quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: **** they make millions marketing us videos of our own capture.... C.O.P.S.... what wonderful propaganda... what wonderful brainwashing...
yeah, that show makes me sick.
all of the CSI shows promote people giving away their rights too...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: [QUOTE] of course we could close all the schools, fire the cops, stop repairing the raods, don't pay the light bills for street lights or stop lights etc...
i don't think that would stimulate the economy tho...
Since when was it the federal blubberment's job to repair roads, pay for cops, pay traffic light bills? The federal government is supposed to protect us from foriegn invaders and governance of the states... THAT'S IT... all the rest is the emergence of a tyrannical empire different from any of the one's from the past. This time there is no face to place on the tyrant... That bit is quite clever... As long as the effin idiots who rush to the voting booths every four years "feel" like they have a shot.. then they are quite happy to live in the cage they refuse to see. But just because they are too friggen stupid to see doesn't mean I am... and frankly I expect better out of you too.
Exactly the reason I quit voting presidential elections...It's a lose...lose situation
What irritates me is NOT the sleazy, lowlife politicians...it's the IGNORANT masses that don't have a clue that they are being effed over by the sleazy, lowlife politicians...FROM BOTH SIDES
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"Since when was it the federal blubberment's job to repair roads, pay for cops, pay traffic light bills? The federal government is supposed to protect us from foriegn invaders and governance of the states... THAT'S IT..."
That's a huge falsehood. All you need to do is read the preamble to the Constitution to see that it is.
Note that there is nothing at all in the reasons given by the founders for putting forth the Constitution that even hints that the it is a function of the Government to "protect us from foreign envaders", while most other functions of any government are therein specified.
"in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America".
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Promote does not mean mandate then legislate then enforce... The best and IN FACT only way for government to "Promote" general welfare, posterity or anything good is to get the **** out of the way.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Promote does not mean mandate then legislate then enforce... The best and IN FACT only way for government to "Promote" general welfare, posterity or anything good is to get the **** out of the way.
Promote certainly does include that responsibility and it is so worded that it is a responsibility. A responsibility is a mandate, plain and simple.
Moreover, there is nothing in the constitution even hinting that its purpose is to restrict activities of the Government to nothing more than protecting from outside invaders.
The best and IN FACT only way to allow for government to "Promote" general welfare, posterity or anything good is for those who choose to misrepresent the Constitution to get the **** out of the way.
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You are right Bdgee... How could I be so wrong as to not see that every time government has been tried it worked absolutely... Look at the peace and prosperity spread throughout history by noble and glorious governments... Had not a damned thing to do with us, the common folk... It was all government..
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In his country, the people formed the government and the people keep it that way. Bitterness because the government does not restrict itself exactly to the way you personally want it to be doesn't make it work at all.
If you had the power to make it be exactly what you want, it would cease to be OUR government and would be a dictatorship, not a republic and certainly not a democracy.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: Dont vote anyone back in...always vote for someone new.
that's my attitude....
but you have to make them think they have chance of getting re-elected or they'll start screwing us in their first term ;)
Don't vote for anyone that is in office and don't vote for anyone new over someone already there are both rather simple minded. There are much better ways to evaluate which candidate to choose, but it needs a far deeper investigation that just which is and which is not already there. Perhaps a willingness to select on the basis of such simple reasons for voting as who is and who isn't in office already says something about our laziness or the seriousness of our concern.....or both. In truth, most often, it is almost always those that maintain near religion like adherence to one particular party, which is at the time out of influence, who chant "throw the bums out" and that clearly isn't a call to responsibility, but a call for Party loyalty over patriotic responsibility.
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Cut the deficit in half....Raise taxes and increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: who chant "throw the bums out" and that clearly isn't a call to responsibility, but a call for Party loyalty over patriotic responsibility.
If you look real close at the top beak on that goose, it looks like it has teeth! Is that a special breed raised in Mississippi? A carnivorous goose?
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Cut the deficit in half....Raise taxes and increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account.
"Cut the deficit in half"
Fine,now offer a reealistic method of doing that, instead of just shouting in anger.
"Raise taxes"
That's a good idea too. provided they go up on the right people and businesses. But every republican suggestion has been to raise taxes on those already supplying the mass of U.S. income and lowering taxes on exactly the same privileged and hugely rich people that now provide almost no part of the U.S. income. We are now already living in the aftermath of doing exactly that (that's the problem, after all).
"increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account."
Uh huh, and with that increase in age for Social Security, with Medicare restricted to those getting social security, you then strip health coverage to those that have both reached an age when it has become most essential and who no longer have any other means of obtaining the preventative health care that, in turn, saves our Nation billions in extreme health care measures that were not avoided.
There is no black hole in either Social Security or Medicare if the placing of the funds collected for Social Security had not been placed already into "general budget account", where it is no longer available for the aged but is used for political influence on things not even hinting at the financial and health benefits of the elderly.
You are doing nothing but "cut and paste" like regurgitation of the false propaganda from Fat Rush,the Doper, The Leader of Republican Party, and Purveyor of Political Dishonor and Obfuscation.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: who chant "throw the bums out" and that clearly isn't a call to responsibility, but a call for Party loyalty over patriotic responsibility.
If you look real close at the top beak on that goose, it looks like it has teeth! Is that a special breed raised in Mississippi? A carnivorous goose?
Nope, those are a tooth like apparatus that all geese have, be they Mississippian or Alaskan or European or domestic. It's completely natural.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: who chant "throw the bums out" and that clearly isn't a call to responsibility, but a call for Party loyalty over patriotic responsibility.
If you look real close at the top beak on that goose, it looks like it has teeth! Is that a special breed raised in Mississippi? A carnivorous goose?
Nope, those are a tooth like apparatus that all geese have, be they Mississippian or Alaskan or European or domestic. It's completely natural.
Interesting....I had never noticed that before. Thanks for the info.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Cut the deficit in half....Raise taxes and increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account.
"Cut the deficit in half"
Fine,now offer a reealistic method of doing that, instead of just shouting in anger.
"Raise taxes"
That's a good idea too. provided they go up on the right people and businesses. But every republican suggestion has been to raise taxes on those already supplying the mass of U.S. income and lowering taxes on exactly the same privileged and hugely rich people that now provide almost no part of the U.S. income. We are now already living in the aftermath of doing exactly that (that's the problem, after all).
"increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account."
Uh huh, and with that increase in age for Social Security, with Medicare restricted to those getting social security, you then strip health coverage to those that have both reached an age when it has become most essential and who no longer have any other means of obtaining the preventative health care that, in turn, saves our Nation billions in extreme health care measures that were not avoided.
There is no black hole in either Social Security or Medicare if the placing of the funds collected for Social Security had not been placed already into "general budget account", where it is no longer available for the aged but is used for political influence on things not even hinting at the financial and health benefits of the elderly.
You are doing nothing but "cut and paste" like regurgitation of the false propaganda from Fat Rush,the Doper, The Leader of Republican Party, and Purveyor of Political Dishonor and Obfuscation.
I thought you would like the raise taxes and gut social security plan. Come on you know this is the next congressional plan to come.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Cut the deficit in half....Raise taxes and increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account.
"Cut the deficit in half"
Fine,now offer a reealistic method of doing that, instead of just shouting in anger.
"Raise taxes"
That's a good idea too. provided they go up on the right people and businesses. But every republican suggestion has been to raise taxes on those already supplying the mass of U.S. income and lowering taxes on exactly the same privileged and hugely rich people that now provide almost no part of the U.S. income. We are now already living in the aftermath of doing exactly that (that's the problem, after all).
"increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account."
Uh huh, and with that increase in age for Social Security, with Medicare restricted to those getting social security, you then strip health coverage to those that have both reached an age when it has become most essential and who no longer have any other means of obtaining the preventative health care that, in turn, saves our Nation billions in extreme health care measures that were not avoided.
There is no black hole in either Social Security or Medicare if the placing of the funds collected for Social Security had not been placed already into "general budget account", where it is no longer available for the aged but is used for political influence on things not even hinting at the financial and health benefits of the elderly.
You are doing nothing but "cut and paste" like regurgitation of the false propaganda from Fat Rush,the Doper, The Leader of Republican Party, and Purveyor of Political Dishonor and Obfuscation.
I thought you would like the raise taxes and gut social security plan. Come on you know this is the next congressional plan to come.
GWB was the one who was pushing for people to be able to invest part of they're social security into the markets. Can you imagine the impact that would have had if he had managed to get that passed with the current market situation? Social security would be up in smoke. But I do think something needs to be done to keep SS solvent for the future generations.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Cut the deficit in half....Raise taxes and increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account.
"Cut the deficit in half"
Fine,now offer a reealistic method of doing that, instead of just shouting in anger.
"Raise taxes"
That's a good idea too. provided they go up on the right people and businesses. But every republican suggestion has been to raise taxes on those already supplying the mass of U.S. income and lowering taxes on exactly the same privileged and hugely rich people that now provide almost no part of the U.S. income. We are now already living in the aftermath of doing exactly that (that's the problem, after all).
"increase the age to collect social security and use the surplus for the black hole we call the general budget account."
Uh huh, and with that increase in age for Social Security, with Medicare restricted to those getting social security, you then strip health coverage to those that have both reached an age when it has become most essential and who no longer have any other means of obtaining the preventative health care that, in turn, saves our Nation billions in extreme health care measures that were not avoided.
There is no black hole in either Social Security or Medicare if the placing of the funds collected for Social Security had not been placed already into "general budget account", where it is no longer available for the aged but is used for political influence on things not even hinting at the financial and health benefits of the elderly.
You are doing nothing but "cut and paste" like regurgitation of the false propaganda from Fat Rush,the Doper, The Leader of Republican Party, and Purveyor of Political Dishonor and Obfuscation.
I thought you would like the raise taxes and gut social security plan. Come on you know this is the next congressional plan to come.
"Come on you know this is the next congressional plan to come."
What I know is that you had no responsible suggestion in mind, at all, and you know damned well I don't think that is some plan for things to come. You are a so full of it you smell like it, along with everything you say.
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My cousins? No, man, I think those are Mississippi birds, by way of DC. They gotta high pitched honk like Trent. Some of your own, I thought.
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In his country, the people formed the government and the people keep it that way. Bitterness because the government does not restrict itself exactly to the way you personally want it to be doesn't make it work at all.
If you had the power to make it be exactly what you want, it would cease to be OUR government and would be a dictatorship, not a republic and certainly not a democracy.
The government has not been headed by any of "us" in a very long time and you know it. I am far from bitter... I am irritated that our government is nothing like what the founders wanted and everything like what they fled and feared. I have no desire to be given the power to make government what I want it to be. This country has never been a democracy and it ceased to be a republic long ago...
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"The government has not been headed by any of "us" in a very long time and you know it.:
Well, I'll give you the 8 years with dubya he is definitely not "one of us". (That's true for his whole fascist sympathizing family.) but I won't buy into the rest of you stuff. I definitely insist that what you claim to be what the Founders wanted is fundamentally incorrect and quite opposed to what they said in the Constitution.
Just look at your assertion that they set up our government so that government has no function other than protecting us from foreign invasion. The first thing they did in setting up our Government was to specify, first, that all the things listed the Preamble to the Constitution are specific and intended to be things the Government is to do, by order of the Cinstitution.
The founders had better sense than to set this Government up as a democracy. had they done so, it would never have reached the year 1800. They did set it up as a republic and it remains so, here and there altered by Constitutional amendment, with specific details to be specified by act of Congress, as they again directed, i.e,, as the founders intended.
Yes, you are bitter.....and wrong.....
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Oh Budge you're just pissed because I didn't start off my post with "May the blessings of Clinton be upon you". Remember to kneel towards Little Rock when you pray ten times a day. May you have a Clintonian day.... Clintons be upon you.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless.: Oh Budge you're just pissed because I didn't start off my post with "May the blessings of Clinton be upon you". Remember to kneel towards Little Rock when you pray ten times a day. May you have a Clintonian day.... Clintons be upon you.
No, I'm not pissed off. I am amazed and amused that you can imagine that feigning that absurd holier than thou facade of bitterness does anyone, you included, any good.
It's terribly childish and even more boring.
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Speaking of reducing the deficit.... The government now wants to spend ANOTHER $410 billion.... Plus interest.... How the hell can anyone be dense enough or corrupt enough to defend this as moral?
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This is an emergency, not something for which is is feasible to do the republican thing and stay the course.
One doesn't refuse to allow the fire department to put out fires because the price of diesel to get the trucks to the site is over $4 a gallon.
That just gets a lot of burned out houses without tenants from which the city looses the income from property taxes.
Think of it as an absolutely necessary investment, not an optional expense. If that doesn't work for you, then you are going to remain a pissed off bitter person.
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Oh I'm trying to see it as an emergency.... A potential catastrophe... Sadly:( I just have too many fully functional brain cells... I'm ok with being pissed.... Ignorance is bliss... As they say.
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