"MIAMI - Max Rameau delivers his sales pitch like a pro. "All tile floor!" he says during a recent showing. "And the living room, wow! It has great blinds."
But in nearly every other respect, he is unlike any real estate agent you've ever met. He is unshaven, drives a beat-up car and wears grungy cut-off sweat pants. He also breaks into the homes he shows. And his clients don't have a dime for a down payment.
Rameau is an activist who has been executing a bailout plan of his own around Miami's empty streets: He is helping homeless people illegally move into foreclosed homes."
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LMAO that is hilarious! Hey, why not? Some home just sitting on a vacant lot, you dont have anywhere to live....I would move myself in especially if there was hot water still to shower with and rinse off clothing.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: LMAO that is hilarious! Hey, why not? Some home just sitting on a vacant lot, you dont have anywhere to live....I would move myself in especially if there was hot water still to shower with and rinse off clothing.
Actually I don't find anything to laugh about here.
First, the homes are empty because people can neither afford to sell or live in the homes. Secondly that our great country has such a huge problem with people being homeless.
Contrary to views such as yours and PropertyManager's, not everyone that is down and out is in that situation due to their own lack of responsibility. I doubt that many people who have been laid off foresaw the financial crisis and the layoffs that were coming and if they did certainly didn't see their own jobs going by the way side.
Actually, if done properly, this could be a win win situation for everyone involved. Homeless people would have a home as a base to find employment in exchange for keeping the property up. Which could help the value of those properties. I mean who wants to buy a house that is unkempt and in an area that is basically deserted.
Using 90 day escrows would allow the people living in the property the opportunity to find somewhere else to live and also allow those people a chance to find employment and get back on their feet.
I see a creative way to make the best out of bad situations. It should be done legally with contracts and some sort of screening but it may be a way to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
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quote:Actually, if done properly, this could be a win win situation for everyone involved. Homeless people would have a home as a base to find employment in exchange for keeping the property up. Which could help the value of those properties. I mean who wants to buy a house that is unkempt and in an area that is basically deserted.
That is absolutely insane! Homeless people are homeless for a reason. In my experience, most of them are drug addicts and many are mentally ill (many are both). Putting them into a vacant house so that they can invite all their homeless druggie friends over for the mother of all drug parties is absolutely crazy. The house will literally be destroyed in a matter of days; all the copper will be stolen; and the property will be unmarketable at that point.
If you want to help people, stop the handouts to healthy adults and allow them to become self-sufficient. Additionally, those that are truly mentally ill should be re-institutionalized.
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PM, "your experience" is that of absolute bigotry, crude misguided insults, and unbuffered egotistical hate.
You are certainly not worthy of heaven and, with your personality's demand, are already serving time in hell. So, when you die on earth, you die completely, for there is no other place for you to serve, and humanity can be shed of the stink and shame you cast upon it, once and for all.
It will grant a better day for all the worlds.
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two blocks from my house a homeless man was squatting in a vacant house that a family purchased and was rehabbing on the weekends so they could move in. the homeless man accidentally burned it to the ground making a fire INSIDE the house to keep warm. the family took a huge loss and to this day the lot is empty and overgrown.
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I can't say this sounds like a good idea. In the story the woman moved in and then the property owner changed the locks and removed her belongings. This shows the owner doesn't want squatters in the house and has made efforts to keep them out. What happens when the property owner shows up again but this time she's in the house? There could be a confrontation where someone gets hurt. Is the property owner going to be held responsible if someone gets hurt in or on the property? If the city knows and ignores this situation it should be held liable for any problems that this situation causes. Maybe this advocates group should find the owner and make rental arraigments rather than encourage breaking laws.
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I agree with PM on this one. Though not as rabidly of course. Just handing an empty home over to a couple gives no sense of ownership. There will be no driving factor to spend money to keep it maintained.
This is not a good thing. But, I also see it as inevitable that it would happen with or without someone actively promoting such activity.
They may strip the copper but it won't get them that much anymore. Copper prices have dropped quite a bit lately along with most other metals. To the point that legitimate recyclers are having trouble meeting costs.
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quote:Sandy officer recalls attack from transient November 26th, 2008 * 10:06pm By Sandra Yi Police in Sandy are still looking for a transient who beat a code enforcement officer. That officer now is out of the hospital and is talking about what happened.
Rob Durfee has head, shoulder and elbow injuries after that attack. He thinks if it wasn't for his cell phone, his injuries could have been worse.
"You're used to, as a code enforcement officer, people yelling at you, but definitely not physically assaulting you," Dufree said.
A routine follow-up inspection on Tuesday at a foreclosed home near 9800 South and 400 East in Sandy ended with Durfee in the hospital. "It was unprovoked, and there was no need for it," he said.
Durfee went to the house yesterday morning to make sure the owner boarded a broken window. A transient was inside the house.
"I told him that I was Sandy City Code Enforcement and that he couldn't be on the property," Dufree explained.
As he called police to escort the man off the property, the man jumped out the window and punched Durfee in the face.
"Once he hit me, and hit me the second time and knocked me down, then it was just complete terror. I wasn't sure what was going to happen," Dufree said.
As Durfee tried to get back to his truck, the man grabbed a 2-by-4 laying on the ground and continued his attack.
"I was screaming at the top of my lungs, 'Help me! Help me!'" Dufree said.
Durfee managed to tell dispatch the address before the man threw his cell phone and ran off. Police are still looking for the man, a transient who Durfee thinks he's seen before walking along State Street.
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During the Great depression, not all, but most people still had nearby and close family on the farm.
So, there was a place to end up when you lost your home and there was food, maybe not always the best or any choices, but food to eat from the crops and garden that almost everyone kept in those days.
Today, MOST of us have no family left on a farm, nearby or a continent away. It may get real nasty and you or your son or daughter could be that homeless person without an empty house to occupy.
We need to be thinking of ways to keep people that have no option fit and able to even hope for relief.
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: PM, "your experience" is that of absolute bigotry, crude misguided insults, and unbuffered egotistical hate.
You are certainly not worthy of heaven and, with your personality's demand, are already serving time in hell. So, when you die on earth, you die completely, for there is no other place for you to serve, and humanity can be shed of the stink and shame you cast upon it, once and for all.
It will grant a better day for all the worlds.
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quote:"I told him that I was Sandy City Code Enforcement and that he couldn't be on the property," Dufree explained.
As he called police to escort the man off the property, the man jumped out the window and punched Durfee in the face.
"Once he hit me, and hit me the second time and knocked me down, then it was just complete terror. I wasn't sure what was going to happen," Dufree said.
As Durfee tried to get back to his truck, the man grabbed a 2-by-4 laying on the ground and continued his attack.
"I was screaming at the top of my lungs, 'Help me! Help me!'" Dufree said.
...and that's why you should NEVER go into an abandoned property or deal with riff-raff unless you're carrying a handgun! This guy was lucky that this loser didn't kill him.
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This is why PM we need conceal and carry laws. The guy was screaming help me help me...heck instead of using energy to scream help he should have swung with all his might and held his ground like a man regardless if the attacker is bigger or not.
Certain posters here will scold me as usual. Saying I am a bigot for wanting to fight someone who is bigger than me and im a horrible person.
However, that person is the kind you find being slayed on their knees instead of fighting on their feet.
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quote:Actually, if done properly, this could be a win win situation for everyone involved. Homeless people would have a home as a base to find employment in exchange for keeping the property up. Which could help the value of those properties. I mean who wants to buy a house that is unkempt and in an area that is basically deserted.
That is absolutely insane! Homeless people are homeless for a reason. In my experience, most of them are drug addicts and many are mentally ill (many are both). Putting them into a vacant house so that they can invite all their homeless druggie friends over for the mother of all drug parties is absolutely crazy. The house will literally be destroyed in a matter of days; all the copper will be stolen; and the property will be unmarketable at that point.
If you want to help people, stop the handouts to healthy adults and allow them to become self-sufficient. Additionally, those that are truly mentally ill should be re-institutionalized.
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Homeless people are homeless for a reason. In my experience, most of them are drug addicts and many are mentally ill (many are both).
There you go again. Everyday people are losing their jobs, through no fault of their own. I never stated that all homeless people should be considered. I, instead, stated that if done properly and legally, it could help in certain circumstances.
Insanity is your continued ranting and raving that anyone who has fallen on hard times is riff raff. Some homeless are riff raff but others are people who lost jobs due to the recessionary period we are going through hard times.
"The unemployment rate rose by 0.4 percentage point to 6.5 percent in October, and the number of unemployed persons increased by 603,000 to 10.1 million. Over the past 12 months, the number of unemployed persons has increased by 2.8 mil- lion, and the unemployment rate has risen by 1.7 percentage points. (See table A-1.)"
quote:There you go again. Everyday people are losing their jobs, through no fault of their own.
Yes, everyday people are losing their jobs, but they will not be homeless. Almost all of them will get unemployment benefits for at least the next 26 weeks. Some of them could indeed lose their houses to foreclosure, but they will find other jobs, even if they are lower paying and at least be able to rent a house or apartment. Many others will move in with relatives.
Do you know of a single person who has lost their job and become homeless? I do not, nor have I seen anyone that is homeless that is not either a drug addict or mentally ill (and I deal with these people EVERY DAY). The drug addicts should be thrown in jail and the mentally ill should be institutionalized so that they can be properly cared for. Doing those two things would almost completely wipe out homelessness in the US.
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"Do you know of a single person who has lost their job and become homeless?"
Yes
"I do not, nor have I seen anyone that is homeless that is not either a drug addict or mentally ill (and I deal with these people EVERY DAY).
Perhaps you are blind? More likely, your extreme bigotry and lack of any real knowledge prevents you from seeing much of anything that is real or rational where humanity is concerned.
You are a complete fool if you actually believe you deal with "these people" (as in all of them or even some representative portion of them). They are, for whatever reason, disadvantaged, not dumb or stupid or insane. Why would any that have any other option have anything to do with the likes of you, when it is so bluntly obvious that you hate them irrationally and are only out to use them to suck from the government tit.
"The drug addicts should be thrown in jail and the mentally ill should be institutionalized so that they can be properly cared for."
Uh huh..... And just like with the addicts, you want to be the one deciding what "properly cared for" is to mean. You are nothing but a mean self centered bigoted jerk, out to glorify and justify your vulgar assaults on the human race, in order to bring the level of acceptable down to the decadence of your immorality. That's just one of the reasons we don't allow you and your kind to make those kind of decisions.
One easy bit of data that proves you should not be allowed such decisions is the fact that you crudely differentiates between addicts and the mentally ill. Addiction is a mental problem, a condition that skews the mental ability. I needs to be treated, cured, handled, not punished.
"Doing those two things would almost completely wipe out homelessness in the US."
With a normal mind and actual human being, it would be appropriate to ask for an accounting of and details for the execution of exactly how your scheme "would almost completely wipe out homelessness in the US".
Are you too ignorant and uneducated to realize that that scheme you champion is was what failed in England and what writings of Charles Dickens were all about? It simply doesn't work, not in England and not here.
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quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: This is why PM we need conceal and carry laws. The guy was screaming help me help me...heck instead of using energy to scream help he should have swung with all his might and held his ground like a man regardless if the attacker is bigger or not.
Certain posters here will scold me as usual. Saying I am a bigot for wanting to fight someone who is bigger than me and im a horrible person.
However, that person is the kind you find being slayed on their knees instead of fighting on their feet.
scold you? if they are bigger than you then just hit low, it actually works better
there is no such thing as a fair fight.
as for mentally ill people? we used to have facilities for them. Ronald Reagan turned them out on the streets. so much for "conservative" values.
as for the homeless in general? Veterans have teh highest rate of homelessness of any male group.
Approximately 40% of homeless men are veterans, although veterans comprise only 34% of the general adult male population. The National Coalition for Homeless Veterans estimates that on any given night, 200,000 veterans are homeless, and 400,000 veterans will experience homelessness during the course of a year (National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, 2006). 97% of those homeless veterans will be male (Department of Veterans Affairs, 2008). The National Survey of Homeless Assistance Providers and Clients reports that veterans account for 23% of all homeless people in America (U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness and the Urban Institute, 1999).
quote:Originally posted by CashCowMoo: This is why PM we need conceal and carry laws. The guy was screaming help me help me...heck instead of using energy to scream help he should have swung with all his might and held his ground like a man regardless if the attacker is bigger or not.
However, that person is the kind you find being slayed on their knees instead of fighting on their feet.
i agree. and if you look at the picture of the victim, he is quite a large character, i cant believe he didnt fight back. these code enforcement "officers" need a firearm IMO.
oh BTW utah is one of the better states for concealed carry.
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Once, In Texas, because it was in the State Constitution, it was illegal to carry a concealed weapon, but legal everywhere in the State to carry a gun if it was not concealed (court rooms and such excepted).
Then the gun lobbies, with the NRA and the republican party leading the way, launched a campaign and eventually managed to get an amendment to allow concealed handguns, provided a person had been granted a permit, passed safety considerations, etc. and it was not in certain places
Just recently, we hear that those same forces that managed to get the "concealed carry" passed into law want to get "open carry" passed.
Some damned fools that only once needed to be of majority to openly carry a loaded pistol (or rifle or shotgun) anywhere they went in Texas screwed the pooch and now are wanting what they had by constitutional right before they jumped on the idiotic right-wing bandwagon to get that "concealed carry".
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quote:Approximately 40% of homeless men are veterans, although veterans comprise only 34% of the general adult male population. The National Coalition for Homeless Veterans estimates that on any given night, 200,000 veterans are homeless, and 400,000 veterans will experience homelessness during the course of a year (National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, 2006).
Part of the problem in this homelessness discussion is the definition of "homeless". Part of the definition by the federal government is:
§11302. General definition of homeless individual (a) In general For purposes of this chapter, the term “homeless” or “homeless individual or homeless person” includes— an individual who lacks a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence;
This is a big joke intended to classify as many people as homeless as possible. Many people lack a "fixed, regular" place to live and yet are not on the street. They live with friends and family, and often move from place to place.
It is true that there are many homeless veterans on the streets and from my experience most of them are druggies. This isn't the military's fault or society's fault - it is the fault of the veteran who chooses to take drugs. I know that you socialists can't accept that anyone is responsible for their own actions, but they are! The VA does have an inpatient drug rehab program, but as with any rehab program the patient needs to want help. I personally arranged to get one of my veteran tenants into the program and drove him to the VA facility. It didn't help. Less than 2 weeks into the month-long program, he left the program and returned to my apartment to deal drugs. I evicted him. The lesson - you can't help someone that doesn't want help!
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quote:Approximately 40% of homeless men are veterans, although veterans comprise only 34% of the general adult male population. The National Coalition for Homeless Veterans estimates that on any given night, 200,000 veterans are homeless, and 400,000 veterans will experience homelessness during the course of a year (National Coalition for Homeless Veterans, 2006).
Part of the problem in this homelessness discussion is the definition of "homeless". Part of the definition by the federal government is:
§11302. General definition of homeless individual (a) In general For purposes of this chapter, the term “homeless” or “homeless individual or homeless person” includes— an individual who lacks a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence;
This is a big joke intended to classify as many people as homeless as possible. Many people lack a "fixed, regular" place to live and yet are not on the street. They live with friends and family, and often move from place to place.
It is true that there are many homeless veterans on the streets and from my experience most of them are druggies. This isn't the military's fault or society's fault - it is the fault of the veteran who chooses to take drugs. I know that you socialists can't accept that anyone is responsible for their own actions, but they are! The VA does have an inpatient drug rehab program, but as with any rehab program the patient needs to want help. I personally arranged to get one of my veteran tenants into the program and drove him to the VA facility. It didn't help. Less than 2 weeks into the month-long program, he left the program and returned to my apartment to deal drugs. I evicted him. The lesson - you can't help someone that doesn't want help!
"....from my experience most of them are druggies."
Your experience is both willfully illusionary and emotionally myopic.
"The lesson - you can't help someone that doesn't want help!"
Haven't you intentionally and knowingly overstated the facts, in order to shift any blame from you and yours so you can dodge responsibility? Isn't the truth more like: it is difficult if not improbable that you could help someone that isn't emotionally capable of recognizing a need for help?
First something needs to be done to help them along toward understanding there is a need for accepting that they have a problem that needs to be addressed. Also, they must accurately understand what the problem is before they can be expected to offer any effort toward any correction of it.
Hence, having pointed to a path of addressing an camouflaged barrier that may be restricting a person from correcting their own psychological difficulties within society, I now direct attention specifically to those you foster and present.
I know you don't want to think you have a problem. That's part and parcel to that far right-wing mantra that is the extent of your substances. In order to maintain your imaginary facade of all knowing arrogance, you must assume, what appears to you to be a view of your image as a stance of emotional security, but, which is, actually, you have a serious mental block against needing anything that isn't spoon fed via extreme far right-wing sources of pablumized hate and blame politics.
It is time you started looking at reality and either start casting your slander and crudely worded assaults at the reflection in the mirror and accept that your wailings and gnashings are your own emotional problem or you should shut the hell up.
Seriously, your's has never been enlightening data or information or worthwhile consideration, just sick cut and past far right-wing blather and unwanted hate and insult of everything that is of any value, what-so-ever, to the American way of life. No one needs that crap! Do us all a favor:
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It's called self medicating PM. I won't say that applies to 100% of em but a good chunk of em have undiagnosed mental and emotional disorders directly stemming from the stress and horror of combat. In drugs they find temporary relief.
That said...I would have made the same decision as you if I had proof the man was dealing. That's a separate issue.
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quote:It's called self medicating PM. I won't say that applies to 100% of em but a good chunk of em have undiagnosed mental and emotional disorders directly stemming from the stress and horror of combat. In drugs they find temporary relief.
I agree that a small percentage of these homeless veterans have combat related problems. However, most of them have never been in combat and are simply druggies. In either case, we're not doing them any favors by enabling them to be druggies.
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Unforunatly there always has been and always will be people unable or unwilling to take care of themselves. Even if you give them everything they still will not join the society they rely on for support. Sometimes society reaches a point where the resources needed to support these unwilling people is just not available.
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Unforunatly there always has been and always will be people unable or unwilling to take care of themselves. Even if you give them everything they still will not join the society they rely on for support. Sometimes society reaches a point where the resources needed to support these unwilling people. is just not available.
Yes, sadly you are right, but that is the group that deserves the label of what PM describe to be "a small percentage", whom he urges that we blame, criticize and ostracize....turn into social lepers of old times to satisfy his wish to claim irresponsibility.
MOST vets are not homeless and MOST vets don't ever have a need for any extraordinary form of treatment or assistance. The small percentage that do is far far to great for us to be ignoring them, though, and it is worse than shameful that we have so little appreciation of them that we cast their lot to hell and ridicule so we can claim an absolution of responsibility. Declaring those vets that need help as personally responsible for their plait is childish and is selfish and does nothing toward finding a solution to a proven problem.
Neither does saying we can't afford to help them,
WE CAN"T AFFORD NOT TO,
if we intend to be the United States of America the Founders envisioned and we all grew up admiring and wanting to preserve.
We can finds a way to fund that need, because we must....it's the American way.
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"Sometimes society reaches a point where the resources needed to support these unwilling people is just not available."
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I think help could be available, we just do not want to tap the sources to make it a lot more available to the homeless. I do not think we would have to rely on taxpayers to help these homeless people if we set up a better system.
As far as homeless vets and how many are combat vets? It appears from different sources it looks like somewhere in the 45-50% range.
As far as drug related problems for vets and others, did their situation lead them to drugs or did the drugs lead them to their situation?
I also feel since we have a lot of older vets involved in homelessness, medical conditions also have led them to drugs, many were given to them by doctors, vicadin is always a good starter.
The other thing that worries me about more recent vets is that there seems to be a growing number of vets that serve and end up with a general discharge, under this type of discharge there is not much obligation from the VA.
Are we not obligated to help these vets whether they served in combat or not?
If there was a real war to fight the majority of citizens would feel it is the obligation of the military to defend us!
Yet when discharged it seems to be the problem of these vets to take care of themselves.
Don't get me wrong there are some fairly good programs available, just not good enough it appears or enough available.
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"Are we not obligated to help these vets whether they served in combat or not?"
Without those non-combat troops, there is no possibility of having any combat vets......ever....anywhere.....needed or not. Those non-combat troops were essential and they served just as well.
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i hear an awful lot of "conservative" people here that don't seem to care about contractual obligations.
there is a contractual obligation to Veterans to provide them with help they seek. they cannot be forced to seek help.
the fact is that Bankruptcy is a Federally overseen breaking of contracts. if GM honestly seeks bridge LOANS from the govt/taxpayer, when they cannot get one anywhere else because of economic conditions BEYOND their contorl? you suggest bankrupcty as an option? that is breaking of a contract and goes against all concepts of free-markets or any other kind of stable marketplace.
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I agree, you never know if you are going to be a combat vet until your in and done with basic and usually advanced training, then you find out.
Even if your not a combat veteran you are still serving your country and sometimes asked to risk your life helping others in a non combat situation, which could be any serviceman at any time, pretty much on call.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: i hear an awful lot of "conservative" people here that don't seem to care about contractual obligations.
there is a contractual obligation to Veterans to provide them with help they seek. they cannot be forced to seek help.
the fact is that Bankruptcy is a Federally overseen breaking of contracts. if GM honestly seeks bridge LOANS from the govt/taxpayer, when they cannot get one anywhere else because of economic conditions BEYOND their contorl? you suggest bankrupcty as an option? that is breaking of a contract and goes against all concepts of free-markets or any other kind of stable marketplace.
Your point is a good one. Let me add another.
Whenever there is some critical decision that must be made by or for the government and you feel the need to offer your opinion on the question, should there be any possibility, openly stated or not, to couch that opinion in some form that might begin with a phrase such as "What I want is" or "It would be my personal preference", then stop and recognize that there is a very likely chance that your are offering an emotional more than a practical suggestion.
Personally, like Roger Moore, I can't honestly or intellectually feel compassion for the upper management of the auto industry and probably would enjoy some solution that would let me see them have to squirm and suffer for what they have done to our society.
However, though I might enjoy watching them roast on a fire of social indignation (and maybe far more), that isn't a solution to a damned thing, it is merely a salve for my ego and probably the egos of 95% of all of us.
So scratch that goal!
I want a SOLUTION or at least a rational attempt or approach to a solution. (Of course, I understand that "solution", in this setting, is yet to be defined.)
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I agree, you never know if you are going to be a combat vet until your in and done with basic and usually advanced training, then you find out.
Even if your not a combat veteran you are still serving your country and sometimes asked to risk your life helping others in a non combat situation, which could be any serviceman at any time, pretty much on call.
i was a non-combat gunner. i most definitely risked my like maintaining my eqpt and munitions.
even so? my contract with the military when i signed up was for lifelong VA benefits. not many understand this.
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quote:Originally posted by IWISHIHAD: I agree, you never know if you are going to be a combat vet until your in and done with basic and usually advanced training, then you find out.
Even if your not a combat veteran you are still serving your country and sometimes asked to risk your life helping others in a non combat situation, which could be any serviceman at any time, pretty much on call.
i was a non-combat gunner. i most definitely risked my like maintaining my eqpt and munitions.
even so? my contract with the military when i signed up was for lifelong VA benefits. not many understand this.
Then there were those who were ordered to do unthinkable things that they are not even allowed to talk about afterwards. Things that still haunt them to this day. I can understand the rise in PTSD since the Afghan and Iraq wars. War is Hell....of that fact I have no illusions. God bless our service men and women.
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