quote:Originally posted by Lockman: So you think the "I'd do her" and "she's an idiot" aren't degrading?
i think you'll find i posted the same stuff about Bush. as for i'd do her? i don't aprove, and i think i posted as much... all men are dogs... woof. some of us don't bark as much as others
furthermore? i offered some pretty clear evidence dontcha think?
i was told i was unpatriotic for a couple years before Katrina hit....
then people began to understand that i had just sifted the clues...
and? when the war vote went down? my wife and i were sitting there thinking the only way Hillary would have voted the way she did was if she had seen some good intel too...
fact is? she never even bothered to find the evidence.. she had staffers read the NIE and give her a synopsis...
i am more than willing to admit i'm not unbiased toward the Clintons, but i have my reasons.
the most important being that i think thye are corrupted. Palin ans McCain? not corrupted. i would have no problem voting for McCain had he picked a woman with some real experience who was not picked simply to please Evangelicals.
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here's my problem with calling Obama a socialist.
first off? if you listen carefully to the speeches that Palin and McCain made? they never called him one themselves (that i heard)... they quoted Joe the plumber directly over and over.. now, Joe he's a plumber, not an economist.
i absolutely agree that we as COUNTRY have moved toward socialism, and we've done it in a criminal way (IMO!).
we have socialised risk (loss) and privatised profit.
do i really want to pay more taxes, which is very likely before Obama leaves office? NO!
but the money has already been spent. and i ask everyone that calls Obama's "bottom up" "socialist type" of plan how different that is from Bush "top down socialist" type of plan...
it's funny that the biggest complainer about socialism here just bragged and taunted US about taking grants and liking socialism..
in my business (art) there are probably more grants available as a percentage of the total income collected in a feild than any other...
the only grant monies i've ever collected were from prize money in competitions...
i've never filled out a grant application in my life, and alot of people in my feild think that's wierd...
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Good job, glass. Sadly I've filled out and written millions of bucks worth of grant applications (won a heap of them too). Once upon a time I was paid to do exactly that. I did it to put beans in kids plates, but I don't like it and never enjoyed it.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: here's my problem with calling Obama a socialist.
first off? if you listen carefully to the speeches that Palin and McCain made? they never called him one themselves (that i heard)... they quoted Joe the plumber directly over and over.. now, Joe he's a plumber, not an economist.
i absolutely agree that we as COUNTRY have moved toward socialism, and we've done it in a criminal way (IMO!).
we have socialised risk (loss) and privatised profit.
do i really want to pay more taxes, which is very likely before Obama leaves office? NO!
but the money has already been spent. and i ask everyone that calls Obama's "bottom up" "socialist type" of plan how different that is from Bush "top down socialist" type of plan...
it's funny that the biggest complainer about socialism here just bragged and taunted US about taking grants and liking socialism..
in my business (art) there are probably more grants available as a percentage of the total income collected in a feild than any other...
the only grant monies i've ever collected were from prize money in competitions...
i've never filled out a grant application in my life, and alot of people in my feild think that's wierd...
It's not who or what joe the plumber is. A question was asked and the Presidential candidate answered it without a script or advisors input. The result was he answered in a way that would lead one to believe he has socialistic views. To over tax a person for excelling in their chosen profession and "spread around the money" sure smells of socialism. How far he and a tax and spend congress will get is anyone's guess.
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It doesn't matter if it was scripted or not Lockman...the point was Joes was lying through his teeth about everything....so he loses all credibility.
If someone like Joe lies like that...its to put a certain spin on a statement and try to change the meaning of what obama said...other wise there would be no need to lie about being a plumber, lie about buying a business, and lie about how much the business actually makes.....
He had to lie to try to convince people of a lie...and that is that Obama is a socialist!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Okay Look....
It doesn't matter if it was scripted or not Lockman...the point was Joes was lying through his teeth about everything....so he loses all credibility.
If someone like Joe lies like that...its to put a certain spin on a statement and try to change the meaning of what obama said...other wise there would be no need to lie about being a plumber, lie about buying a business, and lie about how much the business actually makes.....
He had to lie to try to convince people of a lie...and that is that Obama is a socialist!!!!
Did someone other than Obama answer the question?
If a little old lady asked the same question and Obama answered in the same way, it would be said he answered the question in a socialistic manner.
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Okay Look....
It doesn't matter if it was scripted or not Lockman...the point was Joes was lying through his teeth about everything....so he loses all credibility.
If someone like Joe lies like that...its to put a certain spin on a statement and try to change the meaning of what obama said...other wise there would be no need to lie about being a plumber, lie about buying a business, and lie about how much the business actually makes.....
He had to lie to try to convince people of a lie...and that is that Obama is a socialist!!!!
Did someone other than Obama answer the question?
If a little old lady asked the same question and Obama answered in the same way, it would be said he answered the question in a socialistic manner.
Why would a little old lady be buying a plumbing business????
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quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Okay Look....
It doesn't matter if it was scripted or not Lockman...the point was Joes was lying through his teeth about everything....so he loses all credibility.
If someone like Joe lies like that...its to put a certain spin on a statement and try to change the meaning of what obama said...other wise there would be no need to lie about being a plumber, lie about buying a business, and lie about how much the business actually makes.....
He had to lie to try to convince people of a lie...and that is that Obama is a socialist!!!!
Did someone other than Obama answer the question?
If a little old lady asked the same question and Obama answered in the same way, it would be said he answered the question in a socialistic manner.
Why would a little old lady be buying a plumbing business????
Just can't deal with the idea you've voted for a socialist. I understand I'd feel the same way.
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Bro...keep reading the title of the thread.."Palin is an Idiot"
That's right...who in there right mind would vote for anyone that chooses Palin as VP?????
My lord, the same people that voted for bush twice are the same idiots that will vote for Mcain...at least some of the Idiots have defied the odds and overcame there geniticly low intelligence...and some how managed to switch to Obama....
Lockman if you're a Mcain supporter...Im sorry, but there's nothing you can do about you genictly given intelligence....mabey you too can over come you genictly inferior intelligence and vote for Obama!
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Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.
Obama made the remark, caught on camera, after fielding some tough questions from the plumber Sunday in Ohio, where the Democratic candidate canvassed neighborhoods and encouraged residents to vote early.
"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Obama's remarks drew fresh criticism on the ****osphere that the Illinois senator favors a breed of wealth redistribution -- as well as a rebuke from the McCain campaign.
"If Barack Obama's goal as President is to 'spread the wealth around,' perhaps his unconditional meetings with Hugo Chavez, Raul Castro, and Kim Jong-Il aren't so crazy -- if nothing else they can advise an Obama administration on economic policy," McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb said in a written statement to FOXNews.com. "In contrast, John McCain's goal as president will be to let the American people prosper unburdened by government and ever higher taxes."
Obama frequently rails against what he calls a Republican concept that tax breaks for the wealthy will somehow "trickle down" to middle-class Americans.
Obama says he will not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year.
However, McCain's aides and supporters argue that Obama wrongly wants to raise taxes on businesses in a time of economic distress.
Both candidates spent Monday discussing how they would resurrect the ailing economy. McCain again pointed to his plan to buy up cumbersome mortgages from homeowners and renegotiate them. Obama unveiled what he called an economic rescue plan for the middle class, which included a 90-day moratorium on foreclosures.
you'll note the lies about Joe the Plumber (i think he's the same guy as Joe-six-pack) already discussed...
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
note that Obama is not saying he's going to do what Palin did with the oil co's...
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The main ammunition in the war was a lengthening list of allegations against Palin: that she thought Africa was a country; that she failed to inform the campaign about a scheduled call with Nicolas Sarkozy which turned out to be a prank; that she refused to undergo coaching prior to her disastrous interviews with CBS anchor Katie Couric; that she couldn't name the three countries in the North America Free Trade Agreement; and that the party had spent up to $70,000 (£45,000) on "wardrobe items" for Palin and "luxury goods" for her husband, in addition to the $150,000 already reported. (Some of the claims were revealed by Fox, hence the boycott.)
The New York Times reported that when Palin met McCain in Phoenix on Tuesday night, she held the text of a speech she planned to deliver, in defiance of campaign convention, and had to be overruled.
The sniping at Palin has provoked a backlash. One influential website,
RedState.com, announced Operation Leper, designed to blacklist campaign staffers believed to be responsible. "We intend to constantly remind the base about these people, monitor who they are working for, and, when 2012 rolls around, see which candidates hire them," it explained.
There was speculation that the culprits may be former aides to Mitt Romney, positioning their hero for a future presidential run.
Rush Limbaugh, behemoth of rightwing radio, took to the airwaves to declare war on two enemies: Barack Obama and the Republican party. ****gers at FreeRepublic.com, an internet hub for conservatives, announced a boycott of Fox News and John McCain's aides fell over one another to leak embarrassing details about the campaign to the press.
Liberals, indulging in what the writer Andrew Sullivan termed "Palinfreude", were presented with a smorgasbord, ranging from the tale of how McCain's pro-Palin foreign policy adviser had his Blackberry confiscated in the closing days of the race, to how the party had paid for Todd Palin's silk boxer shorts.
The fighting consuming the McCain and Palin camps threatened to derail broader efforts to overhaul the Republican party after Tuesday's decisive defeat, for which some insiders blamed Sarah Palin. Veterans of the right gathered in the Shenandoah Valley, Virginia, on Thursday for a summit on the movement's future, but even as they did so, the blame went on.
"Ladies and gentlemen, it is worse than I thought," Limbaugh told listeners. "What the Republican party, led by disgruntled and failed McCain staffers, is trying to do to Sarah Palin, is unconscionable ... There are country-club, blue-blood ... Republicans who want nothing to do with a firebrand conservative [who] can fire up people." He added: "We're going to be taking on two things here [over] the next four years: Obama, and our own party establishment."
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McCain's pro-Palin foreign policy adviser had his Blackberry confiscated in the closing days of the race
this guy:
November 6, 2008 McCain aide disputes sources, denies firing Posted: 12:30 PM ET
From CNN Correspondent Dana Bash
(CNN) — McCain’s presidential bid has ended, but the fireworks from inside his former campaign continue to make news: evidence is mounting that senior adviser Randy Scheunemann wasn’t fired, as several internal sources had suggested, but the target of a deliberate whispering campaign.
Scheunemann himself said sources who said he had been dismissed were lying.
"I was not fired,” he said Thursday. “Anybody who says so is either lying or delusional and is certainly a whack job."
Earlier, Scheunemann told CNN he was "not fired and never [have] been fired."
Some senior campaign officials blame Scheunemann specifically for stories about the way Wallace and chief campaign strategist Steve Schmidt mishandled Palin's rollout — stories that the campaign says threw them off message in the critical final weeks of the campaign. "He was positioning himself with Palin at the expense of John McCain's campaign message," said a McCain aide, one of three senior aides who told CNN that Scheunemann had been fired from the campaign.
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Almost every one of the people dubya appointed to serve in international positions had been closely involved in foreign affairs in the Reagan anadministration and almost every one of them was caught up in the Iran Contra fiasco. Bush senior covered up for and pardoned a big chunk of the republican party to keep them out of jail and stopping the enormous scandal that would have sunk that party back them. Most of dubya's administration belonged in jail in the first place.
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