quote:Originally posted by raybond: I stand with the officer right or worng period and cops never apologise for there actions period have you ever seen one do it.
Officers enforce the law wether it easy or hard and sometimes not pleasent to do so.
Officers also take a lot of crap from people that they should not have to take.
Maybe you folks well wake up one day and figure out that we are whats stands between you and the animals police pick them up and corrects keeps them off the streets.
Way, way too often the cops *are* the animals...
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Calling someone racist doesn't make it the truth, Glass. Gates had absolutely NO basis to assume Crowley was racist. Neither did Obama. Yet both are going to get away with calling him one because noone will call them on it for fear of being called racist themselves.
Obama did not call him one. i posted you the exact quote.
Obama said: And number three - what I think we know separate and apart from this inciden - is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately, and that's just a fact."
i beleive that you are hearing what you want to hear.
i also beleive you are ignoring what you want to ignore.
it IS just a fact.
if it isn't an acknowledged problem? then why does Gates give a class on it?
as for your statement about not being angry to have to prove who you are in your own home?
i don't beleive you. if it was demanded of you out of context? you would be angry, and we do not know in what context it was demanded yet.
in any case? i get pretty annoyed every time i get stopped at roadblock, but i comply.
Go sit in your yard and start screaming obscenities at passers-by, Glass. See what happens. Tell the cops that you are just exercising your freedom of speech.
uh, last i checked? obscenities were not part of this discussion.
the cops decided to make sure this guy understood that they are not to be argued with, an d we all know that.
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Here's an article written by a UCLA Law Professor.
Adam Winkler Professor at UCLA School of Law Posted: July 25, 2009 03:35 PM
On Thursday, President Obama weighed in on the arrest of African-American Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates, saying a Cambridge police officer "acted stupidly" when he arrested Gates for disorderly conduct. The next day, Obama backed down from his harsh comment.
Obama was right the first time.
I don't know if the police officer arrested Gates because of the Harvard professor's race. A lot of white people would say that if they mouthed off to a cop, they too would be arrested.
But one thing is clear: Gates did not violate any law. Under Massachusetts law, which the police officer was supposedly enforcing, yelling at a police officer is not illegal.
There are clear decisions of the Massachusetts courts holding that a person who berates an officer, even during an arrest, is not guilty of disorderly conduct. And yet that is exactly what Gates was arrested for.
The Massachusetts statute defining "disorderly conduct" used to have a provision that made it illegal to make "unreasonable noise or offensively coarse utterance, gesture or display," or to address "abusive language to any person present." Yet the courts have interpreted that provision to violate the Massachusetts Constitution's guarantee of freedom of speech. So police cannot lawfully arrest a person for hurling abusive language at an officer.
In several cases, the courts in Massachusetts have considered whether a person is guilty of disorderly conduct for verbally abusing a police officer. In Commonwealth v. Lopiano, a 2004 decision, an appeals court held it was not disorderly conduct for a person who angrily yelled at an officer that his civil rights were being violated. In Commonwealth v. Mallahan, a decision rendered last year, an appeals court held that a person who launched into an angry, profanity-laced tirade against a police officer in front of spectators could not be convicted of disorderly conduct.
So Massachusetts law clearly provides that Gates did not commit disorderly conduct.
The Cambridge Police should be training their officers to know the difference between legal and illegal conduct. What Gates did was probably not so smart -- in general, be nice to people carrying guns -- but it wasn't disorderly conduct. At least not in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
That explains why the charges against Gates were dropped. It wasn't because the police were trying to defuse the situation. It was because Gates had done nothing illegal.
Arresting someone for doing something that isn't illegal is pretty stupid.
Then again, perhaps Obama was wrong. Maybe the police officer wasn't acting stupidly. He was just acting abusively. That is even worse.
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The City of Cambridge and the Cambridge Police Department have recommended to the Middlesex County District Attorney that the criminal charge against Professor Gates not proceed. Therefore, in the interests of justice, the Middlesex County District Attorney’s Office has agreed to enter a nolle prosequi in this matter.
The City of Cambridge, the Cambridge Police Department, and Professor Gates acknowledge that the incident of July 16, 2009 was regrettable and unfortunate. This incident should not be viewed as one that demeans the character and reputation of Professor Gates or the character of the Cambridge Police Department. All parties agree that this is a just resolution to an unfortunate set of circumstances.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: From the joint press release:
The City of Cambridge and the Cambridge Police Department have recommended to the Middlesex County District Attorney that the criminal charge against Professor Gates not proceed. Therefore, in the interests of justice, the Middlesex County District Attorney’s Office has agreed to enter a nolle prosequi in this matter.
The City of Cambridge, the Cambridge Police Department, and Professor Gates acknowledge that the incident of July 16, 2009 was regrettable and unfortunate. This incident should not be viewed as one that demeans the character and reputation of Professor Gates or the character of the Cambridge Police Department. All parties agree that this is a just resolution to an unfortunate set of circumstances.
The release of such a press release is one of the more intelligent things I have read in a while.....I hope that both sides stick by this "joint" statement and seek no other recourse.
Tempers fly all the time. It is refreshing when the responsible parties from both sides "appear" to acknowledge that perhaps there demonstrated course was not necessarily the right one.
However, I would like to float this idea as a trial baloon.......in my mind neither the police or Mr. Gates are the real villains.....perhaps the "bad guy" is the media.
In an effort to fill up time slots on 24 hour news networks; "incidents" are magnified well beyond there merit.........Thoughts?
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do you really htink the media blew this way more than it really was? I for one don't.
Professor Gates said what he said and the officer responded like he did.
Mr. Gates felt he was in his own house and felt he did not have to put up with anything and the Officer was trying to get an ID to see for sure who he was.
I really think the whole mess would have never happened if the Univercity ploice responded they would have known Gates and asked if he was ok and left. Which is really how s professor wants to and exsoects to be treated.
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P-Yes officer I locked myself out, I live here. O-Can I see an ID please.. P-Why yes here you go... O-Thank you sir... P-Thank you for checking I am who I say I am
Pretty simple wouldn't you say? On both ends.
2 years ago a so called friend stole one of my cards and charged up almost $3000 dollars at various stores. If the cashiers did there JOB AND ASKED FOR ID to check that they he was who he was I wouldn't have been out the money until he repaid it. Pretty simple request!
And if the officer had taken his word and he was a burgler and left all holy hell would have broke loose.
Yes the officer may have over reacted, but the Professor also acted like a little punk! Come on have a little common sense guy! I've never seen so much bickering and your wrong I'm right BS in these forums where everyone bends the truth for there view. How about looking at it for what it is. Ridiculous!
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Some updates coming out on the tape. Looks like this was turned into one big racial event by the one being arrested using the race card/race baiting.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: I want to see ALL the details come out before I make a decision. Wonder why they wont release everything yet...legal stuff?
Wow that's a first... you waiting for all details lol can't stay stop Mooing to this one...
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Im sure this is going to be blamed on being inherited from the previous administration just like everything else that goes wrong.
I spoke too soon...
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This was about race before the event even happened.
"As always, whitey now sits in judgment of me, preparing to cast my fate. It is your decision either to let me blow with the wind as a nonentity or to encourage the development of self. Allow me to prove myself."
As always....."whitey" now sits in judgement of me. Bitter anyone?
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