By CHARLES HURT Last updated: 2:34 am January 31, 2009 Posted: 2:32 am January 31, 2009
WASHINGTON - Add John McCain to the legion of "dittoheads" sticking up for conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh in the wake of President Obama's lecturing Republicans to quit listening to his top-rated radio program.
Asked yesterday why Obama would make such a warning, McCain replied: "I don't know why he would do that."
"Mr. Limbaugh is a voice of a significant portion of our conservative movement in America," the Arizona senator, last year's Republican presidential nominee, told Fox News yesterday.
"He has a very wide viewing audience, he is entitled to his views, and he has a lot of people who listen very carefully to him," McCain said.
"I don't know why the president would take him on. He's part of the political landscape, and he plays a role."
Last week, The Post first reported that Obama had advised Republicans in Congress to quit listening to Limbaugh if they want to get along with Democrats.
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That's hilarious that McCain would say that "Mr. Limbaugh is a voice of a significant portion of OUR conservative movement". McCain is certainly no conservative - he's a liberal, aka a RINO!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's hilarious that McCain would say that "Mr. Limbaugh is a voice of a significant portion of OUR conservative movement". McCain is certainly no conservative - he's a liberal, aka a RINO!
Spoken as a true far right-wing republican, PM.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: That's hilarious that McCain would say that "Mr. Limbaugh is a voice of a significant portion of OUR conservative movement". McCain is certainly no conservative - he's a liberal, aka a RINO!
how many "conservatives" are there PM?
Since 1991, Limbaugh has had the most-listened-to radio show in the United States, with over 14 million listeners a week as of December 2008.[131] In 2003, he peaked with an audience of nearly 20 million a week.[132]. However, public polls have shown that a majority of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of Limbaugh. For example, in a March 2007 Rasmussen Reports poll 62% of those surveyed had an unfavorable while only 33% had a favorable opinion of Limbaugh, a nearly 2 to 1 ratio that was by far the worst among the 18 journalists included in the poll.
seems his "ratings" are only slightly higher than Dubya's...
and prolly all the same people..
Limabugh sits in his private booth and spouts alot of lies without ever being direclty confronted by anybody who can uncover them for what they are.
he makes statements like "Bush created 4 million jobs" ( a lie) and then it suddenly becomes part of a small group of peoples "ultimate truth".
the screwed up part is that he "dabbles" in politics but cannot possibly take part in them because politics requires face to face confrontations and reconciliations.. limbugger can't deal with that- all he can do is tell everybody "i told you so" even tho it ain't so...
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notice he uses the words MY and I in the title... dead giveaway that he is only thinking of one single person, and it ain't me or you
of course he wants taxes cut, they take a couple million out of his every quarter... he is looking out for himself..
he states things like
We know that when tax rates are cut in a recession, it brings an economy back
well guess what? we do not know that.
as a matter of fact? Dubya cut rates and the economy crashed and burned..
fact is? most recessions fix themselves. cuz people get over it...
it's sort of like going to teh doctor... MOST of the time? your body will fix it without the doctor...
I say, cut the U.S. corporate tax rate -- at 35%, among the highest of all industrialized nations -- in half.
that's another lie...
our STATUTORY corporate tax rate STARTS at 35% but the fact is? the real taxes collected from US corps is 17% or less....which is one of the lowest in the world...
many of the fortune 500 pay NO taxes at all even in good years (this year they won't pay either)
Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:54pm E
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
The study showed about 28 percent of large foreign corporations, those with more than $250 million in assets, doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $372 billion in gross receipts, the senators said. About 25 percent of the largest U.S. companies paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $1.1 trillion in gross sales that year, they said.
quote:Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.
Taxes are paid on profits, not sales!
quote:The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005
Well, isn't that contradictory? In the first quote above, we're told that most US and Foreign Corporations avoid paying ANY federal income taxes and in this quote, we're told that they paid no federal income taxes for at least ONE YEAR in an 8 year period.
quote:The study showed about 28 percent of large foreign corporations, those with more than $250 million in assets, doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $372 billion in gross receipts, the senators said. About 25 percent of the largest U.S. companies paid no federal income taxes in 2005 despite $1.1 trillion in gross sales that year, they said
Then we find out that about 72% of the large foreign corporations did pay federal income taxes in 2005.
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If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Ain't it interesting that only those with fabulous sums of money can manage to get tax deductions for playtoys like 50 million dollar jets and seaside mansions on three U.S. Coast plus several in tropical paradices across the world, where they can send their "executives" to entertain Congressmen on golf excursions, waited on hand and foot by delectable and willing young ladies that are overpaid to "serve" and see that "nothing" is denied to the "guest", then count all the cost as tax deductible business expenses?
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quote:If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Of course, transportation (business jets); meeting places (estates used for business); business conferences (education and sales meetings); and lobbying (I'm not sure what expense category that belongs in) are legitimate business expenses, as acknowledged by the government who has allowed their deduction in the tax code.
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quote:If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Of course, transportation (business jets); meeting places (estates used for business); business conferences (education and sales meetings); and lobbying (I'm not sure what expense category that belongs in) are legitimate business expenses, as acknowledged by the government who has allowed their deduction in the tax code.
Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: PM, you aren't facing the issue directly.
be a Proud Conservative and face the issues head on.
the FACT is that our tax rates are actually some of the most generous in the world..
look how we actually stack up:
The quote from which he gets his figures to justify saying the U.S. has the highest business taxes in the world comes from Fat Rush, the Doper, who pulled it straight out of his azz and fed it to his ditto-heads in th4e republican party, unaltered, so that they can believe in that Limbaugh ****. (Republicans don't care if it is a fabrication, so long as Fat Rush, the Doper said it.)
He needs to explain how it can be true that, on the one hand, he insist that U.S. tax rates are the highest in the world, and on the other, has insisted that through Europe, where socialized medicine is universal, that results in Europeans paying the world's highest taxes. (Of course, we actually know how he can believe both those two contradictory claims.......Fat Rush said them both on his radio show!)
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When I saw Rush on CNN my first thought was "do people still listen to this guy?" Rush is a fat drug addict that no conservative should even listen to. Now, he is the "most powerful voice for conservatives?" The pub party is doomed. They know it.
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If my information is correct, not a drop out, but a FLUNK out......twice.
I say "if my information is correct" because back when I lived in Nashville and his radio show was on the car's radio as I drove to an afternoon class from my home, it was Fat Rush that related that bit. But how can you ever be certain anything he says is honest or true? So very very much he claims comes directly from out of his huge butt!
Until he managed to hook up with the far right-wing, telling them BS they wanted to hear, he was fired from every job he ever had because of his oppressive attacks on coworkers that did not accept his brand of politics.
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Limbaugh graduated from Cape Central High School, in 1969. His father and mother wanted him to attend college, so he enrolled at Southeast Missouri State University. He dropped out after two semesters and one summer; according to his mother, "he flunked everything", even a modern ballroom dancing class.[4] As she told a reporter in 1992, "He just didn't seem interested in anything except radio."[7]From Wikipedia
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There's a way to manipulate data to make it show just about anything. However, comparing taxes to GDP is ridiculous and shows nothing. That says nothing about the personal or corporate tax rates or what people that pay taxes actually pay.
We have over 40% of the population that pays no income taxes. Under Obama and his proposed "change", that will likely rise to 50%! The highest earners pay a huge percentage of the total tax burden. The United States has the second highest corporate tax among OECD members. Other countries are lowering their corporate and personal taxes, which is giving them a competitive advantage over our companies and is causing jobs to move overseas.
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However, comparing taxes to GDP is ridiculous and shows nothing. That says nothing about the personal or corporate tax rates or what people that pay taxes actually pay.
PM, that's the ONLY decent comparison.
We have over 40% of the population that pays no income taxes
income taxes are only a portion of overall taxes collected.
The United States has the second highest corporate tax among OECD members
not true. that figure is the statutory rate, after the tax code is sorted by experts? we drop to one of the lowest ACTUAL rates.
for starters? i don't pay coroporate tax, but i can tell you that i would save 40 to 80 hrs per year on my tax work if they would lower the statutory rate and get rid of all the deductions we have to calculate.
the "thing" is? all those deductions were intentioanlly designeed to be "stimulative" to business and economic growth..
remember the fertiliser rule, too much is no better than not enough.
i am not for 50% tax rates, but 15% tax rates is not going to fix anything...
ever watch drag racing? those top fuel nitro-methane motors are made to last 5 seconds.. they run like a bat out of hell, then they blow up.
Nacar? they build those motors to last 600 miles...
500 miles plus practice. the Pepsi 600 traditionally has several top teams with motor issues at mile 550 cuz they went the 500 plus practice miles...
there is absolutley no need to run a countries economy so hot that is collapses every few years, and steady growth is not a form of socialism.
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I don't believe "steady growth" is a logical inference of the definition of either socialism or capitalism. It's like "formal dress" or "blue-green" with respect to any political system, meaningless, with neither necessity nor sufficiency.....unrelated. It's like talking about whether or not 5 is a big or little number.
I shouldn't have said "I don't believe" because I can more than believe, I can prove.
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quote:If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Of course, transportation (business jets); meeting places (estates used for business); business conferences (education and sales meetings); and lobbying (I'm not sure what expense category that belongs in) are legitimate business expenses, as acknowledged by the government who has allowed their deduction in the tax code.
Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
So there's been no corporate lobbying or bribes to Democrat congressmen over the last century?
Your bias makes you insignificant.
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quote:If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Of course, transportation (business jets); meeting places (estates used for business); business conferences (education and sales meetings); and lobbying (I'm not sure what expense category that belongs in) are legitimate business expenses, as acknowledged by the government who has allowed their deduction in the tax code.
Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
So there's been no corporate lobbying or bribes to Democrat congressmen over the last century?
Your bias makes you insignificant.
Your propensity for asserting that others have said or implied crap they have not makes you a confirmed liar.
AND!
Your far right-wing Limbaugh-like bias makes you a crude and insignificant hypocrite.
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quote:If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Of course, transportation (business jets); meeting places (estates used for business); business conferences (education and sales meetings); and lobbying (I'm not sure what expense category that belongs in) are legitimate business expenses, as acknowledged by the government who has allowed their deduction in the tax code.
Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
So there's been no corporate lobbying or bribes to Democrat congressmen over the last century?
Your bias makes you insignificant.
Your propensity for asserting that others have said or implied crap they have not makes you a confirmed liar.
AND!
Your far right-wing Limbaugh-like bias makes you a crude and insignificant hypocrite.
Oh did you mention Democrat congressmen also accept lobbist money and bribes? I must have missed that. Why would you specifically blame corruption on Republican congressmen if you weren't bias?
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quote:If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Of course, transportation (business jets); meeting places (estates used for business); business conferences (education and sales meetings); and lobbying (I'm not sure what expense category that belongs in) are legitimate business expenses, as acknowledged by the government who has allowed their deduction in the tax code.
Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
So there's been no corporate lobbying or bribes to Democrat congressmen over the last century?
Your bias makes you insignificant.
Your propensity for asserting that others have said or implied crap they have not makes you a confirmed liar.
AND!
Your far right-wing Limbaugh-like bias makes you a crude and insignificant hypocrite.
Oh did you mention Democrat congressmen also accept lobbist money and bribes? I must have missed that. Why would you specifically blame corruption on Republican congressmen if you weren't bias?
Your irrational assertions that someone said something is over done and boring not to mention dishonest.
Try thinking for a change and try not viewing everything through the color of the PARTY'S wants and desires. There is a simple and common rationality in this world that Fat rush doesn't understand or want to understand.
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Now, this is getting funny!!! Debating with bdgee is like talking to a 3 year old. Absolutely no content - just childish arguing and gibberish!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Now, this is getting funny!!! Debating with bdgee is like talking to a 3 year old. Absolutely no content - just childish arguing and gibberish!
Debating?
Ha, ha, ha, ha
I didn't even hear you clear your throat.
One must realize that, through the eyes and mind of a of a 2 year old, three years old, five years old, nine years old, 17 years old and so on according to the pattern, is all the same, way way beyond its own mental sophistication, so that it only hears things that might as well, to the limited development of its mind, be gibberish.
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quote:If you can get away with counting hugely expensive corporate jets, multiple vacation estates across the world, and absurdly enoumous expenses for so called business conferences across the world and the billions they spend on lobbying as business expenses, then you squirrel the system out of the taxes you rightly should pay.
Of course, transportation (business jets); meeting places (estates used for business); business conferences (education and sales meetings); and lobbying (I'm not sure what expense category that belongs in) are legitimate business expenses, as acknowledged by the government who has allowed their deduction in the tax code.
Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
So there's been no corporate lobbying or bribes to Democrat congressmen over the last century?
Your bias makes you insignificant.
Your propensity for asserting that others have said or implied crap they have not makes you a confirmed liar.
AND!
Your far right-wing Limbaugh-like bias makes you a crude and insignificant hypocrite.
Oh did you mention Democrat congressmen also accept lobbist money and bribes? I must have missed that. Why would you specifically blame corruption on Republican congressmen if you weren't bias?
Your irrational assertions that someone said something is over done and boring not to mention dishonest.
Try thinking for a change and try not viewing everything through the color of the PARTY'S wants and desires. There is a simple and common rationality in this world that Fat rush doesn't understand or want to understand.
Get over the hate....
Look at your post, were am I making assertions?
You made a statement: Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
What else am I suppose to read into this statement other than you feel only Republican congressmen are corrupt.
Had you stated Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Congressmen for over a century, then I would accept your statement. But because of your bias views you are discredited.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: You're really that ignorant?
I never said anything like what you claim.
Because of the absolute bias you live by, you aren't capable of recognizing the narrow mindedness or insult you spew.
You are an absolutely far right-wing party first one-track mined republican fool.
You don't offer any information, just near cut and past lies and propaganda of RNC and Fat Rush's crap.
Oh, and hate and bigotry toward anyone that doesn't do likewise.
And a bore.
You made a statement: Allowed by the government due to corporate lobbying and bribes to Republican Congressmen for over a century.
Did you or did you not make this statement?
Now you can't even own up to your wrtten statements.
Cut out all the nonsensence and fess up to the fact that you can never discuss a subject with an open mind because you have been brained washed by the DNC to protect the liberal/socialist mantra.
A bore? Only a person without the confidence to think for themselves would call another person a bore. So I'll have to give you a pass , because you have obviously stopped thinking for yourself long ago. I bet you even have DNC tatooed to your A$$ because your such a BUTT BOY for the lefty crowd.
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As we all know, bdgee (almost) never posts anything intelligent or anything that even mentions the topic at hand. His posts always call the poster a bunch of names and other nonsense. This is a total waste of computer space. I know the lefties love to conserve things and I think this wasted computer memory space would be an excellent place to start.
I propose that we number bdgee's responses and then instead of wasting all that time typing all that gibberish, bdgee could conserve time and computer memory space by just posting a single number.
Let's call his latest post Bdgee #1 (gibberish at it's best):
quote:You're really that ignorant?
I never said anything like what you claim.
Because of the absolute bias you live by, you aren't capable of recognizing the narrow mindedness or insult you spew.
You are an absolutely far right-wing party first one-track mined republican fool.
You don't offer any information, just near cut and past lies and propaganda of RNC and Fat Rush's crap.
Oh, and hate and bigotry toward anyone that doesn't do likewise.
And a bore.
After I read this quote over, does he even have a number 2? Let's see, he mentioned ignorant, spew, far right wing, party first, RNC propaganda, Fat Rush, hate, and bigotry. That's about his entire r'epertoire. LOL!
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