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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217_ pf.html

Since some liberal readers refuse anything unless from MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27989275/

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials.

The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress and outside experts, defense analysts said.

There are critics of the change, in the military and among civil liberties groups and libertarians who express concern that the new homeland emphasis threatens to strain the military and possibly undermine the Posse Comitatus Act, a 130-year-old federal law restricting the military's role in domestic law enforcement.

But the Bush administration and some in Congress have pushed for a heightened homeland military role since the middle of this decade, saying the greatest domestic threat is terrorists exploiting the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, dedicating 20,000 troops to domestic response -- a nearly sevenfold increase in five years -- "would have been extraordinary to the point of unbelievable," Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, said in remarks last month at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. But the realization that civilian authorities may be overwhelmed in a catastrophe prompted "a fundamental change in military culture," he said.

The Pentagon's plan calls for three rapid-reaction forces to be ready for emergency response by September 2011. The first 4,700-person unit, built around an active-duty combat brigade based at Fort Stewart, Ga., was available as of Oct. 1, said Gen. Victor E. Renuart Jr., commander of the U.S. Northern Command.

If funding continues, two additional teams will join nearly 80 smaller National Guard and reserve units made up of about 6,000 troops in supporting local and state officials nationwide. All would be trained to respond to a domestic chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive attack, or CBRNE event, as the military calls it.

Military preparations for a domestic weapon-of-mass-destruction attack have been underway since at least 1996, when the Marine Corps activated a 350-member chemical and biological incident response force and later based it in Indian Head, Md., a Washington suburb. Such efforts accelerated after the Sept. 11 attacks, and at the time Iraq was invaded in 2003, a Pentagon joint task force drew on 3,000 civil support personnel across the United States.

In 2005, a new Pentagon homeland defense strategy emphasized "preparing for multiple, simultaneous mass casualty incidents." National security threats were not limited to adversaries who seek to grind down U.S. combat forces abroad, McHale said, but also include those who "want to inflict such brutality on our society that we give up the fight," such as by detonating a nuclear bomb in a U.S. city.

In late 2007, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed a directive approving more than $556 million over five years to set up the three response teams, known as CBRNE Consequence Management Response Forces. Planners assume an incident could lead to thousands of casualties, more than 1 million evacuees and contamination of as many as 3,000 square miles, about the scope of damage Hurricane Katrina caused in 2005.

Last month, McHale said, authorities agreed to begin a $1.8 million pilot project funded by the Federal Emergency Management Agency through which civilian authorities in five states could tap military planners to develop disaster response plans. Hawaii, Massachusetts, South Carolina, Washington and West Virginia will each focus on a particular threat -- pandemic flu, a terrorist attack, hurricane, earthquake and catastrophic chemical release, respectively -- speeding up federal and state emergency planning begun in 2003.

Last Monday, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates ordered defense officials to review whether the military, Guard and reserves can respond adequately to domestic disasters.

Gates gave commanders 25 days to propose changes and cost estimates. He cited the work of a congressionally chartered commission, which concluded in January that the Guard and reserve forces are not ready and that they lack equipment and training.

Bert B. Tussing, director of homeland defense and security issues at the U.S. Army War College's Center for Strategic Leadership, said the new Pentagon approach "breaks the mold" by assigning an active-duty combat brigade to the Northern Command for the first time. Until now, the military required the command to rely on troops requested from other sources.

"This is a genuine recognition that this [job] isn't something that you want to have a pickup team responsible for," said Tussing, who has assessed the military's homeland security strategies.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the libertarian Cato Institute are troubled by what they consider an expansion of executive authority.

Domestic emergency deployment may be "just the first example of a series of expansions in presidential and military authority," or even an increase in domestic surveillance, said Anna Christensen of the ACLU's National Security Project. And Cato Vice President Gene Healy warned of "a creeping militarization" of homeland security.

"There's a notion that whenever there's an important problem, that the thing to do is to call in the boys in green," Healy said, "and that's at odds with our long-standing tradition of being wary of the use of standing armies to keep the peace."

McHale stressed that the response units will be subject to the act, that only 8 percent of their personnel will be responsible for security and that their duties will be to protect the force, not other law enforcement. For decades, the military has assigned larger units to respond to civil disturbances, such as during the Los Angeles riot in 1992.

U.S. forces are already under heavy strain, however. The first reaction force is built around the Army's 3rd Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Combat Team, which returned in April after 15 months in Iraq. The team includes operations, aviation and medical task forces that are to be ready to deploy at home or overseas within 48 hours, with units specializing in chemical decontamination, bomb disposal, emergency care and logistics.

The one-year domestic mission, however, does not replace the brigade's next scheduled combat deployment in 2010. The brigade may get additional time in the United States to rest and regroup, compared with other combat units, but it may also face more training and operational requirements depending on its homeland security assignments.

Renuart said the Pentagon is accounting for the strain of fighting two wars, and the need for troops to spend time with their families. "We want to make sure the parameters are right for Iraq and Afghanistan," he said. The 1st Brigade's soldiers "will have some very aggressive training, but will also be home for much of that."

Although some Pentagon leaders initially expected to build the next two response units around combat teams, they are likely to be drawn mainly from reserves and the National Guard, such as the 218th Maneuver Enhancement Brigade from South Carolina, which returned in May after more than a year in Afghanistan.

Now that Pentagon strategy gives new priority to homeland security and calls for heavier reliance on the Guard and reserves, McHale said, Washington has to figure out how to pay for it.

"It's one thing to decide upon a course of action, and it's something else to make it happen," he said. "It's time to put our money where our mouth is."

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Yes.

Isn't it wonderful how far our right wing republican Administration has brought us toward real fascism. We already have a military gestapo like force being put into service. Can a pure police state be far behind?

Sieg Heil!!!

Corporatism uber alles.

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Well bdgee I doubt Obama will do anything to stop it? Are you saying Our savior Obama will reverse this? Highly doubt it. So your argument is just old squak as usual.

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cow,

you are a sick fascist sympathizer of the worst sort.

You have no idea what Obama can, will, or won't do, as you only feed at the Fox News slop jar of hate and lies and have nothing in your narrow minded stubborn head but that bs.

We do know what the republican agenda is. we have it to overcome.

And much of that republican agenda it designed to undermine the Constitution and enable fascism to take complete control of the U.S.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
cow,

you are a sick fascist sympathizer of the worst sort.

You have no idea what Obama can, will, or won't do, as you only feed at the Fox News slop jar of hate and lies and have nothing in your narrow minded stubborn head but that bs.

We do know what the republican agenda is. we have it to overcome.

And much of that republican agenda it designed to undermine the Constitution and enable fascism to take complete control of the U.S.

Bdgee this is why nobody can take you seriously. All you do is call people names like a child, and yet you are really just a grumpy old man. When I think of you I think of that one movie called "Grumpy old Men." It is actually a good movie you should watch it if you havent.


Now back to the politics scene. It looks like Obama is already changing his positing on Iraq withdrawl. He went from telling everyone 16 months on Iraq to now probably 36 months. He is going back against all his campaign quotes he used to win the sheep over.

Obama promises the world to win an election and now we are seeing things how they will really be. Not as messiah like as the kool aid drinkers thought they would be.

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I didn't call you a name, I simply identified what you are, a far right-wing fascist sympathizer.

And, to tell the truth, I never in my wildest fit of imagination considered you informed enough to take me seriously. You are a caricature of the puppets of the hate first, right-wing, extreme that has brought our nation to its heels with your ignorance, worship of those with huge wealth, and your hate filled agenda to use the Government to force your vulgarity on the people.

You constantly claim to want less government, while insisting on passing law after law to impede the freedom of the populace and bend them to you will, particularly to force the backward sick preachings of fundamentalist religious sects, that would make us as intolerant as your counterparts withing the extreme Moslum faiths. (You are just like them and just as undesirable.)

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Bdgee you use a lot of big words to huff and puff. You use them when they are not necessary. Your agument would be "Oh I am so sorry you do not understand them Cash."

My vocaublary is very broad. However, I do not use the most sophisticated of words repeatedly in sentences to try to make myself sound smart like you do. You are so easy to see through bdgee.

Try a different approach if you want to make a point. Like PM says....everything is just gibberish from you.

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"My vocaublary is very broad."

Suuuuuuuuuurrrrrreee it issssssss.......

You and PM are birds of a feather.

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Obama will not only not do anything? he'll facilitate it, just as the Clintons would have.

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The best way to not spend money???

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The filthy pigs are on there way to fascism well I am at my golden years at least I had a long taste of freedom.

To bad for the young

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Well bdgee I doubt Obama will do anything to stop it? Are you saying Our savior Obama will reverse this? Highly doubt it. So your argument is just old squak as usual.

Ironic, that you can find a way to blame Obama, who isn't even in office yet, for something done under the Bush presidency. Not really since your agenda is plain to see.

Calling Obama the Savior and Messiah is of course the far Right Wing agenda. I have yet to see anyone other than those who ascribe to the Far Right use those terms except for Farrakhan, who doesn't speak for all that voted for Obama.

For most of us that did vote for Obama, IMO, we voted for him because we thought he was the better candidate and provided the best chance of change. Not that he was blessed of walked on water, just that he was intelligent and showed the ability to choose the right people that might enable him to do a job.

As far as campaign promises? I really don't remember any promises, I do remember him stating what his vision was. The main criteria, at least for me, for a leader is that they are able to adapt to situations. Anyone who can not adapt to situations as they present themselves is not a leader. All we have to do is look at what 8 yrs of Bush not adapting has done to this country has accomplished.

I don't think that Obama or anyone else could turn this country around in 4 yrs. I'll be satisfied if he is able to lay a pragmatic foundation to turn things around. This is just too big a mess to turn around in a short span of time.

So far, I like his thought process in picking the people he is surrounding himself with, whether that translates into progress is yet to be seen. Only time will tell.

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Cow, like all the far right-wing extremist, only understands hate and ridicule and thinks every question only has the most superficial answers.

They expect, as they have always done and always will, that people that are not far right-wingers must be equally enamored with the same kind of simple minded approach as they are and so, not being glued into the far right-wing answers to complicated questions, right-wingers assume those not of the right-wing must, via the simple minded excuse for logic used by the right-wing, ascribe to the exact opposite of their right-wing agenda.

Thus, they attack Obama with mis-quotes of "campaign promises" never uttered and assignments of title not deserved or wanted,

I, for one, never heard Obama EVER say that "Change" demanded that no person that ever served under Clinton would serve under him or make any kind of promise what persons or types of persons he might appoint to whatever position and I challenge any right-winger to supply evidence that isn't some lie fostered by the vulgar hate filled champions of right-wing republican propaganda and slander.

cow, you are a right-wing propagandist dream with your immature sick "cut and past" mentality, doing his bidding with absolutely no thought process involved.

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i wonder how long it will take before you guys realize that "right wing" or "left wing" is all part of the same filthy bird that is taking a Sh*# on our constitution.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Yes.

Isn't it wonderful how far our right wing republican Administration has brought us toward real fascism. We already have a military gestapo like force being put into service. Can a pure police state be far behind?

Sieg Heil!!!

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I take it you don't like the sounds of this deployment.

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I need to understand more as to what they mean by deployment. Will they be staying on bases unless a catastrophe strikes?

To be honest? From the standpoint taken by many that another terrorist attack is inevitable this is a very logical next step.

I don't know that it is necessary but...I don't know that it isn't either. I reserve my judgment until I see if it is actually implemented as stated above.

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quote:
Originally posted by turbokid:
i wonder how long it will take before you guys realize that "right wing" or "left wing" is all part of the same filthy bird that is taking a Sh*# on our constitution.

I figured that out quite a while back...it never ceases to amaze me that the majority of Americans still "believe" that one side or the other is looking out for them...


The results are always the SAME...

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The results are always the SAME...

back when Bush Sr was in office? i was shocked when he invaded a foreign country and kidnapped their leader.

weren't the democrats in charge of Congress then? i didn't hear a peep out of them.

the part that burns me is how many people on both sides overlook the problems on their "side" and or critisize the other side for doing something they would cheer abuot if their people did it.

Dubya is the perfect example. everybody is screaming about socialism contrived by him.

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Oh Babylon, when will you fall?

My question is what city is Babylon?

NYC or Dubai?

NYC can be destroyed in an hour by a nuclear attack, and much of Dubai is on the sand, which could be cleared out by a few psunami's.

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Revelation+18& version1=47

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Looks like a tsunami is out, as fire will bring down Babylon the great.

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what i find strange is they dont need these kinds of laws, there is language on the books already that says in the event of a national emergency CONGRESS can approve the actions of military folks inside the US.
what it seems like they are doing is trying to circument congress from the equation so the president can activate troops at his discretion.

what other reason could there be? in the event of a major disaster/ nuclear attack congress would vote for the help from the military if they deemed it necessary.

my history is rusty but isnt this the kind of power dictators try to get?

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18 U.S.C. § 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

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10 U.S.C. § 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel
The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

its all there, something doesnt feel right.

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its all there, something doesnt feel right.

To me, it feels like they dun know sump'm.

I guess wasting a few days waiting for Congress to approve domestic military aid will result in more casualties as the result of a nuclear blast???

Not too sure that any casualties will be prevented by changin the law if an event of this scale occurs.

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quote:
Originally posted by Peaser:
its all there, something doesnt feel right.

To me, it feels like they dun know sump'm.

I guess wasting a few days waiting for Congress to approve domestic military aid will result in more casualties as the result of a nuclear blast???

Not too sure that any casualties will be prevented by changin the law if an event of this scale occurs.

exactly, thats why these laws are suspect, do they believe that congress will block the use of troops to aid in a huge disaster like that?

there seems to be only one reason for this and i dont even wanna say it.. [Smile]

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Meltdown weakens NYC as global financial capital

http://www.rr.com/view/content/story.cfm?storyid=6348481&newsgroup=9000&view=HOM E&page=1

In 2006, Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Sen. Charles Schumer warned that New York risked being overtaken and they blamed what they said was a burdensome regulatory atmosphere.

So Schumer was for de-regulation and less transparency on Wall St?? Or was this a rant against Spitzer for prosecuting the big whigs?

Either way, if NYC can survive the next 10 or so years without a nuclear attack, it may be out of the woods as far as Babylon is concerned, in our lifetime anyhow. I wonder which city will obtain the title as the "Financial Capital of the World" going forward?

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Dubai possibly ---
- thanks to our consumption of mideast oil - but they used the oil money and diversified...

I think there be many financial hubs around the world ---

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quote:
i wonder how long it will take before you guys realize that "right wing" or "left wing" is all part of the same filthy bird that is taking a Sh*# on our constitution.
Birds of a feather? It depends on the "wing" as to which part of the constitution gets Sh*# on but either way the Sh*# keeps falling.

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they argue in public and drink out of the same bottle in private [Big Grin]

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Just like the public defender and district attourney offices.

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Scary stuff here:

http://www.rr.com/view/content/story.cfm?storyId=6413101&view=HOME&newsgroup=900 0&sSect=HOM_1

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Obamabots! Transform! LMAO that is a good one!

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