wins."

All that being said, in many ways we Tejanos have more in common with each other than we do with peeps from other parts of the U.S. Our food, music, culture, work ethic are almost inextricably intertwined and have been for many generations now. There are some wonderful, hopeful aspects at play, too. For instance, no one can deny the lingering, pernicious racism in this country. Yet, in my neighborhood, I frequently see Mexicanos, blacks and anglos trading at stores that may be owned by Asians or Mid-Easterners. I open the door for them, they for me, and we speak to each other at least civilly, if not warmly. That's a vast improvement from the old days. For instance, I'm old enough to remember a neighborhood kid's flinging a small painted board into the back of a black man's horse-drawn wagon, pulled daily near our house for whatever work he was doing. What was painted was "KKK."

The kid (I knew him, and still do) didn't really understand what he was doing; he just figured it was a mean-funny prank. If I reminded him of that today, he would be mortified. Regardless, his subsequent repentance didn't do anything to lessen that working man's fear and concern for his children. How soon he realized that it was merely a child's prank, I have no way to assess.

That's a long way to get to my short answer. Yes, I don't like the current immigration policy, for a number of reasons. Foremost, it strains long-term, very pleasant bonds and causes hardships we shouldn't have to put up with.

Interesting perspective
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speaking animals taking others? i got to watch a bobcat take rabbits in the full winter moon over snowy plains. it was vivid bright black and white...

the other that i actually got some video of was a praying mantis that had (already) just caught a hummingbird in the cypress vine in my back yard. that one was disturbing and i wish i had my nikon for that cuz it would have made a good "art shot".

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