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not so sureStrip searching students illegal? Supreme Court
Justices appear unconvinced that the searches should be declared out of bounds. A 13-year-old honors student in Arizona was strip searched in a hunt for drugs.
By David G. Savage
11:06 AM PDT, April 21, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- The Supreme Court gave a skeptical hearing today to lawyers who were urging a rule against strip searching students at school.

Instead, most of the justices voiced concern that students could hide dangerous drugs such as crack cocaine or heroin in their clothes.


The case before the court concerns a 13-year-old Arizona girl who was strip searched in a nurse's office after a school friend said the girl, Savana Redding, had brought white pills to school. The pills were extra-strength ibuprofen, which is commonly taken for headaches and cramps.

Last year, a U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the strip search of Savana Redding was unreasonable and unconstitutional since the pills were ibuprofen. And the court held that the school officials who ordered the search were liable for damages.

But in their comments and questions, most of the justices signaled they are inclined to overturn that decision.


Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. said the school officials should be shielded from being sued since the law governing school searches had not been clear. In the past, the court has said public officials cannot be held liable for damages unless they violate a "clearly established" right.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, though a swing vote on many issues, has voted regularly to give police and school officials greater leeway to search for drugs.

He objected when Adam Wolf, an American Civil Liberties Union lawyer for Redding, argued that the strip search was unreasonable because there was no evidence she was hiding anything in her underwear.

"Is the nature of drug irrelevant?" he asked. "What if it was meth to be consumed at noon?"

Wolf insisted that, even in this instance, school officials would not have reasonable grounds for strip searching a 13-year-old honors student. There was no reason to think she had pills in her underwear, he said.

That reply did not appear to persuade Justice Stephen G. Breyer. It is "a logical thing" for adolescents to hide things, he said. A student might stick something "in their underwear," he added, provoking laughter when he said that this had happened to him at school. "It's not beyond human experience."

For a moment, Justice David H. Souter tried to put himself in the mind of the vice principal who ordered the strip search of Savana Redding. The year before, a middle-school student had become violently ill after taking mysterious pills at school. The official may have feared a repeat.

"Better embarrassment [of one student] than the risk of violent sickness and death," Souter said.

A lawyer for the Safford Unified School District urged the justices to rule that school officials have broad authority to search students. The vice principal in this case had been told some students had pills, and they were to be passed around at lunchtime. Based on that report, "he was entitled to search any place where contraband might reasonably be found," said Matthew Wright, district's lawyer.

What about a "body cavity search?" asked Justice Antonin Scalia.

Wright replied that no school official would undertake such a search, but he insisted it would be legal.

Wolf, the ACLU lawyer, said it would "send shudders down the spine" of children across the nation if the high court approves strip searches at school.

A Justice Department lawyer urged the justices to say that strip searches are out of bounds unless officials have strong, clear evidence that a student is hiding something dangerous in his or her underwear.

The tone of the argument gave little hint the justices will set such a limit, however.

A ruling in the case of Safford School District vs. Redding will be issued by late June.

david.savage*latimes.com

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I post this because I really know what a strip search is and I don't care what a kid may have on them It don't get done on them. This is for an adult felon and such that have lost there rights and have been deemed in a court of law that they should not be in society. This type of person has lost there rights. Thirteen year olds have protection under the law.Think back when your were thirteen how humiliated you would have been and if you were this childs parent how powerless you would have felt.

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yeah it's pretty screwed up.

they seem to be saying kids have no rights.

however, the real issue is that parents and families do have rights and without the parent present and giving consent? this should not be acceptable.

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From reading the article it seems that the Vice Principle was acting on the word of other students. This makes me envision how this could be abused. We all know that some students are less liked than others and that youngsters do like to pull pranks without ever thinking of the potential outcome. So a student, as in this case that has done nothing wrong is subjected to a strip search at a very awkward age. Who knows what lasting effect this will have on her.

We also know that in the past some teachers have molested children or carried on affairs with students.

In My Opinion this is too much latitude to be given to teachers and administrators. In this case, I think it would have been more prudent to contact the child's parents and hold her out of school activities until they arrived to deal with the situation. Undressing before her mother is much different than being forced to undress in front of a school official, be it a nurse or not.

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i don't think they should be able to force anyone without explicit consent from the parent or guardian.

i don't care if there are "bad" parents. anything short of that is IMO a basic violation of rights.

it's odd, in criminal prosecutions and punishment children are given much MORE protection under the law than adults.

and yeah the "other kids" thing? that's lawsuit time if it's a prank... major league lawsuit time... don't find any drugs? pay! any school administrator that acted on tips like that is just dumb. so if they don't find drugs? then they'll have to come up with some to plant on 'em ... it's lose lose.

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very strange...

school can tell her to stay put while police are called, but if she takes off, they shouldn't even be allowed to restrain her. It's a police problem.

Of course, they can expel for not following rules (ie, blowing da coop), but schoolfolk aren't cops anymore than a civilian radar goof...

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