California's government risks a financial "meltdown" within 50 days in light of its weakening May revenues unless Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and lawmakers quickly plug a $24.3 billion budget gap, the state's controller said on Wednesday.
Underscoring the severity of California's cash crisis, Controller John Chiang, who has previously warned the state's government risks running out of cash without a budget deal, said revenues in May fell by $1.14 billon, or 17.7 percent, from a year earlier.
Additionally, the revenues of the government of the most populous U.S. state fell short of estimates in Schwarzenegger's budget plan by $827 million, Chiang said.
He warned California's state government is speeding toward a financial disaster unless officials act urgently to balance its books.
"Without immediate solutions from the governor and legislature, we are less than 50 days away from a meltdown of state government," Chiang said in a statement.
California's revenues have been on a dramatic slide as a result of recession, rising unemployment and its lengthy housing downturn.
The state's revenues from personal income taxes tumbled by 39.3 percent in May from a year earlier while revenues from corporate taxes fell by 52.1 percent and revenues from sales taxes sagged by 7.6 percent, according to a report released by Chiang's office.
"A truly balanced budget is the only responsible way out of the worst cash crisis since the Great Depression," Chiang, a Democrat, said.
DUELING BUDGET CONCEPTS
Schwarzenegger, a Republican, has proposed filling the state's budget gap with deep spending cuts, borrowing from local governments and by scrapping some state programs, including its welfare program.
Democrats who control the legislature are crafting a rival budget plan that includes spending cuts and saves programs Schwarzenegger has proposed eliminating. They instead would use reserves estimated in his budget to narrow the budget gap.
State Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg said on Tuesday he wants a budget agreement by the end of this month.
California's new fiscal year begins on July 1. The sooner the state has a budget the better poised it will be to raise short-term cash to fund its operations by selling revenue anticipation notes, or RANs, on the municipal debt market.
If pressed, California could sell revenue anticipation warrants, or RAWs, an idea floated by Schwarzenegger when he unveiled his budget plan last month. But he quickly shelved it amid opposition from lawmakers.
"No one wants to issue RAWs for our cash-flow borrowing," said Tom Dresslar, a spokesman for State Treasurer Bill Lockyer. "Everyone would prefer to issue RANs for the obvious reason: It costs less."
Lockyer, a Democrat, supports a budget with the reserve Schwarzenegger has proposed. That would increase confidence among investors that California has cash to pay the $7 billion to $9 billion in short-term debt notes that Lockyer's office assumes the state will need to sell, Dresslar said.
(Editing by Carol Bishopric)
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i don't see how they can avoid cutting services.
that could get ugly, i haven't been there in few years, but their infrastructure system in the inland empire was already stretched to the breaking point when i was living there ten years ago...
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Well California is talking about cutting welfare all together. Can you imagine how the crime rate will skyrocket? Nobody wants to work so they will have to get food someway. California created their own mess they cant blame anyone else.
Giving ILLEGAL immmigrants free health care and education sure gets expensive. Welfare societies are not cheap either. Then add in the left in the state which is the majority...add in their spending sprees that go to things that dont provide income and you got problems.
Stubborn politics not allowing offshore expansion hurts that source of tax revenue. Taxes are already among the highest in the nation.
Now, I ask this board. You do see how California is over 20 BILLION in the hole and in a disaster....is California a Liberal or Conservative state?
Now look at Texas for example. Is Texas a liberal or a Conservative state? How about New York? What kind of state is that and how high are THEIR taxes?
Liberals HATE facts when it comes to taxes, abortion, and crime.
Look at the economic growth of Texas:
Economy of Texas From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The economy of Texas is one of the largest growing economies in the United States. In 2006, Texas was home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 56 overall, more than any other state. [1] Texas has an economy that was the second largest in the nation and the 15th largest in the world based on GDP (nominal) figures. As the largest exporter of goods in the United States, Texas currently grosses more than $100 billion a year in trade with other nations.
In 2008, Texas had a gross state product of $1.245 trillion,[2] the second highest in the U.S.[3] The Gross state product per capita as of 2005 was $42,975.
Texas had the second largest workforce in the United States,[4] with almost 11 million civilian workers. The lack of personal income tax as well as the largely undervalued real estate throughout Texas has led to large growth in population. Since the 2003 legislature the Governor's office has made economic development a top priority.
Much economic activity in Texas is regional. For example, the timber industry is important in East Texas's economy but a non-factor elsewhere. Houston, the state's largest urban economic enclave stands at the center of the petrochemical, biomedical research trades, shipping, and aerospace (particularly NASA). Dallas/Fort Worth houses the state's predominant defense manufacturing interests and the expansive information technology labor market. West Texas and the panhandle is dominated by ranching and the petroleum industry.
Texas's growth can be attributed to the availability of jobs, the low cost of housing, the lack of a personal state income tax, the quality of higher education, low taxation and limited regulation of business, a central geographic location, a limited government, favorable weather, and plentiful supplies of oil and natural gas. There are currently 35 billionaires residing in Texas today. Dallas has 27 billionaires, the most of any city in Texas.
Texas has the highest number of Fortune 500 company headquarters in the United States, fifty-eight.[5] This has been attributed to both the growth in population in Texas and the rise of oil prices in 2005. Houston has the second highest number of Fortune 500 companies in the US, second to New York.
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California's mess can be sumed up in one word republicans and this goose stepping moron for a governor is about the worst. He has done nothing and got nothing passed. A long time back he said he admired Hitler. Nice choice California
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The AG lobby is to big in ca to take anything away from illgals. Like free bus service back and forth to work
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I won't be surprised if the bill to legalize pot in california comes a lot quicker now!!!
The bill wasn't gonna try for approval for a nother year I think...but it might happen sooner now...and I here the majority of california is for legalizing it!!!
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Cali is in a mess of its own design.....simple.
If you wanna be a sanctuary state...you had better be able to provide the sanctuary.
As it stands....they are on the brink of folding and will soon be looking around for the rest of nation to provide a "bail out."....
Me personally;....I say; "thanks for the movies."
Grow up...get responsible...realize their is no such thing as a "free lunch." Elect people...not movie stars..and no I do not care what party's flag he/she flies.
Every state in the union has less economy than Cali...(and most nations for that matter)...and no state is as screwed up....
California should pull their collective head out of Hollywood's ass. Start using their brains instead of those bleeding hearts.
How about this for a revolutionary idea....make people pay for the **** that they use!!!!!!!
I am sorry that poor "illegal" can't pay....that is tragic.....I don't care how good they are at cleaning out swimming pools...not my problem.
Now, if they are legal....I will help them clean the damn pool.
Don' ***** until you have cleaned your room.
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LOL So California's financial troubles are due to illegal aliens, Hollywood, and Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Care to find a few facts to back up those bold statements?
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: LOL So California's financial troubles are due to illegal aliens, Hollywood, and Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Care to find a few facts to back up those bold statements?
Of course they can't. What fun would it be finding facts to back up what you post.
Have you notice that all these experts on California don't live here?
The true problem in California has been the nearsighted power hungry politicians. They would rather fight for power than to actually try and solve problems. I can't remember the last time they passed a state budget on time. Too busy trying to prove whose right and whose wrong.
During the boom years they spent the surplus and gave some back in forms of rebates. Wow, who would have thought of putting some aside for a rainy day? Since it takes a 2/3 majority to pass spending and tax proposals, it's near impossible to get it done right. It's all about both Republicans and Democrats saving face and getting reelected.
The only program I know of that helps with bus fare is a county program for individuals that are unemployed. They will provide bus tokens for verified job interviews and once you get a job for the individual to get back and forth to work until they receive their first paycheck.
The issue of illegal immigrants being the problem is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. It's put out there to placate constituents and get them to look somewhere other than the true problem, which of course is them.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: California's mess can be sumed up in one word republicans and this goose stepping moron for a governor is about the worst. He has done nothing and got nothing passed. A long time back he said he admired Hitler. Nice choice California
Haaaa! You just can't bring yourself to admit that sometimes the liberal/socialistic policies od the left don't work.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: California's mess can be sumed up in one word republicans and this goose stepping moron for a governor is about the worst. He has done nothing and got nothing passed. A long time back he said he admired Hitler. Nice choice California
Haaaa! You just can't bring yourself to admit that sometimes the liberal/socialistic policies od the left don't work.
You can't blame this on the Left nor the Right or on Arnold. Both Parties are to blame. Heck, Alaska, which is a much more Red State is closer to a Socialistic State than California, as they tax the oil and mineral extraction companies and utilize it for budgeting and redistribution to the residents of Alaska.
Ironically, over the past 25 years Republicans have held the post of Governor for all but 4 years.
"This day didn't sneak up on anyone. It's the result of too much borrowing and too little political courage over too many years — lavish spending in good times and insufficient restraint in bad. For this, Democrats, who've controlled the Legislature, and the governor share responsibility. Compounding the problem are spending initiatives that bind the Legislature's hands. Voters have themselves to blame for these.
A systemic problem years in the making can't be solved in a day. But the immediate crisis can. It comes down to cutting costs and raising taxes. No thoughtful person can seriously expect spending cuts alone to get us through this budget year without irreparable harm to our educational system and our economy.
Paralysis is destroying this state. Compromise is the only answer. It must happen now."
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You can't blame this on the Left nor the Right or on Arnold.
this is the problem with all people that put party or idealism above the cold hard facts wally.
it isn't even true that CA is the most liberal state.
people who've never lived there have this idea that San Fran is representative of the rest of the state. it's not...
CA is like five different states, it's problems are big because it's the 7 or 8th larest economy in the world...
CA is a great place to go get rich by working hard. even if it has these problems? it has the most opportunity for individuals of any state in the union....
Connecticut? gay marriage is legal is it not Lockman? wouldn't that mean CT is more liberal? or just more gay? Americas 25 Most Conservative Cities(in descending order)
Rank City State
1 Provo Utah
2 Lubbock Texas
3 Abilene Texas
4 Hialeah Florida
5 Plano Texas
6 Colorado Springs Colorado
7 Gilbert Arizona
8 Bakersfield California
9 Lafayette Louisiana
10 Orange California
11 Escondido California
i bet if we pick the five most conservative states in the union? we'll also find the five poorest states in the union.
the top three of each sure are a good start:
Maryland knocked New Jersey out of the top spot this year, while Mississippi and West Virginia were the poorest states in the Union.
Maryland is now the wealthiest state in the union, as measured by median household income, according to the latest stats from the Census Bureau.
The typical Maryland household earned $65,144 in 2006, propelling it past New Jersey, which came in second with earnings of $64,470, but had led the nation in 2005. Connecticut finished in third place both years, recording a median income of $63,422 in 2006.
Maryland's income was nearly double that of Mississippi, which, with a median of $34,473, was the nation's poorest state. West Virginia, where the median household earned $35,059, was second poorest and Arkansas, at $36,599, was third.
none of this stuff is nearly as simple as the simpletons want to make it...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: You can't blame this on the Left nor the Right or on Arnold.
this is the problem with all people that put party or idealism above the cold hard facts wally.
it isn't even true that CA is the most liberal state.
people who've never lived there have this idea that San Fran is representative of the rest of the state. it's not...
CA is like five different states, it's problems are big because it's the 7 or 8th larest economy in the world...
CA is a great place to go get rich by working hard. even if it has these problems? it has the most opportunity for individuals of any state in the union....
Connecticut? gay marriage is legal is it not Lockman? wouldn't that mean CT is more liberal? or just more gay? Americas 25 Most Conservative Cities(in descending order)
Rank City State
1 Provo Utah
2 Lubbock Texas
3 Abilene Texas
4 Hialeah Florida
5 Plano Texas
6 Colorado Springs Colorado
7 Gilbert Arizona
8 Bakersfield California
9 Lafayette Louisiana
10 Orange California
11 Escondido California
i bet if we pick the five most conservative states in the union? we'll also find the five poorest states in the union.
the top three of each sure are a good start:
Maryland knocked New Jersey out of the top spot this year, while Mississippi and West Virginia were the poorest states in the Union.
Maryland is now the wealthiest state in the union, as measured by median household income, according to the latest stats from the Census Bureau.
The typical Maryland household earned $65,144 in 2006, propelling it past New Jersey, which came in second with earnings of $64,470, but had led the nation in 2005. Connecticut finished in third place both years, recording a median income of $63,422 in 2006.
Maryland's income was nearly double that of Mississippi, which, with a median of $34,473, was the nation's poorest state. West Virginia, where the median household earned $35,059, was second poorest and Arkansas, at $36,599, was third.
none of this stuff is nearly as simple as the simpletons want to make it...
If you look at the post I was responding to you'll see I was responding to Raybonds usual rant about everything bad being the result of Republican actions. I understand California's and our nations problems are not just Democrat or Republican, he on the other hand does not.
As far as Connecticut being a liberal state, there's no doubt about that. The gay marriage issue wasn't really one. I don't know why, just no one cared.
Connecticut is now in the process of taxing businesses out of the state. Jobs are leaving and the state government is so busy trying to give everyone a free ride and it's crippling the state.
We've been down this road before and sooner or later they figure out that giving tax breaks to companies creates jobs.
A tax on companies is simply passed along in the goods and services offered, but because it's sold as we'll tax those evil corporations and return it to the citizens they get away with it, that is until corporations find another state or country that's more business friendly and they move usually with their jobs.
Then the finger pointing starts and the state is strangled by all the give away projects they've started to get elected.
Then the personal taxes start which of course causes an uproar. They are now starting the tax the rich b/s, but eventually it gets to the middle class thru personal and property taxes.
Problem this time is it's going to be a real problem trying to get businesses to come back because the qualified work force has left.
And the sorry truth is those who have been recieving a free ride want nothing to do with becoming qualified.
Try and get the qualified workers to come back and they don't want to because it's to expensive to live here.
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quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: LOL So California's financial troubles are due to illegal aliens, Hollywood, and Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Care to find a few facts to back up those bold statements?
I did not say that Hollywood was the cause...nor the Terminator.....and I do not think that illegals are exclusively the cause.
Sometimes I take for granted what I think is apparent between the lines......"Thanks for the movies" was intended to be a flip comment....not a declaration of blame......"stop electing movie stars" was not intended to be a determination of Arnolds qualifications; but, does anyone seriously believe he is the best Cali can put forth (obviously at least a majority)....but come on watch the documentary "Pumping Iron." The guy was (maybe is) a lunatic. With Arnold it was popularity and name recognition that got him elected.....could be wrong but I doubt it (by the way...he is on the side I usually support).
My comments concerning illegals....are not limited to only Cali.....it is rampant in my state (Georgia) as well and tolerating it is the stupidest thing that I think any citizen could possibly do.....they may be the finest people but they are immuned to the duties associated with citizenship....and therefor...perhaps through no fault of their own; are a drain on the system.....Please forgive the parrallel; but it is like ticks on a dog.....they will run him down and give nothing back....excepy a very small area that fleas will not bite.
I know they perform tasks that "Americans won't do".....anybody polled Americans lately....bet they are willing to do more these days.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: California's mess can be sumed up in one word republicans and this goose stepping moron for a governor is about the worst. He has done nothing and got nothing passed. A long time back he said he admired Hitler. Nice choice California
Republicans? Please tell me how one of if not THE most liberal of states has a major mess because of Republicans. Oh, Arnold? I have no idea why he claims Republican.
Try to respond with something that has some truth.
And yes California is liberal politically. I agree it is broken up basically with different lifestyles in different areas, but look at its political make up and districts. The highest population centers are the most liberal.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: http://www.votingresearch.org. Americas 25 Most Liberal Cities (in descending order)
Rank City State
1 Detroit Michigan
2 Gary Indiana
3 Berkeley California
4 Washington, D.C. Dist. of Columbia
5 Oakland California
6 Inglewood California
7 Newark New Jersey
8 Cambridge Massachusetts
9 San Francisco California
10 Flint Michigan
Two things stood out to me about this post: 1.) you did not add anything 2.) After reading it I realized that you did not need to.
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California's mess can be sumed up in one word republicans and this goose stepping moron for a governor is about the worst. He has done nothing and got nothing passed. A long time back he said he admired Hitler. Nice choice Californi
Yeah the republicans did it. It had nothing to do with the fact that Jerry Brown sr chased all big business out of Cal and that business climate is so bad tax wise that they are moving out in record numbers. And before anyone jumps on me I own a small Auto Repair business in Sacramento so I know of what I speak
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If you look at the post I was responding to you'll see I was responding to Raybonds usual rant about everything bad being the result of Republican actions. I understand California's and our nations problems are not just Democrat or Republican, he on the other hand does not.
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I hope Jerry Brown gets in again at least he can manage financial affairs. Better than goose stepping moron. Thumb in his can and a big stupid grin on his face to pass the time of day with and thats all
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I think they need to allow Cali to just get OWNED by Mother Nature. They spend billions fighting Mother Nature every year. Earthquakes, Erosion, Fires, Etc. They are full of problems and just think....if it wasn't for the Mexicans doing all that cheap labor....just imagine what the budget would be like and how broke down looking it would be. Come on now...the rich didn't get rich from hard labor....they got rich by using the poor and illegals. Anyways, California is scheduled to fall into the ocean anyways just like Florida. The 2 whinniest states with housing values inflated hugely!!
Ohhh yeah....speaking of Florida, my uncle passed away and the new buyers bought his house for $780,000 in Ft. Lauderdale. They told me including the realtor that Florida has a law stating that for tax purposes, if you remodel a house....it stays on the previous tax rates as long as you allow 1 wall to be pre-existing. So basically the Florida people were buying smaller homes...tear them 99% down minus that 1 wall and rebuild with a HUGE super expensive house and they maintain the old tax rate. So maybe California has some retarded rule like Florida....so the rich can stay rich.....?????
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This elitist California senator along with the rest from both parties could do their part and cut their massive staff in half. Government is one big meat grinder to tax dollars...just look at this link and see how big senator Boxer's staff is in Washington, and how many offices she has. This is not party blind either.
How much does THAT cost per senator of tax money to just employ so many offices and sooo many employees.
Senator Boxer, liberal Democrat from California (surprise). A feminist with a Napoleonic complex.
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Republicans get them out of office not one of them has California or the rest of the nation any good starting with regan and ending up with goose stepping moron.
Everytime a republican runs on the paltform of how bad government is and evrybody spends to much.
Then they get elected and prove it.
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quote:Originally posted by raybond: I hope Jerry Brown gets in again at least he can manage financial affairs. Better than goose stepping moron. Thumb in his can and a big stupid grin on his face to pass the time of day with and thats all
Ya Jerry did a fine job! haaaaaaaaaaaa your quite a comidian.
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: and I do not think that illegals are exclusively the cause.
Yah you could of fooled me (read your comments below)
quote:My comments concerning illegals....are not limited to only Cali.....it is rampant in my state (Georgia) as well and tolerating it is the stupidest thing that I think any citizen could possibly do.....they may be the finest people but they are immuned to the duties associated with citizenship....and therefor...perhaps through no fault of their own; are a drain on the system.....Please forgive the parrallel; but it is like ticks on a dog.....they will run him down and give nothing back....excepy a very small area that fleas will not bite.
I know they perform tasks that "Americans won't do".....anybody polled Americans lately....bet they are willing to do more these days.
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: I know they perform tasks that "Americans won't do".....anybody polled Americans lately....bet they are willing to do more these days.
Yah that could be true about polling Americans but when things turn around and the economy is strong again then what?. Do you think they will stay at those jobs? lol
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: I know they perform tasks that "Americans won't do".....anybody polled Americans lately....bet they are willing to do more these days.
Yah that could be true about polling Americans but when things turn around and the economy is strong again then what?. Do you think they will stay at those jobs? lol
If the system was not broken then the answer to your question would be "yes.".....here is what happens.....
If you take illegals out of the equatiton.....
You are left with jobs that people need and want done......there is no poor illegal offering cheap labor(and thereby suppressing the wage).....so the offered wage for said job will rise until it reaches a point that a "citizen" deems the tradeoff worthy......at that point they accept the conditions of employment and the job gets done.
Illegals are an "un-natural and un-aticipated vairabe within the economic system"....There influence is growing as is the effect of tolerating it......you can't operate a system successfully when a large part of the labor is of a type that was not intended.
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quote:Originally posted by rounder1: If the system was not broken then the answer to your question would be "yes.".....here is what happens.....
If you take illegals out of the equatiton.....
You are left with jobs that people need and want done......there is no poor illegal offering cheap labor(and thereby suppressing the wage).....so the offered wage for said job will rise until it reaches a point that a "citizen" deems the tradeoff worthy......at that point they accept the conditions of employment and the job gets done.
Illegals are an "un-natural and un-aticipated vairabe within the economic system"....There influence is growing as is the effect of tolerating it......you can't operate a system successfully when a large part of the labor is of a type that was not intended.
Your problem with your theory is that Americans would only take those jobs temporarily while the economy is in disarray and once the economy picks up they will seek better employment and leave those undesirable jobs without replacements therefor it goes back to full circle of illegals taking sh*tty paying jobs no one wants except in bad times to keep afloat with living expenses.
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I am not sure that is the case. I think, in the long, the need for persons to perform the types of tasks that we are discussing will remain. If cheap labor is not available.....the value (wage) for performing the "job" will continue to rise. At some point, the wage will get high enough to attact citizen workers.....perhaps the wages for certain types of jobs would even rise to the point.....that a person being paid for working in that field could have a "middle class" lifestyle...
I guess what I am saying is that I don't really think that the issue is the job....I think the issue is the pay.....
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I guess what I am saying is that I don't really think that the issue is the job....I think the issue is the pay.....
that is dead on IMO too.
take garbage collectors. somebody always has to take out the trash, and nobody wants to do it, or be seen doing it.
it's not a particularly difficult job, it smells bad is the worst part.
if everybody just stops doing it? we all get sick. not a minor cold/sneeze/sniffle sick either, a whole group of ugly lingering illnesses grip all of us, even if you take out your trash? you are going to be meeting people who don't.
taken as a whole? garbage/waste management is just as important as the doctors. yet noone considers them in the same thought.
prior to the first world war? a military doctors most important job was camp hygeine. making sure the latrine was far enough away from the mess tent and the bivouacs, and that the troops actually used the latrines. More armies fell apart from dysentary than anything else.
seriously. the garbage collector is considered a low-life and payed as such, but they are just as if not more important than your doctor to your health and quality of life.
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