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Czars for everything and everyone! A czar is not new in America, heck Ronald Regan had a drug Czar. This is going too far though, and we have never had as many czars in America as we do and will have.
Anyone surprised? Can anyone here explain why there is such a big focus on czars and the control they are anointed?
Obama says "I dont want to run the auto industry" so he gets a car czar. He doesnt want to run the banking industry.....czar for that now too. He doesnt want to run so many things people are afraid of the government taking over and running and yet he appoints czars with broad powers over those industries.
This was all foretold!!!!! Higher taxes, bigger government, anti-business, etc
Am I wrong? Is spending now just way out of control? Are trillion dollar spending bills NOT being rushed through congress without examination and pork?
Do you want Obama dictating what kinds of cars we are allowed to buy? This is sick, and its getting ugly.
DO YOU WANT A GOVERNMENT RUN BY NUMEROUS CZARS?
Now we have a new GM CEO from AT&T who said he knows nothing of cars????
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He wont talk about capping union bosses pay....they helped him get elected!!
Way to go Obama...get elected for telling everyone you are going to end the war in Iraq by bringing a brigade home every month....everyone bought it and now look.
forget Iraq we need a big health care plan. Havent heard a peep about fixin social security.
This administration is forming a czar mafia and they are going to do whatever they want.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: How about the corporate executive czar who can decide how much a CEO should be paid. But Obama doesn't want to run things. Haaaaaaa
tell me gentlemen, do you think a comapny that collapsed and had to be bailed out should be able to allow it's captains to set their own pay?
your complaints are actually funny. limbuggers a comedian (a poor one) but failure to recognise that has become the bane of the GOP
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Its not bailed out companies glass, this is going to spread to companies who didnt take bailout money. Just give it time....you will see them try.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Its not bailed out companies glass, this is going to spread to companies who didnt take bailout money. Just give it time....you will see them try.
comeon man, i'm the king of paranoid conspiracy theory, and i'm not buying that one.
how about this, say you are a scumbag banker who's managed to stay on the payroll somehow while your company lost its ass and got bailed out, now you've been given all this govt money, and your thinking wow, this was so good, i'm gonna figger out how ta do-it'gin. Obama appoints a bossman who say sure do it again, and you'll be making 20$ per hour for the rest of your life...
if Obama didn't appoitn this particular "czar" (i don't lik e'em either) everybody would be beaching about how the companies just took the money and did whatever they wanted, oh wait, i've already been hearing that too...
it's a bad scene all'round. but this ain't the one to be pointing at...
have you ever looked at CEO compensation with a critical eye?
the people who set the salaries are BOD, they are on the take too. they play the options these day since they can't do "inside" trades anymore, but they still do the same ol' same ol'..
i don't like all this "czar" business at all either, but i have no friggin idea how to avoid it since wall st proved itself completely dis honest last year.
i'd prefer to see them build a new penitentiary to hold half the players on wall st, where they belong, but we know that ain't gonna happen.
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Radical idea......let unprofitable business fail.
No Czars....lots of beaching (thanks glass ).
No Bail outs....(damn, a world where you get what you earn).
"To big to fail" does not exist......just ask Goliath.
I work for an auto supplier.....if it costs my job to adhere to proven princple.....so be it.
Dont give me that everything will come undone bull****.
When a business fails....another prospers; or....one springs up to to take advantage....capitalism. Have some faith in balance.
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When a business fails....another prospers; or....one springs up to to take advantage....capitalism. Have some faith in balance.
i thought we already agreed that the US has to maintain an industrial base to survive in th eworld?
had we allowed the banks to fail? everything would have been gone, osmabinalivetoolong would have won his gambit to bring down America.
face it, Bush and Cheney LOST a major battle in the war on terror. they proved themselves to be complete fools, and make no mistake, the Bush economic stimulus plan is why we failed.
this whole notion that you would rather stick to your ECONOMIC principles than feed your family is a lot of hooey...
to put it bluntly? i would kill to feed my family if that's what it came down to, and we came pretty close to having just that. i personally think this whole notion of too big to fail is why were got into this mess in the first place, we once had a policy of not allowing co's to be too big to fail (mostly thru antitrust laws)...
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No Bail outs....(damn, a world where you get what you earn).
the Great Depression ended when we entered WW2. the war to end all wars was a govt bailout where everybody got on the same page, but it took Pealr Harbour to actually do that ..
no bailouts this past year? no country next year. the Cold War with the USSR was not won by US, it was lost by the Kremlin, and the war in Afghanistan had alot to do with it. think about it.
how many traitors do we have in our midst in this current global war we are in?
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Bush calls for $145 billion stimulus package President sees tax rebates as a way to give economy a 'shot in the arm'
updated 1:32 p.m. CT, Fri., Jan. 18, 2008
WASHINGTON - President Bush, acknowledging the risk of recession, embraced about $145 billion worth of tax relief Friday to give the economy a “shot in the arm. “
give away money to the people "fix" our problems? LOL... that's socialism.
people loved it.
but have the govt INVEST in failing companies to keep peoples jobs? not conservative? LOL... it's all just a pile of manure. if the jobless rate goes above 20 to 25% our economy enters into a death spiral like we were in after the '29 crash.
and we lowered taxes on investments too:
Bush dividend tax plan falls short.(Opinion)(Brief Article)
Article from: Crain's Chicago Business Article date: January 20, 2003
As tax reform, President George W. Bush's plan to exempt stock dividends from federal income taxes makes perfect sense. Few would argue that it's fair or logical to tax business profits once at the corporate level and again at the individual level when they're paid out as dividends.
But the president is selling his plan as economic stimulus, and on that score, its benefits are indirect at best. Eliminating the tax on dividends at the individual level won't do anything to alleviate the main source of drag on the economy during the past two years-slack business investment. In fact, it will create more pressure on companies to pay out their earnings as dividends ...
what these idiots did was try to hit the economic engine with nitrous when they were already too lean on fuel, which is true productivity. you gotta have enough fuel to use nitrous or you'll destroy your pistons by reduction. they didn't tax and spend, they borrowed and spent, and they told everybody in the country to do it too...and the foolish did.
will the bailouts return US to true productivity? i have no idea, but that's the real wakeup call here. we need to make steel, we need nuclear power plants, we need wind and solar energy. we need to stop importing more goods and energy than we produce. period.
Bold Bush. (Editorial).(evaluation of George W. Bush economic stimulus plan)(Editorial) Publication: Arkansas Business Date: Monday, January 13 2003
PRESIDENT BUSH CAUGHT A lot of people off guard with a $674 billion economic stimulus plan that makes some of the most sweeping changes in years.
Is Bush's plan the right one for the times? Is a stimulus plan even needed now? No matter how the stock market looks or how skittish consumers may feel, the U.S. economy actually grew at a fairly healthy pace last year. And the president's proposal would unquestionably widen the budget deficit, at the same time that we are facing a possible war with Iraq whose price tag is unknown
make no mistake, Bush was not conservative, but he elicited the support and got the votes of conservatives. now the "conservatives" are trying to destroy what's barely left of our country too..
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Dont give me that everything will come undone bull****.
this is the part that most Americans still don't seem to get.
we did collapse.
Investment banking From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The last two major bulge bracket firms on Wall Street were Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley until both banks elected to convert to traditional banking institutions on September 22, 2008, as part of a response to the U.S. financial crisis.[1] Barclays, Citigroup, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, HSBC, JP Morgan Chase, Banco Santander, BBVA and UBS AG are "universal banks" rather than bulge-bracket investment banks, since they also accept deposits (though not all of them have U.S. branches).
Investment Banks are now dead and buried in the US.
just two years ago? they were touted as the US answer to the new global economy, and they were going to keep US "on top" for the 21st century, cuz we stopped making everything else
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Czars for everything and everyone! A czar is not new in America, heck Ronald Regan had a drug Czar. This is going too far though, and we have never had as many czars in America as we do and will have.
Anyone surprised? Can anyone here explain why there is such a big focus on czars and the control they are anointed?
Obama says "I dont want to run the auto industry" so he gets a car czar. He doesnt want to run the banking industry.....czar for that now too. He doesnt want to run so many things people are afraid of the government taking over and running and yet he appoints czars with broad powers over those industries.
This was all foretold!!!!! Higher taxes, bigger government, anti-business, etc
Am I wrong? Is spending now just way out of control? Are trillion dollar spending bills NOT being rushed through congress without examination and pork?
Do you want Obama dictating what kinds of cars we are allowed to buy? This is sick, and its getting ugly.
DO YOU WANT A GOVERNMENT RUN BY NUMEROUS CZARS?
Now we have a new GM CEO from AT&T who said he knows nothing of cars????
Am I wrong? I . . . yes, you are...
and as far as ugly goes? It was *way* uglier before this administration.
quote:Originally posted by rounder1: Radical idea......let unprofitable business fail.
No Czars....lots of beaching (thanks glass ).
No Bail outs....(damn, a world where you get what you earn).
"To big to fail" does not exist......just ask Goliath.
I work for an auto supplier.....if it costs my job to adhere to proven princple.....so be it.
Dont give me that everything will come undone bull****.
When a business fails....another prospers; or....one springs up to to take advantage....capitalism. Have some faith in balance.
I guess you can't read the writing on the wall. Chrysler and GM are closing a big percentage of dealerships. Not only will the thousands of people be out of work from the closing of those dealerships but local businesses that relied on them such as Auto Suppliers will be forced to cut back.
Your job is in jeopardy.
I have no faith in balance since the balance you are talking about is controlled by Wall Street for the most part and they can sure unbalance a balance sheet.
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Remember before the stimulous passed how against it many were? Well hardly any on this board were against it, but I remember I sure was. I knew the job numbers are all just made up. Nobody really knows, but they do their white house briefings and say they will save millions and millions of jobs. Have a big magic show and all.
Now what opponents said would be, and others said would not happen...is going on.
Biden tells "Meet the Press" that "everyone guessed wrong" on the impact of the stimulus, economy was worse off than anyone thought.
Backs away from the estimate that the funds could create or save 3.5 million jobs, instead promises 600,000 by the end of the summer.
People are going to start waking up soon and realizing how much money Obama does plan on spending, and....what has to be done to get it. We are already dried up on borrowing money so taxes will be inevitable. CRAZY taxes are going to start popping up.
"After enjoying months of towering poll numbers, legislative victories and well-received foreign policy initiatives, the White House has become increasingly concerned that President Obama's spending plans, which would require $9 trillion in government borrowing over the next decade, could become a political liability that defines the 2010 midterm elections."
That was from the Washington Post. People are going to start realizing that the dog and pony show to get obama in office is over.
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We are already dried up on borrowing money so taxes will be inevitable.
welcome to the real world cash. who borrowed all that money?
all that borrowing ( more foreign money by Bush than all other presidents combined) being dried up is why "conservatism" as it was known (i disagree) is dead and Obama is in office.
there's nothing to wake up about. people know. some of us knew four years ago.
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I would like to share two posts by others on a website I was on tonight. I agree with them both completely. One, sheds an opinion on liberals today. The second post is about how Republicans blew it during the years they had to change things for the better. Sad isnt it?
Liberal Post:
The author is right in one large sense that spells doom for America: the "new liberalism" is self contradictory. They can't have their cake and eat it too. They want the benefits of the free market but not the risks. They want freedom, but they don't want the responsibility to fight for it. They want everyone to have a nice home, they just don't want it built in their neighborhood. They want sound environmental policies, but not if it means a 5-story building will be built on their block. They want even more "rights", but no responsibility.
Park Slope is a microcosm of the new liberalism, but it is also the greatest example of why it will fail. Just like your typical Park Slope liberal has no idea how or why their beautiful neighborhood came to be, they also do not understand how the high standard of living they enjoy is the direct result of the system of society they repudiate.
When this country descends further into chaos, they will wonder how they got there. Today is not the beginning of a new era, a vindication of aged hippies - it is the last gasp of a utopian dream cooked up by the intellectual elite and propaganda masters of this nation. When it fails, and there is no question in my mind that it will, our society will be so consumed with nihilism there is almost no chance that it will survive. You combine this coming future with the sudden rise of identity politics, demonstrated repeatedly on this very site, and you have a recipe for civil unrest henceforth unknown in the history of America.
Republican post:
Unfortunately, it seems that those who believe in free markets and free trade are in for a long winter ahead. Speaking as a conservative and a Republican, we have no one to blame but ourselves for this state of affairs. My blood boils when I think of how the Republicans squandered their opportunity for meaningful reform when they had both houses of Congress and the Presidency. I blame two people in particular: Tom DeLay, who lost sight of our principles and allowed the Congress to decay into a spending free-for-all, and George Bush, who, as nominal head of the party, didn't knock some heads to put a stop to it. He never exercised the power of the veto.
Now all we have to look forward to is watered-down socialism. I agree that the inevitable corruption will actually be helpful, in that we won't get all the government that the new Messiah envisions.
Polemcist: you are correct about Park Slopers. They are folks who feast on the architectual remnants of a time and ethos that is anathema to them. The self-contradiction in their thoughts will lead to paralysis. We are headed for another Jimmy Carter presidency.
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Speaking as a conservative and a Republican, we have no one to blame but ourselves for this state of affairs. My blood boils when I think of how the Republicans squandered their opportunity for meaningful reform when they had both houses of Congress and the Presidency.
it's worse than simply squandering a chance at meaningful reform. on 9-20? after the initial shock wore off? Bush had the whole free world standing on the palm of his hand and he didn't have a rational clue what to do with it.
all he could think about was how to outdo his skydiving at 75 (and then 80 and then 85) old man.
the opportunities that were presented to them were not simply squandered, they were fully abused for personal gain.
this is nothing new, and liberal and and conservatives both suffer from it. Hillary voted to give Bush the right to go Baghdad if he wanted. what was sh e trading for the vote? cuz it sure wasn't an intelligence brief with satphotos of weapons sites. Remeber we were flying mission s daily over Iraq, we had satellites on the country and we had AWACS supporting the missions. we knew everything we needed to know. All this crap about WMD being there is hooey. We had no hard intel and everybody knew that. These people do know the difference between hard intel and guesswork. Don't beleive them when they say it was just a bad guess. All guesses are bad in war.
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: Radical idea......let unprofitable business fail.
No Czars....lots of beaching (thanks glass ).
No Bail outs....(damn, a world where you get what you earn).
"To big to fail" does not exist......just ask Goliath.
I work for an auto supplier.....if it costs my job to adhere to proven princple.....so be it.
Dont give me that everything will come undone bull****.
When a business fails....another prospers; or....one springs up to to take advantage....capitalism. Have some faith in balance.
I guess you can't read the writing on the wall. Chrysler and GM are closing a big percentage of dealerships. Not only will the thousands of people be out of work from the closing of those dealerships but local businesses that relied on them such as Auto Suppliers will be forced to cut back.
Your job is in jeopardy.
I have no faith in balance since the balance you are talking about is controlled by Wall Street for the most part and they can sure unbalance a balance sheet.
I know very well that my job is in peril....
I work for a bearing manufactureer; and fifty percent of out business automotive.....of that.....ninety percent is domestic.
I work in the Engineering dept. of a facility that employed six hundred people in a town of about five thousand......
In less than a year I have seen my department go from thirty down to fifteen......two years ago; I was one of four Industrial Engineers.....today I am the only one.
What use to employ six hundred....now has less than three.....I began my career on the "production floor" as a "press operator"; so I have lost many friends.
I will concede that the nation needed some time to adjust....and in that regard the propping up worked.....but failures should fail (speaking of businesses).....simple.
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the "masterplan" has been to move production capacity to China.
why? there really is ONLY ONE reason. because investment capital can make 20% per year instead of 7%.
we are not "helping" an ally here folks, we are empowering the largest communist society on the planet, i don't give a chit if they are "capitalist" in the overall sense either, they are not "just socialist" they are commies.
Elections in the People's Republic of China take two forms. Direct elections occur for village councils in designated rural areas, and for the local People's Congress in all areas. All other levels of the People's Congress up to the National People's Congress, the national legislature, are indirectly elected by the People's Congress of the level immediately below. Executive positions, including the President, the State Council and provincial governors are indirectly elected by the People's Congress of the relevant level. While universal franchise is guaranteed in principle by the Constitution, in practice the Communist Party of China maintains full control of the entire electoral process. In practice, only members of the Communist Party of China, eight allied parties (the "democratic parties"), and sympathetic independent candidates are ever elected in any election beyond the local village level.
it's that simple. they are not "like US" and have no intention of being "like US"... and no amount of "freetrade" is going to make them "like US". we are assisting our competition to defeat US.
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plainly put when it comes to profit and return there is no such thing as patriotism, honor,country, or even god. the Capitalist class has turned into blood sucking leaches ready to ruin this country for a few percent of a dollar. Damn there stinking souls I hope they get whats coming to them.
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